Johnny Brananas
2009-09-12 19:30:40 UTC
About a year ago, I posted the following somewhat whimsical piece
(slightly redacted):
This was a bit of a "fun fantasy" for me, based solely and simply on
my finding a married couple named Edward and Judith Ward (the names of
two of my ancestors) in approximately the same time and place --Essex/
Suffolk in the late 1500s / early 1600s. I should note, however, that
the line is (I think) pretty well-proved down to Judith Lukin, wife of
Edward Ward. To save time, I will note that the beginning of the line
is the same as that for immigrant Edmond Hawes, from William the Lion
down to
Beatrice Shirley who m. John Brome, Esq., of Baddesley Clinton, co.
Warwick
Isabel Brome m. (2) John Denton, gent., of Appleton, Berkshire
Thomas Denton of Caversfield, Oxfordshire m. Jane Webbe
Isabel Denton m. (1) William ap Walter, gent., of Roxwell, Essex [she
married (2) Edward Grenville of Wooton Underwood, co. Bucks]
Thomasine Walter married 29 June 1559 Mashbury, Essex (extracted IGI
batch M047461), to William Lukin, of Mashbury, who d. by Feb. 1576
[Thomasine (Walter) Lukin m. (2) Edmond Rokewood]
Judith Lukin m. Edward Ward, d. ca. 1621
Mary Ward m. 1619 Capt. John Cutting of New England
Sources:
http://books.google.com/books?id=f6wKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA378&dq=denton+caversfield&lr=#PPA229,M1
http://books.google.com/books?id=hqwKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA310&dq=Lucken+walter&lr=
[This Essex Visitation shows Isabel Denton actually married Edward
Grenville, not GREVILLE, as claimed in the Oxfordshire Visitations; I
strongly suspect the order of her marriages has been reversed in this
Visitation, as Edward Grenville's will is dated March 1536. She was
probably married to Grenville first and Luckyn second.]
http://books.google.com/books?id=8-0KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA673&dq=underwood+grenville+denton&lr=
http://books.google.com/books?id=hqwKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA238&dq=%22abraham+carrington%22+maldon&lr=
http://books.google.com/books?id=Uu0KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA22&dq=edward+warde+havering+essex&lr=#v=onepage&q=edward%20warde%20havering%20essex&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Xp_8n5A03L8C&pg=PA314&dq=%22edward+warde%22+judith&lr=#v=onepage&q=%22edward%20warde%22%20judith&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Fgg8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA33&dq=%22edward+ward%22+hosier&lr=#v=onepage&q=%22edward%20ward%22%20hosier&f=false
[Aspinwall entry showing association of Edward Ward, hosier, of
Ipswich, England, with New England people; remember that his likely
brother-in-law, John Cutting, was a ship's captain to New England.]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
Of course, in the meantime, Leslie Mahler's excellent article has
appeared: "The English Origin of Nathaniel1 Ward of Hartford,
Connecticut, and Hadley, Massachusetts, Mary1 (Ward) Cutting of
Newbury, Massachusetts, Rebecca1 (Ward) Allen of Newbury, and Their
Nephew William1 Markham of Hadley: A Previously Unnoticed Kinship
Group," _TAG_, 83 (2008):13-18. Leslie showed that all these people
were children of Edward Ward of Little Wratting (next to Haverill),
Suffolk, by his wife Judith ____, noting that no record shows Judith's
maiden identity.
It's quite high on my "wish list" to have someone check the manuscript
of the 1612 Essex Visitation for Edward Ward "of Haveringe" who
married Judith Lukyn to see if "Haveringe" could possibly be actually
"Haverill."
It's important to remember that Judith Lukyn's mother Thomasine was
married in Feb. 1576/7 to Edmond Ruckwood per this license:
http://books.google.com/books?id=i6wKAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA74&dq=%22thomasine+lukyn%22&lr=#v=onepage&q=%22thomasine%20lukyn%22&f=false
Then, working back on another pedigree, we see Thomasine Walter's
mother was "Isabell, daugh. to Thomas Denton of Battesfild in com
Oxford (? Caversfield co. Bucks), she after mar. to Edward Greenfilde
[Grenville] of Wootton Underwood in com. Buckingham, esqueir." By her
Walter marriage, Isabel had four children, including Thomasine, wife
of Luken and Rookwood, and a daughter Anne, married to Thomas Denton
of Shropshire.
http://books.google.com/books?id=hqwKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA310&dq=%22william+ap+walter&lr=#v=onepage&q=%22william%20ap%20walter&f=false
On a whim, I ordered the 28 October 1585 will of "Edwarde Grenevile of
Wotton Underwood in the countye of Buck, gentleman" (PROB 11/69). It
is most interesting! It says, among other things, "Item I bequeathe
unto the childrenn of my brother Rockwood and the childrenn of my
brother Luckin fiftie poundes to be equally distributed amongest
them." It also mentions "my sister Anne Denton" and a couple members
of the Walter family.
