Tiplady

[Mary Jane Battaglia]

I apologize for getting off topic and time, but in view of your members' expertise and resources, perhaps someone could enlighten me with the meaning or history of the strange name of one of my ancestors: Christopher TIPLADY.
He lived in Yorkshire and, at Sutton in Holderness in 1786, married an Elizabeth Jessie Cook. I have a family artifact, a lovely painted brooch with the portrait of a young woman of that time. The initials "EJC" are etched on the bottom edge of the picture. What was the custom of that time? Did the initials indicate the name of the person or the painter?
mjb

[John Watson]

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
I apologize for getting off topic and time, but in view of your members' expertise and resources, perhaps someone could enlighten me with the meaning or history of the strange name of one of my ancestors: Christopher TIPLADY.
He lived in Yorkshire and, at Sutton in Holderness in 1786, married an Elizabeth Jessie Cook. I have a family artifact, a lovely painted brooch with the portrait of a young woman of that time. The initials "EJC" are etched on the bottom edge of the picture. What was the custom of that time? Did the initials indicate the name of the person or the painter?
mjb

The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.

Regards,

John

[t***@clearwire.net]

Post by John Watson
The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.

This is, to me, a new derivation. Looking at those names I have to
question whether they all derive from the same source. Admittedly
names can morph pretty severely, but I see Topley/Toppley as -legh
names. Syllables do sometimes get dropped, and I guess these could
come from Topcliffe, I think it less likely that they would pick up
that 'day' syllable at the end to become Tiplady.

I have seen a half-dozen different explanations for Tiplady, none of
them all that convincing. The earliest instance I was able to find was
from the 14th century, and was of a "Johanna Tippeleveday".

taf

[Leticia Cluff]

Post by t***@clearwire.net

Post by John Watson
The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.

This is, to me, a new derivation. Looking at those names I have to
question whether they all derive from the same source. Admittedly
names can morph pretty severely, but I see Topley/Toppley as -legh
names. Syllables do sometimes get dropped, and I guess these could
come from Topcliffe, I think it less likely that they would pick up
that 'day' syllable at the end to become Tiplady.
I have seen a half-dozen different explanations for Tiplady, none of
them all that convincing. The earliest instance I was able to find was
from the 14th century, and was of a "Johanna Tippeleveday".

If that is indeed the earliest form, then it rules out any connection
with Topcliff. The element "leveday" resembles the many possible
medieval spellings of the word "lady" that can be found in the Oxford
English Dictionary, including:

leivedi, levede, levedie, levidi, lavedy.

The name Tiplady is included in this list of names suggestive of loose
sexual behavior:

"A literal meaning of the thirteenth century English by-name
Plantefolie is `wickedness shoot', which might either be a metonym
(synecdoche) for a `male generator of bastards' or, with the offshoot
sense, it might mean metaphorically a `bastard child'. We can compare
the metonymic sense, to wit a `male generator of offspring', with
other names such as Toplady, Tiplady, Toplass, Topliss, Shakelady,
Fullielove, Paramore, Sweetlove, Spendlove, Lemon (`lover',
`sweetheart'), Blandamer (from Pleyn d'amour, cf. Fullielove), and
perhaps also for example Pullrose, Breakspear, and Whitehorn, not to
mention many obscene by-names."

That's from an interesting article about the origin of the name and
family of Plant. It may be of interest to people here because of the
passing mention of Plantagenet, but there are many other good reasons
for reading the article:

http://cogprints.org/5462/1/nomina_eprint.pdf

The meaning of the name as a man who does something to ladies might
not be the derivation that Mary Jane most wants to hear, but it seems
like a very strong possibility, given the form "leveday" and the many
semantic parallels.

Tish

[Renia]

Post by Leticia Cluff

Post by t***@clearwire.net

Post by John Watson
The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.

This is, to me, a new derivation. Looking at those names I have to
question whether they all derive from the same source. Admittedly
names can morph pretty severely, but I see Topley/Toppley as -legh
names. Syllables do sometimes get dropped, and I guess these could
come from Topcliffe, I think it less likely that they would pick up
that 'day' syllable at the end to become Tiplady.
I have seen a half-dozen different explanations for Tiplady, none of
them all that convincing. The earliest instance I was able to find was
from the 14th century, and was of a "Johanna Tippeleveday".

If that is indeed the earliest form, then it rules out any connection
with Topcliff. The element "leveday" resembles the many possible
medieval spellings of the word "lady" that can be found in the Oxford
leivedi, levede, levedie, levidi, lavedy.

It's more like the surname Loveday than a deriviation of "lady", but
probably supports the para below describing "loving" surnames.

