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2013-02-10 22:16:10 UTC
Greetings,
I’m trying to more conclusively establish that my 13th-G-Grandfather Nicholas Parker (d 1496 in Honing, Norfolk) was married to Margaret Jermy (dau of John Jermy, Esq. of Bukenham Ferry, Norfolk and Metfield, Suffolk d. 1487) and that she was the mother of Nicholas’ son John Parker of Honing, Norfolk (d 1528 in London). I appreciate your patience in reviewing this inquiry as I have hit a bit of a brick wall!
The following written pedigrees, among others, state that Margaret Jermy was the wife of Nicholas Parker and, in the case of the Parker pedigree, that she was the mother of John Parker. Nicholas was previously married to a Margaret Thurston (dau of Edmund Thurston of Brundish, Suffolk) who died pre-1462. Nicholas had 3 daughters with Margaret Thurston named Alice (likely married to Henry Everard at the time of Edmund Thurston’s death in 1462), Elizabeth and Isabell.
Written Pedigrees
Parker – http://archive.org/stream/visitacionievisi32ryew#page/212/mode/2up
Jermy – http://archive.org/stream/visitacionievisi32ryew#page/172/mode/2up
Jermy – http://books.google.ca/books?id=u04EAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA50&dq=%22jermy%22+%22st.+aubin%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Xd5nT_zIEeOJ0QGI3Mn8CA&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22jermy%22%20%22st.%20aubin%22&f=false
Nicholas Parker was also a feoffee of John Jermy regarding land in Withersdale, Suffolk as evidenced in John’s 1487 IPM. (‘Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office’, (1898), Henry VII., Vol. I., published by Eyre and Spottiswoode, London, p. 140). Nicholas Parker, John Jermy and John’s 2 sons John and Thomas had certain other land transactions together and Nicholas’ son John Parker likewise appears to have had some land transactions with his purported Jermy cousins.
One item of particular interest is that in 1465 Nicholas Parker and a Thomas Mountgomery knight, were granted custody of the lands of Robert Pakenham upon his decease (c 1463) (Calendar of the Fine Rolls preserved in the Public Record Office’, (1949), Vol. XX, Edward IV Henry VI 1461-1471, published by His Majesty’s Stationery Office, London, pp.151-52).
Henry Pakenham, son of Robert, came of age in 1468 as per below:
C 140/30/71
Chancery: Inquisitions Post Mortem, Series I, Edward IV
Pakenham, Henry. Proof of age Norf
8 Edw IV
Writ
Edward [IV] to the escheator in Norfolk.
Henry Pakenham, son and heir of Robert Pakenham, deceased, who held in chief of us on the day he died, says that he is of full estate and seeks from us the lands and tenements, which are of his inheritance and in the custody of Thomas Mongomery [sic], knight, and Nicholas Parker. We well that Henry, who was born at Shropham in the aforesaid county, and baptised in the church of the same vill, should prove his age before you.
In 1472 there is the following de Banco entry which related to certain Pakenham family property in Staffordshire. It references Nicholas Parker, his wife Margaret, and Henry Pakenham:
‘Collections for a history of Staffordshire’, Vol. 4, published by Kendal, pp. 179-180, states the following with respect to Nicholas Parker. It is of considerable importance as it would seem to confirm that Nicholas Parker was married a second time to a Margaret (I propose Margaret Jermy) after his first wife Margaret Thurston:
“De Banco [of the Bench]. Easter 12 E. IV. [1472].
Staff. John Harecourt, armiger, William Cumberford, William Offeley, John Olyver, Thomas Cook, of Stafford, and John Salter sued Nicholas Parker, of Honyng, armiger, and Margaret, his wife, and Henry Packenham for 5 messuages, 8 tofts, a watermill, 5 carucates of land, 42 acres of meadow, 34 acres of wood, and 74s. of rent in Weverston (Worston), Bescote, Blumenhill, Whitgreve, Eccleshale, Little Bruggeford, Colton, Charleton, and Mefford, and the advowson of the church of Blumenhille, as their right and inheritance by the King's writ of right, John Harecourt, the son and heir of Robert Harecourt, knight, the lord of the fee, having remitted his court to the King, and they stated they had been seised of the tenements and advowson in the present King's reign, etc., and they offered to prove their right, etc.