So this line is easily provable down to Judith Lukyn, who was the wife
of AN Edward Ward, and -could- be the wife of "our" Edward Ward of
Haverill/ Wratting.
The reason the Lukyns might have thought of Edward Ward as "of
Haverhill," is that he could very well be a connection of the Puritan
family of ministerial Wards, known for their connection to Haverhill,
just over the county line in from Essex into Suffolk. As I noted
above, Little Wratting is the next village over from Haverhill or
Haveril.
"Judith" is a name that was fairly rare at this time (late 1500s), and
was just beginning to be used more widely. "Edward" cannot be
considered a rare name, but it _is_ rarer than "the big three" (John,
William, and Thomas). It is also probably more unique than
Richard or Robert.
I would also guess that there have always been fewer "Edward Wards" in
all periods than might have been, because of the awkward repetition of
the "ward ward" sound in the last two syllables of the name (parents
usually care at least somewhat about the "sound" of a child's name).
I've done a search of the IGI for all occurrences of an Edward Ward
married to a Judith in the period 1400-1900 for both England and North
America.
There were three instances in that 500 year period in England:
St. James, Dukes Palace, London
--Edward Warde to Judith Pensax, 31 July 1682
Filby, Norfolk
--Edward Ward to Judith Narburgh/ Varburgh, 12 Nov. 1799 (this is not
a true extracted IGI record, but there are two similar patron
submissions that probably lead back to a "real" record)
St Nicholas (nonconformist), Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
--Edward Ward to Judith Hudspeth, 29 Dec. 1819
There are precisely NO "Edward Ward+Judith" marriages for North
America for the entire period, either extracted or submitted.
This shows that when you combine the somewhat rare name of "Edward
Ward" with a wife named "Judith," you find very few instances of it in
the entire English-speaking world before 1900.
(slightly redacted):
This was a bit of a "fun fantasy" for me, based solely and simply on
my finding a married couple named Edward and Judith Ward (the names of
two of my ancestors) in approximately the same time and place --Essex/
Suffolk in the late 1500s / early 1600s. I should note, however, that
the line is (I think) pretty well-proved down to Judith Lukin, wife of
Edward Ward. To save time, I will note that the beginning of the line
is the same as that for immigrant Edmond Hawes, from William the Lion
down to
Beatrice Shirley who m. John Brome, Esq., of Baddesley Clinton, co.
Warwick
Isabel Brome m. (2) John Denton, gent., of Appleton, Berkshire
Thomas Denton of Caversfield, Oxfordshire m. Jane Webbe
Isabel Denton m. (1) William ap Walter, gent., of Roxwell, Essex [she
married (2) Edward Grenville of Wooton Underwood, co. Bucks]
Thomasine Walter married 29 June 1559 Mashbury, Essex (extracted IGI
batch M047461), to William Lukin, of Mashbury, who d. by Feb. 1576
[Thomasine (Walter) Lukin m. (2) Edmond Rokewood]
Judith Lukin m. Edward Ward, d. ca. 1621
Mary Ward m. 1619 Capt. John Cutting of New England
Sources:
http://books.google.com/books?id=f6wKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA378&dq=denton+caversfield&lr=#PPA229,M1
http://books.google.com/books?id=hqwKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA310&dq=Lucken+walter&lr=
[This Essex Visitation shows Isabel Denton actually married Edward
Grenville, not GREVILLE, as claimed in the Oxfordshire Visitations; I
strongly suspect the order of her marriages has been reversed in this
Visitation, as Edward Grenville's will is dated March 1536. She was
probably married to Grenville first and Luckyn second.]
http://books.google.com/books?id=8-0KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA673&dq=underwood+grenville+denton&lr=
http://books.google.com/books?id=hqwKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA238&dq=%22abraham+carrington%22+maldon&lr=
http://books.google.com/books?id=Uu0KAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA22&dq=edward+warde+havering+essex&lr=#v=onepage&q=edward%20warde%20havering%20essex&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Xp_8n5A03L8C&pg=PA314&dq=%22edward+warde%22+judith&lr=#v=onepage&q=%22edward%20warde%22%20judith&f=false
http://books.google.com/books?id=Fgg8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA33&dq=%22edward+ward%22+hosier&lr=#v=onepage&q=%22edward%20ward%22%20hosier&f=false
[Aspinwall entry showing association of Edward Ward, hosier, of
Ipswich, England, with New England people; remember that his likely
brother-in-law, John Cutting, was a ship's captain to New England.]