Post by Leticia Cluff
The name Tiplady is included in this list of names suggestive of loose
"A literal meaning of the thirteenth century English by-name
Plantefolie is `wickedness shoot', which might either be a metonym
(synecdoche) for a `male generator of bastards' or, with the offshoot
sense, it might mean metaphorically a `bastard child'. We can compare
the metonymic sense, to wit a `male generator of offspring', with
other names such as Toplady, Tiplady, Toplass, Topliss, Shakelady,
Fullielove, Paramore, Sweetlove, Spendlove, Lemon (`lover',
`sweetheart'), Blandamer (from Pleyn d'amour, cf. Fullielove), and
perhaps also for example Pullrose, Breakspear, and Whitehorn, not to
mention many obscene by-names."
That's from an interesting article about the origin of the name and
family of Plant. It may be of interest to people here because of the
passing mention of Plantagenet, but there are many other good reasons
http://cogprints.org/5462/1/nomina_eprint.pdf
The meaning of the name as a man who does something to ladies might
not be the derivation that Mary Jane most wants to hear, but it seems
like a very strong possibility, given the form "leveday" and the many
semantic parallels.
Tish

[Leticia Cluff]

Post by Renia

Post by Leticia Cluff

Post by t***@clearwire.net

Post by John Watson
The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.

This is, to me, a new derivation. Looking at those names I have to
question whether they all derive from the same source. Admittedly
names can morph pretty severely, but I see Topley/Toppley as -legh
names. Syllables do sometimes get dropped, and I guess these could
come from Topcliffe, I think it less likely that they would pick up
that 'day' syllable at the end to become Tiplady.
I have seen a half-dozen different explanations for Tiplady, none of
them all that convincing. The earliest instance I was able to find was
from the 14th century, and was of a "Johanna Tippeleveday".

If that is indeed the earliest form, then it rules out any connection
with Topcliff. The element "leveday" resembles the many possible
medieval spellings of the word "lady" that can be found in the Oxford
leivedi, levede, levedie, levidi, lavedy.

It's more like the surname Loveday than a deriviation of "lady", but
probably supports the para below describing "loving" surnames.

I still can't help feeling that the "leveday" in Tippeleveday is
closer to "leivedi, levede, levedie, levidi, lavedy" than it is to
Loveday. What would a combination of Tip and Loveday mean?

Tish

[Renia]

Post by Leticia Cluff

Post by Renia

Post by Leticia Cluff

Post by t***@clearwire.net

Post by John Watson
The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.

This is, to me, a new derivation. Looking at those names I have to
question whether they all derive from the same source. Admittedly
names can morph pretty severely, but I see Topley/Toppley as -legh
names. Syllables do sometimes get dropped, and I guess these could
come from Topcliffe, I think it less likely that they would pick up
that 'day' syllable at the end to become Tiplady.
I have seen a half-dozen different explanations for Tiplady, none of
them all that convincing. The earliest instance I was able to find was
from the 14th century, and was of a "Johanna Tippeleveday".

If that is indeed the earliest form, then it rules out any connection
with Topcliff. The element "leveday" resembles the many possible
medieval spellings of the word "lady" that can be found in the Oxford
leivedi, levede, levedie, levidi, lavedy.

It's more like the surname Loveday than a deriviation of "lady", but
probably supports the para below describing "loving" surnames.

I still can't help feeling that the "leveday" in Tippeleveday is
closer to "leivedi, levede, levedie, levidi, lavedy" than it is to
Loveday. What would a combination of Tip and Loveday mean?

Tippled lady or female drunk who is, em, very loving.

That's why I favour "a lady tavern keeper" for the origin of Tiplady. So
far.

[t***@clearwire.net]

Post by Leticia Cluff

Post by Renia

Post by Leticia Cluff
leivedi, levede, levedie, levidi, lavedy.

It's more like the surname Loveday than a deriviation of "lady", but
probably supports the para below describing "loving" surnames.

Also a female given name.

Post by Leticia Cluff
I still can't help feeling that the "leveday" in Tippeleveday is
closer to "leivedi, levede, levedie, levidi, lavedy" than it is to
Loveday.

But where does Loveday come from: this need not be an either/or -
Loveday could just as well be a variant of levedie.

taf

[t***@clearwire.net]

Post by Leticia Cluff
The name Tiplady is included in this list of names suggestive of loose
"A literal meaning of the thirteenth century English by-name
Plantefolie is `wickedness shoot', which might either be a metonym
(synecdoche) for a `male generator of bastards' or, with the offshoot
sense, it might mean metaphorically a `bastard child'. We can compare
the metonymic sense, to wit a `male generator of offspring', with
other names such as Toplady, Tiplady, Toplass, Topliss, Shakelady,
Fullielove, Paramore, Sweetlove, Spendlove, Lemon (`lover',
`sweetheart'), Blandamer (from Pleyn d'amour, cf. Fullielove), and
perhaps also for example Pullrose, Breakspear, and Whitehorn, not to
mention many obscene by-names."