The defendants appeared by attorney and defended their right, and called to warranty Robert Kyng, who was present in court and warranted the tenements and advowson to them. The plaintiffs then sued Robert Kyng as tenant under the warranty and repeated their plea. Robert defended his right and asked that a verdict might be taken, etc., and the plaintiffs then asked for an adjournment, which was granted. The defendant afterwards made default, and judgement was given in favor of the plaintiff's, m. 121, dorso. (1) ...
Staff. Nicholas Parker, armiger, sued Richard Fernehaugh, late of Aston, yoman, to render to him a reasonable account for the time he was the receiver of his money. Richard did not appear, and the Sheriff was ordered to arrest and produce him on the Quindene of Holy Trinity, m. 209, dorso.
(1) It must be remembered that all these suits on a writ of right of this date are collusive suits to obtain a recorded judgement.”
(source: http://archive.org/stream/newcollectionsforhi04stafuoft/newcollectionsforhi04stafuoft_djvu.txt)
Henry Pakenham’s IPM from 1483 states the following with respect to Nicholas Parker, among others:
“p. 24, Appendix E
C 141/3/34
Chancery: Inquisitions Post Mortem, Series I, Richard III
Pakenham, Henry Counties: Norf
1 Ric III
Writ
Richard [III] to the escheator in the county of Norfolk. Henry Pakenham, deceased.
Westminster, 23 August in the first year of the reign [1483].
Inquisition
[Generally legible, but with a small faded and stained section on the right.]
[Delivered into court] 21 October 1 Richard III [1483] by the hands of William Corbryge.
Norfolk.
At Hengh'm, 4 October 1 Richard III [1483].
Before Thomas Brampton', escheator in the aforesaid county, by the oath of Andrew Retherhithe, Alexander Ocley, Edmund Cowper', William Daine, Thomas Vincent, [.... ....] William Whipp', John Lichefeld', William Skyrbek', John Cok', Thomas Rypford', John Auger, John Dykeman and John Ledes.
They say that Henry Pakenh'm named in the writ was seised of 1 acre of land in Snyterton' in his demesne
as of fee and that Richard [?H.... held] of the same Henry 2 acres of land in Wilby by fealty, service and
rent of 1 penny a year and John Lost held of the same Henry 7 acres of land in Snyter[ton ...] and rent of 10
pence and 1 farthing a year and Thomas Hervy held of the same Henry 3 acres of land in the same [sic] by
fealty, service and rent [of ...]
which acre of land, rents and services Henry held of the lord Edward IV, late king, brother of the now lord
king [...]
200th part of 1 knight's fee and that Henry was seised of the acre of land, rents and services at the time of
his death.
The 1 acre of land is worth each year beyond reprises 4 pence.
And they say that John Bokenh'm had and received the issues and profits of the acre and rents and services
[from the time] of the death of the said Henry up to the time of the taking of this inquisition, by what right
or title the jurors do not know.
And furthermore they say that Nicholas Parker of Ho[n]yng in the county of Norfolk, esquire, John Jermy the younger, Thomas Jermy, brother of the same John, esquire, Thomas Banyard', gentleman, Thomas Toppesfeld', esquire, Thomas [Lam?]pette, esquire, and Master John Stanton', clerk, were seised of a certain manor and lands and tenements in Honyng, formerly of John Baxt[er], and also of those lands and tenements called Lombes, Wales and Drakes in the same vill, and of all the other lands and tenements which Nicholas purchased or in any other way ought to have in the vill of Honyng, Northwalsh[a]m, Worsted, Crosthwayte and Witton' in the aforesaid county, and being thus seised by a certain deed, shown to the jurors, granted to Henry Pakenh[a]m, son and heir of Robert Pakenh[a]m, esquire, deceased, an annual rent of 10 pounds, to have [and receive] to Henry and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten, annually at the feasts of Easter, the Nativity of St John the Baptist, St Michael and the Nativity of the lord by equal portions.