* * * * * * * * * * * *
Of course, in the meantime, Leslie Mahler's excellent article has
appeared: "The English Origin of Nathaniel1 Ward of Hartford,
Connecticut, and Hadley, Massachusetts, Mary1 (Ward) Cutting of
Newbury, Massachusetts, Rebecca1 (Ward) Allen of Newbury, and Their
Nephew William1 Markham of Hadley: A Previously Unnoticed Kinship
Group," _TAG_, 83 (2008):13-18. Leslie showed that all these people
were children of Edward Ward of Little Wratting (next to Haverill),
Suffolk, by his wife Judith ____, noting that no record shows Judith's
maiden identity.
It's quite high on my "wish list" to have someone check the manuscript
of the 1612 Essex Visitation for Edward Ward "of Haveringe" who
married Judith Lukyn to see if "Haveringe" could possibly be actually
"Haverill."
It's important to remember that Judith Lukyn's mother Thomasine was
married in Feb. 1576/7 to Edmond Ruckwood per this license:
http://books.google.com/books?id=i6wKAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA74&dq=%22thomasine+lukyn%22&lr=#v=onepage&q=%22thomasine%20lukyn%22&f=false
Then, working back on another pedigree, we see Thomasine Walter's
mother was "Isabell, daugh. to Thomas Denton of Battesfild in com
Oxford (? Caversfield co. Bucks), she after mar. to Edward Greenfilde
[Grenville] of Wootton Underwood in com. Buckingham, esqueir." By her
Walter marriage, Isabel had four children, including Thomasine, wife
of Luken and Rookwood, and a daughter Anne, married to Thomas Denton
of Shropshire.
http://books.google.com/books?id=hqwKAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA310&dq=%22william+ap+walter&lr=#v=onepage&q=%22william%20ap%20walter&f=false
On a whim, I ordered the 28 October 1585 will of "Edwarde Grenevile of
Wotton Underwood in the countye of Buck, gentleman" (PROB 11/69). It
is most interesting! It says, among other things, "Item I bequeathe
unto the childrenn of my brother Rockwood and the childrenn of my
brother Luckin fiftie poundes to be equally distributed amongest
them." It also mentions "my sister Anne Denton" and a couple members
of the Walter family.
So this line is easily provable down to Judith Lukyn, who was the wife
of AN Edward Ward, and -could- be the wife of "our" Edward Ward of
Haverill/ Wratting.
The reason the Lukyns might have thought of Edward Ward as "of
Haverhill," is that he could very well be a connection of the Puritan
family of ministerial Wards, known for their connection to Haverhill,
just over the county line in from Essex into Suffolk. As I noted
above, Little Wratting is the next village over from Haverhill or
Haveril.
"Judith" is a name that was fairly rare at this time (late 1500s), and
was just beginning to be used more widely. "Edward" cannot be
considered a rare name, but it _is_ rarer than "the big three" (John,
William, and Thomas). It is also probably more unique than
Richard or Robert.
I would also guess that there have always been fewer "Edward Wards" in
all periods than might have been, because of the awkward repetition of
the "ward ward" sound in the last two syllables of the name (parents
usually care at least somewhat about the "sound" of a child's name).
I've done a search of the IGI for all occurrences of an Edward Ward
married to a Judith in the period 1400-1900 for both England and North
America.
There were three instances in that 500 year period in England:
St. James, Dukes Palace, London
--Edward Warde to Judith Pensax, 31 July 1682
Filby, Norfolk
--Edward Ward to Judith Narburgh/ Varburgh, 12 Nov. 1799 (this is not
a true extracted IGI record, but there are two similar patron
submissions that probably lead back to a "real" record)
St Nicholas (nonconformist), Newcastle upon Tyne, Northumberland
--Edward Ward to Judith Hudspeth, 29 Dec. 1819
There are precisely NO "Edward Ward+Judith" marriages for North
America for the entire period, either extracted or submitted.
This shows that when you combine the somewhat rare name of "Edward
Ward" with a wife named "Judith," you find very few instances of it in
the entire English-speaking world before 1900.