I think the author is trying to hard, including Breakspear, which is
more likely to be literal than metaphorical.

Post by Leticia Cluff
The meaning of the name as a man who does something to ladies might
not be the derivation that Mary Jane most wants to hear, but it seems
like a very strong possibility, given the form "leveday" and the many
semantic parallels.

On the flip-side, I saw it in a similar list of names which were said
to likely reference the Holy Mother (the Lady in question).

taf

[D. Spencer Hines]

Of course.

Vide "Roundheels".

DSH

Post by Leticia Cluff
The name Tiplady is included in this list of names suggestive of loose
"A literal meaning of the thirteenth century English by-name
Plantefolie is `wickedness shoot', which might either be a metonym
(synecdoche) for a `male generator of bastards' or, with the offshoot
sense, it might mean metaphorically a `bastard child'. We can compare
the metonymic sense, to wit a `male generator of offspring', with
other names such as Toplady, Tiplady, Toplass, Topliss, Shakelady,
Fullielove, Paramore, Sweetlove, Spendlove, Lemon (`lover',
`sweetheart'), Blandamer (from Pleyn d'amour, cf. Fullielove), and
perhaps also for example Pullrose, Breakspear, and Whitehorn, not to
mention many obscene by-names."

[Renia]

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
I apologize for getting off topic and time, but in view of your members' expertise and resources, perhaps someone could enlighten me with the meaning or history of the strange name of one of my ancestors: Christopher TIPLADY.
He lived in Yorkshire and, at Sutton in Holderness in 1786, married an Elizabeth Jessie Cook. I have a family artifact, a lovely painted brooch with the portrait of a young woman of that time. The initials "EJC" are etched on the bottom edge of the picture. What was the custom of that time? Did the initials indicate the name of the person or the painter?
mjb

I suspect the initials on the miniature were that of the painter.

A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames says of Tiplady that it is
possibly a Yorkshire name, citing John Typlady of Yorkshire in 1477. A
local variant is Toplady. However, of the surname Tippler, it says
tipler was an Elizabethan innkeeper. It cites William Tipeler in 1273 of
Sussex. I suspect Tiplady was a lady innkeeper.

Tiplady is certainly a Yorkshire surname. About half of the 435 Tipladys
in the 1841 England census were living in Yorkshire.

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.

I do not believe this or I would have seen more evidence of it. It's an
area I'm interested in but Tiplady is not a name familiar to me from
that area. In the Middle Ages it was one of the seats of the Percies.
The population in the 1820s was 659.

There were no Tipladys in Topcliffe in the 1841 census. If it was such a
localised name, one or two might have been still there. Almost half of
the 435 Tipladys in England in 1841 were in Yorkshire. Of those, 44 were
in Holderness, the largest concentration. 94 were in County Durham and
64 in Lancashire. Only one was in Lincolnshire, which, if it was a
Hull/Holderness name, we might expect to see more of. (There were 5
Topladys, all the same family, living in Nottinghamshire. No other real
variants of note.)

47 of those Tipladys in the 1841 census were born before 1790, 21 of
them being males. Of those 47, 29 were living in Yorkshire, 13 of them
being males. (2 in Aysgarth in West Hang Hundred, 1 in Aldborough in
Holderness Hundred, 1 in Bossall in Bulmer Hundred, 1 in Brompton by
Northallerton in Allertonshire Hundred, 1 in Fewston in Claro Hundred, 1
in Bingley in Skyrack Hundred, 1 in Guisborough in Langbourgh Hundred, 1
in Pickering in Pickering Hundred, 1 in Osmotherley in Allertonshire
Hundred, 1 in Thirsk in Bulmer Hundred, 1 in Horton in Morley Hundred
(Leeds area).

In Bulmer Hundred, there were 2. In neighbouring Allertonshire, there
were 2. In neighbouring Claro there was 1.