Henry was to have the right to distrain in the manor and tenements if the payment was in arrears by a month.
By virtue of which Henry was seised of the rent in his demesne as of fee, and Henry had issue Margaret, Elizabeth and Anne and died 6 February 20 Edward IV [1480/1], after whose death the rent descended to Margaret, Elizabeth and Anne as daughters and heirs of Henry. And they say that Margaret is of the age of 7 years and more, Elizabeth of 3 years and more and Anne is of the age of 2 years and more, and also that Margery, formerly the wife of the aforesaid Robert Pakenh'm received and had the said rent of 10 pounds from the time of the death of Henry to the time of the taking of this inquisition, by what right or title the jurors do not know.”
(source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kell/pakenham_family7.pdf)
I am curious if anyone can shed any light on the following:
1. What would be the reason for, and nature of, the 1472 de Banco entry among Nicholas Parker, his wife Margaret, Henry Pakenham and John Harecourt et al in Staffordshire? This is post Henry coming of age in 1468 and, of particular interest, why is Nicholas’ wife a party? Is she perhaps a sibling or other relative of Henry Pakenham rather than a Jermy as purported and, hence, why she was included (although there is no other evidence to support this)? Alternatively, did the Honing (and vicinity) Norfolk property encumbered in favour of Henry Pakenham include her dower lands and hence somehow her interest in Henry Pakenham’s Staffordshire property dispute?
2. What would be the reason for, and nature of, the 10l/annum rent that Nicholas et al (including his 2 purported Jermy brothers-in-law) owed Henry Pakenham as secured against lands in Honing (and vicinity) Norfolk which were not known Pakenham family lands as referenced in Henry Pakenham’s 1483 IPM?
3. Lastly, any other suggestions as to how to more conclusively establish the identity of Nicholas’ wife Margaret as a Jermy (or otherwise) and that she is John Parker’s mother would be most appreciated.
Cheers,
Pete
I’m trying to more conclusively establish that my 13th-G-Grandfather Nicholas Parker (d 1496 in Honing, Norfolk) was married to Margaret Jermy (dau of John Jermy, Esq. of Bukenham Ferry, Norfolk and Metfield, Suffolk d. 1487) and that she was the mother of Nicholas’ son John Parker of Honing, Norfolk (d 1528 in London). I appreciate your patience in reviewing this inquiry as I have hit a bit of a brick wall!
The following written pedigrees, among others, state that Margaret Jermy was the wife of Nicholas Parker and, in the case of the Parker pedigree, that she was the mother of John Parker. Nicholas was previously married to a Margaret Thurston (dau of Edmund Thurston of Brundish, Suffolk) who died pre-1462. Nicholas had 3 daughters with Margaret Thurston named Alice (likely married to Henry Everard at the time of Edmund Thurston’s death in 1462), Elizabeth and Isabell.
Written Pedigrees
Parker – http://archive.org/stream/visitacionievisi32ryew#page/212/mode/2up
Jermy – http://archive.org/stream/visitacionievisi32ryew#page/172/mode/2up
Jermy – http://books.google.ca/books?id=u04EAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA50&dq=%22jermy%22+%22st.+aubin%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Xd5nT_zIEeOJ0QGI3Mn8CA&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=%22jermy%22%20%22st.%20aubin%22&f=false
Nicholas Parker was also a feoffee of John Jermy regarding land in Withersdale, Suffolk as evidenced in John’s 1487 IPM. (‘Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem and Other Analogous Documents Preserved in the Public Record Office’, (1898), Henry VII., Vol. I., published by Eyre and Spottiswoode, London, p. 140). Nicholas Parker, John Jermy and John’s 2 sons John and Thomas had certain other land transactions together and Nicholas’ son John Parker likewise appears to have had some land transactions with his purported Jermy cousins.