In the 1851 census there were 496 Tipladys, 286 of them living or born
in Yorkshire, 135 of those being males. There were 13 males born before
1790, 9 of them in Yorkshire. (The first location is where born, the
second is where living)[my brackets]:
Alexander Tiplady abt 1783 Askrigg, Yorkshire, England Head
Bainbridge Yorkshire
George Tiplady Ann abt 1781 Melbecks, Yorkshire, England Son
Melbecks Yorkshire [age 10, so not born 1781]
James Tiplady Ann abt 1783 Beamsley, Yorkshire, England Head
Thruscross Yorkshire
John Tiplady abt 1781 Yorkshire, England Visitor Stratford Le Bow
Middlesex
John Tiplady Seythey abt 1778 Sigston, Durham [Yorkshire], England
Head Brompton Yorkshire
Stephen Tiplady abt 1790 Yorkshire, England Hawsker Cum
Stainsacre Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady Elizabeth abt 1789 Heighley, Yorkshire, England Head
Horton Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady abt 1777 Buttercrambe, Yorkshire, England Father
Selby Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady abt 1785 West Rounton, Yorkshire, England Brother
West Rounton Yorkshire

[a***@alltel.net]

I am surprised that no one has cited P. H. Reaney and R. M. Wilson, A
Dictionary of English Surnames, 3rd ed., Oxford Univ. Press, 1995, p.
448. Reaney and Wilson show Tiplady as a variant of Toplady (or
Toplass), "both names for a libertine." (The famous English
hymnwriter, Augustus M. Toplady, would probably not appreciation this
derivation.)

"Libertine" and "female innkeeper" seem about equally likely, while
the other suggestions won't do!

DAVID L. GREENE, FASG
Editor and publisher, TAG

Post by Renia

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
I apologize for getting off topic and time, but in view of your members' expertise and resources, perhaps someone could enlighten me with the meaning or history of the strange name of one of my ancestors: Christopher TIPLADY.
He lived in Yorkshire and, at Sutton in Holderness in 1786, married an Elizabeth Jessie Cook. I have a family artifact, a lovely painted brooch with the portrait of a young woman of that time. The initials "EJC" are etched on the bottom edge of the picture. What was the custom of that time? Did the initials indicate the name of the person or the painter?
mjb

I suspect the initials on the miniature were that of the painter.
A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames says of Tiplady that it is
possibly a Yorkshire name, citing John Typlady of Yorkshire in 1477. A
local variant is Toplady. However, of the surname Tippler, it says
tipler was an Elizabethan innkeeper. It cites William Tipeler in 1273 of
Sussex. I suspect Tiplady was a lady innkeeper.
Tiplady is certainly a Yorkshire surname. About half of the 435 Tipladys
in the 1841 England census were living in Yorkshire.

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.

I do not believe this or I would have seen more evidence of it. It's an
area I'm interested in but Tiplady is not a name familiar to me from
that area. In the Middle Ages it was one of the seats of the Percies.
The population in the 1820s was 659.
There were no Tipladys in Topcliffe in the 1841 census. If it was such a
localised name, one or two might have been still there. Almost half of
the 435 Tipladys in England in 1841 were in Yorkshire. Of those, 44 were
in Holderness, the largest concentration. 94 were in County Durham and
64 in Lancashire. Only one was in Lincolnshire, which, if it was a
Hull/Holderness name, we might expect to see more of. (There were 5
Topladys, all the same family, living in Nottinghamshire. No other real
variants of note.)
47 of those Tipladys in the 1841 census were born before 1790, 21 of
them being males. Of those 47, 29 were living in Yorkshire, 13 of them
being males. (2 in Aysgarth in West Hang Hundred, 1 in Aldborough in
Holderness Hundred, 1 in Bossall in Bulmer Hundred, 1 in Brompton by
Northallerton in Allertonshire Hundred, 1 in Fewston in Claro Hundred, 1
in Bingley in Skyrack Hundred, 1 in Guisborough in Langbourgh Hundred, 1
in Pickering in Pickering Hundred, 1 in Osmotherley in Allertonshire
Hundred, 1 in Thirsk in Bulmer Hundred, 1 in Horton in Morley Hundred
(Leeds area).
In Bulmer Hundred, there were 2. In neighbouring Allertonshire, there
were 2. In neighbouring Claro there was 1.
In the 1851 census there were 496 Tipladys, 286 of them living or born
in Yorkshire, 135 of those being males. There were 13 males born before
1790, 9 of them in Yorkshire. (The first location is where born, the
Alexander Tiplady abt 1783 Askrigg, Yorkshire, England Head
Bainbridge Yorkshire
George Tiplady Ann abt 1781 Melbecks, Yorkshire, England Son
Melbecks Yorkshire [age 10, so not born 1781]
James Tiplady Ann abt 1783 Beamsley, Yorkshire, England Head
Thruscross Yorkshire
John Tiplady abt 1781 Yorkshire, England Visitor Stratford Le Bow
Middlesex
John Tiplady Seythey abt 1778 Sigston, Durham [Yorkshire], England
Head Brompton Yorkshire
Stephen Tiplady abt 1790 Yorkshire, England Hawsker Cum
Stainsacre Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady Elizabeth abt 1789 Heighley, Yorkshire, England Head
Horton Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady abt 1777 Buttercrambe, Yorkshire, England Father
Selby Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady abt 1785 West Rounton, Yorkshire, England Brother
West Rounton Yorkshire

[Ian Goddard]

Post by Renia

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
I apologize for getting off topic and time, but in view of your
members' expertise and resources, perhaps someone could enlighten me
with the meaning or history of the strange name of one of my
ancestors: Christopher TIPLADY. He lived in Yorkshire and, at
Sutton in Holderness in 1786, married an Elizabeth Jessie Cook. I
have a family artifact, a lovely painted brooch with the portrait of a
young woman of that time. The initials "EJC" are etched on the bottom
edge of the picture. What was the custom of that time? Did the
initials indicate the name of the person or the painter?
mjb

I suspect the initials on the miniature were that of the painter.
A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames says of Tiplady that it is
possibly a Yorkshire name, citing John Typlady of Yorkshire in 1477. A
local variant is Toplady. However, of the surname Tippler, it says
tipler was an Elizabethan innkeeper. It cites William Tipeler in 1273 of
Sussex. I suspect Tiplady was a lady innkeeper.
Tiplady is certainly a Yorkshire surname. About half of the 435 Tipladys
in the 1841 England census were living in Yorkshire.

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.

I do not believe this or I would have seen more evidence of it. It's an
area I'm interested in but Tiplady is not a name familiar to me from
that area. In the Middle Ages it was one of the seats of the Percies.
The population in the 1820s was 659.
There were no Tipladys in Topcliffe in the 1841 census. If it was such a
localised name, one or two might have been still there. Almost half of
the 435 Tipladys in England in 1841 were in Yorkshire. Of those, 44 were
in Holderness, the largest concentration. 94 were in County Durham and
64 in Lancashire. Only one was in Lincolnshire, which, if it was a
Hull/Holderness name, we might expect to see more of. (There were 5
Topladys, all the same family, living in Nottinghamshire. No other real
variants of note.)
47 of those Tipladys in the 1841 census were born before 1790, 21 of
them being males. Of those 47, 29 were living in Yorkshire, 13 of them
being males. (2 in Aysgarth in West Hang Hundred, 1 in Aldborough in
Holderness Hundred, 1 in Bossall in Bulmer Hundred, 1 in Brompton by
Northallerton in Allertonshire Hundred, 1 in Fewston in Claro Hundred, 1
in Bingley in Skyrack Hundred, 1 in Guisborough in Langbourgh Hundred, 1
in Pickering in Pickering Hundred, 1 in Osmotherley in Allertonshire
Hundred, 1 in Thirsk in Bulmer Hundred, 1 in Horton in Morley Hundred
(Leeds area).
In Bulmer Hundred, there were 2. In neighbouring Allertonshire, there
were 2. In neighbouring Claro there was 1.
In the 1851 census there were 496 Tipladys, 286 of them living or born
in Yorkshire, 135 of those being males. There were 13 males born before
1790, 9 of them in Yorkshire. (The first location is where born, the
Alexander Tiplady abt 1783 Askrigg, Yorkshire, England Head
Bainbridge Yorkshire
George Tiplady Ann abt 1781 Melbecks, Yorkshire, England Son Melbecks
Yorkshire [age 10, so not born 1781]
James Tiplady Ann abt 1783 Beamsley, Yorkshire, England Head
Thruscross Yorkshire
John Tiplady abt 1781 Yorkshire, England Visitor Stratford Le Bow
Middlesex
John Tiplady Seythey abt 1778 Sigston, Durham [Yorkshire], England
Head Brompton Yorkshire
Stephen Tiplady abt 1790 Yorkshire, England Hawsker Cum
Stainsacre Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady Elizabeth abt 1789 Heighley, Yorkshire, England Head
Horton Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady abt 1777 Buttercrambe, Yorkshire, England Father
Selby Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady abt 1785 West Rounton, Yorkshire, England Brother West
Rounton Yorkshire

IMV census information can be far too late to get an idea of early
distributions. If only the whole of the C14th subsidy roll had survived...

An approach I like to use is to search IGI for hits for the early days
of the parish registers (yes, I know it's an erratic source but can you
find me something better?). Some years ago you could actually put an
asterisk in the Christian name box and a date range. Now you can leave
the Christian name box blank but can't put in a date and have to inspect
the full yield by mark one eyeball. Anyway as a result of looking for
the C16th hits out of the first 1600...