One item of particular interest is that in 1465 Nicholas Parker and a Thomas Mountgomery knight, were granted custody of the lands of Robert Pakenham upon his decease (c 1463) (Calendar of the Fine Rolls preserved in the Public Record Office’, (1949), Vol. XX, Edward IV Henry VI 1461-1471, published by His Majesty’s Stationery Office, London, pp.151-52).
Henry Pakenham, son of Robert, came of age in 1468 as per below:
C 140/30/71
Chancery: Inquisitions Post Mortem, Series I, Edward IV
Pakenham, Henry. Proof of age Norf
8 Edw IV
Writ
Edward [IV] to the escheator in Norfolk.
Henry Pakenham, son and heir of Robert Pakenham, deceased, who held in chief of us on the day he died, says that he is of full estate and seeks from us the lands and tenements, which are of his inheritance and in the custody of Thomas Mongomery [sic], knight, and Nicholas Parker. We well that Henry, who was born at Shropham in the aforesaid county, and baptised in the church of the same vill, should prove his age before you.
In 1472 there is the following de Banco entry which related to certain Pakenham family property in Staffordshire. It references Nicholas Parker, his wife Margaret, and Henry Pakenham:
‘Collections for a history of Staffordshire’, Vol. 4, published by Kendal, pp. 179-180, states the following with respect to Nicholas Parker. It is of considerable importance as it would seem to confirm that Nicholas Parker was married a second time to a Margaret (I propose Margaret Jermy) after his first wife Margaret Thurston:
“De Banco [of the Bench]. Easter 12 E. IV. [1472].
Staff. John Harecourt, armiger, William Cumberford, William Offeley, John Olyver, Thomas Cook, of Stafford, and John Salter sued Nicholas Parker, of Honyng, armiger, and Margaret, his wife, and Henry Packenham for 5 messuages, 8 tofts, a watermill, 5 carucates of land, 42 acres of meadow, 34 acres of wood, and 74s. of rent in Weverston (Worston), Bescote, Blumenhill, Whitgreve, Eccleshale, Little Bruggeford, Colton, Charleton, and Mefford, and the advowson of the church of Blumenhille, as their right and inheritance by the King's writ of right, John Harecourt, the son and heir of Robert Harecourt, knight, the lord of the fee, having remitted his court to the King, and they stated they had been seised of the tenements and advowson in the present King's reign, etc., and they offered to prove their right, etc.
The defendants appeared by attorney and defended their right, and called to warranty Robert Kyng, who was present in court and warranted the tenements and advowson to them. The plaintiffs then sued Robert Kyng as tenant under the warranty and repeated their plea. Robert defended his right and asked that a verdict might be taken, etc., and the plaintiffs then asked for an adjournment, which was granted. The defendant afterwards made default, and judgement was given in favor of the plaintiff's, m. 121, dorso. (1) ...
Staff. Nicholas Parker, armiger, sued Richard Fernehaugh, late of Aston, yoman, to render to him a reasonable account for the time he was the receiver of his money. Richard did not appear, and the Sheriff was ordered to arrest and produce him on the Quindene of Holy Trinity, m. 209, dorso.
(1) It must be remembered that all these suits on a writ of right of this date are collusive suits to obtain a recorded judgement.”
(source: http://archive.org/stream/newcollectionsforhi04stafuoft/newcollectionsforhi04stafuoft_djvu.txt)
Henry Pakenham’s IPM from 1483 states the following with respect to Nicholas Parker, among others:
“p. 24, Appendix E
C 141/3/34
Chancery: Inquisitions Post Mortem, Series I, Richard III
Pakenham, Henry Counties: Norf
1 Ric III
Writ
Richard [III] to the escheator in the county of Norfolk. Henry Pakenham, deceased.
Westminster, 23 August in the first year of the reign [1483].
Inquisition
[Generally legible, but with a small faded and stained section on the right.]
[Delivered into court] 21 October 1 Richard III [1483] by the hands of William Corbryge.
Norfolk.