There were southern clusters in Dunstable and Castor in Northants. In
the north all the hits are on the right sight of the Pennines but well
spread and some of the names are ambiguous. However there seem to be
quite a few from Leake near Northallerton but they extend up into
Teesdale and down as far south as Coxwold, west to Pateley Bridge and
east via Settrington to Filey - but not Holderness. Potentially early
C17th hits could extend this simply by there being more surviving
registers. It would be an interesting exercise for the OP to plot the
spread half century by half century to get some idea when a family moved
into Holderness.

[Renia]

Post by Ian Goddard

Post by Renia

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
I apologize for getting off topic and time, but in view of your
members' expertise and resources, perhaps someone could enlighten me
with the meaning or history of the strange name of one of my
ancestors: Christopher TIPLADY. He lived in Yorkshire and, at
Sutton in Holderness in 1786, married an Elizabeth Jessie Cook. I
have a family artifact, a lovely painted brooch with the portrait of
a young woman of that time. The initials "EJC" are etched on the
bottom edge of the picture. What was the custom of that time? Did
the initials indicate the name of the person or the painter?
mjb

I suspect the initials on the miniature were that of the painter.
A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames says of Tiplady that it is
possibly a Yorkshire name, citing John Typlady of Yorkshire in 1477. A
local variant is Toplady. However, of the surname Tippler, it says
tipler was an Elizabethan innkeeper. It cites William Tipeler in 1273
of Sussex. I suspect Tiplady was a lady innkeeper.
Tiplady is certainly a Yorkshire surname. About half of the 435
Tipladys in the 1841 England census were living in Yorkshire.

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.

I do not believe this or I would have seen more evidence of it. It's
an area I'm interested in but Tiplady is not a name familiar to me
from that area. In the Middle Ages it was one of the seats of the
Percies. The population in the 1820s was 659.
There were no Tipladys in Topcliffe in the 1841 census. If it was such
a localised name, one or two might have been still there. Almost half
of the 435 Tipladys in England in 1841 were in Yorkshire. Of those, 44
were in Holderness, the largest concentration. 94 were in County
Durham and 64 in Lancashire. Only one was in Lincolnshire, which, if
it was a Hull/Holderness name, we might expect to see more of. (There
were 5 Topladys, all the same family, living in Nottinghamshire. No
other real variants of note.)
47 of those Tipladys in the 1841 census were born before 1790, 21 of
them being males. Of those 47, 29 were living in Yorkshire, 13 of them
being males. (2 in Aysgarth in West Hang Hundred, 1 in Aldborough in
Holderness Hundred, 1 in Bossall in Bulmer Hundred, 1 in Brompton by
Northallerton in Allertonshire Hundred, 1 in Fewston in Claro Hundred,
1 in Bingley in Skyrack Hundred, 1 in Guisborough in Langbourgh
Hundred, 1 in Pickering in Pickering Hundred, 1 in Osmotherley in
Allertonshire Hundred, 1 in Thirsk in Bulmer Hundred, 1 in Horton in
Morley Hundred (Leeds area).
In Bulmer Hundred, there were 2. In neighbouring Allertonshire, there
were 2. In neighbouring Claro there was 1.
In the 1851 census there were 496 Tipladys, 286 of them living or born
in Yorkshire, 135 of those being males. There were 13 males born
before 1790, 9 of them in Yorkshire. (The first location is where
Alexander Tiplady abt 1783 Askrigg, Yorkshire, England Head
Bainbridge Yorkshire
George Tiplady Ann abt 1781 Melbecks, Yorkshire, England Son
Melbecks Yorkshire [age 10, so not born 1781]
James Tiplady Ann abt 1783 Beamsley, Yorkshire, England Head
Thruscross Yorkshire
John Tiplady abt 1781 Yorkshire, England Visitor Stratford Le Bow
Middlesex
John Tiplady Seythey abt 1778 Sigston, Durham [Yorkshire], England
Head Brompton Yorkshire
Stephen Tiplady abt 1790 Yorkshire, England Hawsker Cum
Stainsacre Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady Elizabeth abt 1789 Heighley, Yorkshire, England Head
Horton Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady abt 1777 Buttercrambe, Yorkshire, England Father
Selby Yorkshire
Thomas Tiplady abt 1785 West Rounton, Yorkshire, England Brother
West Rounton Yorkshire

IMV census information can be far too late to get an idea of early
distributions. If only the whole of the C14th subsidy roll had survived...

I agree with you but it can be useful, if only for elimination purposes.

Now, I have a 14th century Poll Tax somewhere, for Claro, I think. But
do you think I can find it?

Post by Ian Goddard
An approach I like to use is to search IGI for hits for the early days
of the parish registers (yes, I know it's an erratic source but can you
find me something better?). Some years ago you could actually put an
asterisk in the Christian name box and a date range. Now you can leave
the Christian name box blank but can't put in a date and have to inspect
the full yield by mark one eyeball. Anyway as a result of looking for
the C16th hits out of the first 1600...
There were southern clusters in Dunstable and Castor in Northants. In
the north all the hits are on the right sight of the Pennines but well
spread and some of the names are ambiguous. However there seem to be
quite a few from Leake near Northallerton but they extend up into
Teesdale and down as far south as Coxwold, west to Pateley Bridge and
east via Settrington to Filey - but not Holderness. Potentially early
C17th hits could extend this simply by there being more surviving
registers. It would be an interesting exercise for the OP to plot the
spread half century by half century to get some idea when a family moved
into Holderness.

I tried the IGI, but, like you, found the spread too diverse to come to
any conclusion.

[Ian Goddard]

Post by Renia
Now, I have a 14th century Poll Tax somewhere, for Claro, I think. But
do you think I can find it?

Genuki has what is supposed to be the entire West Riding roll. I say
supposed to be because although all the membranes are present at least
one locality, Cowick, isn't even listed. Needless to say it's a
locality I'm interested in. Maybe they were good at avoiding tax
collectors.

I searched the whole roll for Tipl, Topl and Typl and also for "pel"
variations without finding anything.

[Mary Jane Battaglia]

To all you kind Scholars who have responded to my query re "Tiplady:"



THANK YOU! Now my head is really spinning at all the possibilities.



Renias' comments re the innkeeper angle had occurred to me..especially
the current interpretation of "tippler", but that's just speculation right
now. And David Green's comments re "libertine" and Augustus M.Toplady
connections had been suggested to me but not taken seriously (ha). The
ancient use of the name "Johanna Tippelereday" as suggested by taf is now
filed away should I ever get back that far.



Renias' information re where and when the name is/was found should
prove helpful and will be studied.. Clues from my own research (Documented.
I actually saw the entries in the Beverly Parish book the birth of my great
grandmother, Maria and her twin, Emily in 1838) indicate that Christopher
and Elizabeth produced 8 children, the first three (William, Mary Ann and
Rebecca) were born in Beverly/Hull region while the rest (George Cook
Tiplady, John, Elizabeth, Ruth Ann, Joseph and Frances) were born in the
Stepney area, London where Christopher was a cordwainer. The youngest,
Frances, was my ancestor. She was baptized in her teens (1813) at St
Dunsten, Miles End, New Town.



(Please excuse, but a personal note we still cherish: While in
London we sought out this church. It had a huge metal plaque on
the front

indicating that it had been remodeled (renovated)......
in....1200AD!

We were impressed!)



Some of the Tipladys moved back the Beverly/Hull area where, in1830,
Frances married Robert Brown, a brick layer, (the census indicated that
only he had not been born this same County). Names of their children were:
Charles, Alfred, Maria, Emily, Edwin, Fredrick, Herbert, Jessie Elizabeth,
and Emma. (I consider children's names as "clues.") Somewhere between 1841
and 1850 the family left for the US. No more census records.



When I first started searching for the Tiplady name I found somewhere
in the York area that there was a connection with the occupation of
"weavers." Then I learned that weavers usually came from Belgium. Jochem
Heicke may be on to something with the suggestion of "t'Pladi" etc. This
seems quite reasonable. Also, I would like to think the portrait is of
Elizabeth Jessie Cook. If so, she was quite attractive and the painting
seems professional.



Again, thanks to you all. It seems that I will just have to follow
Goddard's suggestion and go back seeking out parish records and work
backward. Maybe I'll get lucky.



mjb

Post by John Watson

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
I apologize for getting off topic and time, but in view of your
members' expertise and resources, perhaps someone could enlighten me with
Christopher TIPLADY.
He lived in Yorkshire and, at Sutton in Holderness in 1786, married
an Elizabeth Jessie Cook. I have a family artifact, a lovely painted
brooch with the portrait of a young woman of that time. The initials
"EJC" are etched on the bottom edge of the picture. What was the custom
of that time? Did the initials indicate the name of the person or the
painter?
mjb

The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.
Regards,
John
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[John Watson]

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
To all you kind Scholars who have responded to my query re "Tiplady:"
THANK YOU! Now my head is really spinning at all the possibilities.
Renias' comments re the innkeeper angle had occurred to me..especially
the current interpretation of "tippler", but that's just speculation right
now. And David Green's comments re "libertine" and Augustus M.Toplady
connections had been suggested to me but not taken seriously (ha). The
ancient use of the name "Johanna Tippelereday" as suggested by taf is now
filed away should I ever get back that far.
Renias' information re where and when the name is/was found should
prove helpful and will be studied.. Clues from my own research (Documented.
I actually saw the entries in the Beverly Parish book the birth of my great
grandmother, Maria and her twin, Emily in 1838) indicate that Christopher
and Elizabeth produced 8 children, the first three (William, Mary Ann and
Rebecca) were born in Beverly/Hull region while the rest (George Cook
Tiplady, John, Elizabeth, Ruth Ann, Joseph and Frances) were born in the
Stepney area, London where Christopher was a cordwainer. The youngest,
Frances, was my ancestor. She was baptized in her teens (1813) at St
Dunsten, Miles End, New Town.
(Please excuse, but a personal note we still cherish: While in
London we sought out this church. It had a huge metal plaque on
the front
indicating that it had been remodeled (renovated)......
in....1200AD!
We were impressed!)
Some of the Tipladys moved back the Beverly/Hull area where, in1830,
Frances married Robert Brown, a brick layer, (the census indicated that
Charles, Alfred, Maria, Emily, Edwin, Fredrick, Herbert, Jessie Elizabeth,
and Emma. (I consider children's names as "clues.") Somewhere between 1841
and 1850 the family left for the US. No more census records.
When I first started searching for the Tiplady name I found somewhere
in the York area that there was a connection with the occupation of
"weavers." Then I learned that weavers usually came from Belgium. Jochem
Heicke may be on to something with the suggestion of "t'Pladi" etc. This
seems quite reasonable. Also, I would like to think the portrait is of
Elizabeth Jessie Cook. If so, she was quite attractive and the painting
seems professional.
Again, thanks to you all. It seems that I will just have to follow
Goddard's suggestion and go back seeking out parish records and work
backward. Maybe I'll get lucky.
mjb

Post by John Watson

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
I apologize for getting off topic and time, but in view of your
members' expertise and resources, perhaps someone could enlighten me with
Christopher TIPLADY.
He lived in Yorkshire and, at Sutton in Holderness in 1786, married
an Elizabeth Jessie Cook. I have a family artifact, a lovely painted
brooch with the portrait of a young woman of that time. The initials
"EJC" are etched on the bottom edge of the picture. What was the custom
of that time? Did the initials indicate the name of the person or the
painter?
mjb

The Yorkshire family name of Tiplady is said to be derived from the
town of Topcliffe in the North Riding. Variants are Topley, Tiplady,
Topler, Topliffe, Topcliff, Topclive, Toppley, Topleif, Toplief.
Regards,
John
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Hi Mary Jane,

Glad to be of assistance, although I have no idea if the Topcliffe
derivation of the Tiplady name is correct or not.

I have a few Tipladys in my tree, but from a bit further north than
yours around Hurworth on Tees. Your Tipladys seem to have originated
in the Holderness (Burton Pidsea, Withernwick, Welwick) area of the
East Riding from a quick look through IGI, but that's just a guess.

Regards,

John

[Renia]

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
When I first started searching for the Tiplady name I found
somewhere in the York area that there was a connection with the
occupation of "weavers." Then I learned that weavers usually came from
Belgium.

You are thinking of the 12/13th century Flemish* weavers. Weaving was a
hot industry in Yorkshire in the 18th century, until the building of
huge mills in Yorkshire and Lancashire, which displaced many thousands
of weavers and helped the surge towards emigration. The building of the
mills meant the end of the economic line for many weavers who worked at
home. They just couldn't compete with those Dark Satanic Mills.

http://www.leeds.gov.uk/armleymills/armdark.html

*Flanders comprised parts of what are now Belgium, France and The
Netherlands.

[Renia]

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
To all you kind Scholars who have responded to my query re "Tiplady:"
Again, thanks to you all. It seems that I will just have to follow
Goddard's suggestion and go back seeking out parish records and work
backward. Maybe I'll get lucky.

It's the only way, backwards from what you know to what you don't know.
How many of us have searched merrily backwards along one surname, just
to find that surname changed unexpectedly for any given number of reasons?

[Ian Goddard]

Post by Mary Jane Battaglia
Again, thanks to you all. It seems that I will just have to follow
Goddard's suggestion and go back seeking out parish records and work
backward. Maybe I'll get lucky.

Another resource is www.a2a.org.uk which is an index to many UK
archives. I tried looking for early Tipladys (or should that be
Tipladies) there without success. In passing I did find a couple for
Holderness in the C18th and that in the previous century a George
Tiplady was sentenced to be whipped through the streets of York for
stealing a sheep.