At Hengh'm, 4 October 1 Richard III [1483].
Before Thomas Brampton', escheator in the aforesaid county, by the oath of Andrew Retherhithe, Alexander Ocley, Edmund Cowper', William Daine, Thomas Vincent, [.... ....] William Whipp', John Lichefeld', William Skyrbek', John Cok', Thomas Rypford', John Auger, John Dykeman and John Ledes.
They say that Henry Pakenh'm named in the writ was seised of 1 acre of land in Snyterton' in his demesne
as of fee and that Richard [?H.... held] of the same Henry 2 acres of land in Wilby by fealty, service and
rent of 1 penny a year and John Lost held of the same Henry 7 acres of land in Snyter[ton ...] and rent of 10
pence and 1 farthing a year and Thomas Hervy held of the same Henry 3 acres of land in the same [sic] by
fealty, service and rent [of ...]
which acre of land, rents and services Henry held of the lord Edward IV, late king, brother of the now lord
king [...]
200th part of 1 knight's fee and that Henry was seised of the acre of land, rents and services at the time of
his death.
The 1 acre of land is worth each year beyond reprises 4 pence.
And they say that John Bokenh'm had and received the issues and profits of the acre and rents and services
[from the time] of the death of the said Henry up to the time of the taking of this inquisition, by what right
or title the jurors do not know.
And furthermore they say that Nicholas Parker of Ho[n]yng in the county of Norfolk, esquire, John Jermy the younger, Thomas Jermy, brother of the same John, esquire, Thomas Banyard', gentleman, Thomas Toppesfeld', esquire, Thomas [Lam?]pette, esquire, and Master John Stanton', clerk, were seised of a certain manor and lands and tenements in Honyng, formerly of John Baxt[er], and also of those lands and tenements called Lombes, Wales and Drakes in the same vill, and of all the other lands and tenements which Nicholas purchased or in any other way ought to have in the vill of Honyng, Northwalsh[a]m, Worsted, Crosthwayte and Witton' in the aforesaid county, and being thus seised by a certain deed, shown to the jurors, granted to Henry Pakenh[a]m, son and heir of Robert Pakenh[a]m, esquire, deceased, an annual rent of 10 pounds, to have [and receive] to Henry and the heirs of his body lawfully begotten, annually at the feasts of Easter, the Nativity of St John the Baptist, St Michael and the Nativity of the lord by equal portions.
Henry was to have the right to distrain in the manor and tenements if the payment was in arrears by a month.
By virtue of which Henry was seised of the rent in his demesne as of fee, and Henry had issue Margaret, Elizabeth and Anne and died 6 February 20 Edward IV [1480/1], after whose death the rent descended to Margaret, Elizabeth and Anne as daughters and heirs of Henry. And they say that Margaret is of the age of 7 years and more, Elizabeth of 3 years and more and Anne is of the age of 2 years and more, and also that Margery, formerly the wife of the aforesaid Robert Pakenh'm received and had the said rent of 10 pounds from the time of the death of Henry to the time of the taking of this inquisition, by what right or title the jurors do not know.”
(source: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kell/pakenham_family7.pdf)
I am curious if anyone can shed any light on the following:
1. What would be the reason for, and nature of, the 1472 de Banco entry among Nicholas Parker, his wife Margaret, Henry Pakenham and John Harecourt et al in Staffordshire? This is post Henry coming of age in 1468 and, of particular interest, why is Nicholas’ wife a party? Is she perhaps a sibling or other relative of Henry Pakenham rather than a Jermy as purported and, hence, why she was included (although there is no other evidence to support this)? Alternatively, did the Honing (and vicinity) Norfolk property encumbered in favour of Henry Pakenham include her dower lands and hence somehow her interest in Henry Pakenham’s Staffordshire property dispute?
2. What would be the reason for, and nature of, the 10l/annum rent that Nicholas et al (including his 2 purported Jermy brothers-in-law) owed Henry Pakenham as secured against lands in Honing (and vicinity) Norfolk which were not known Pakenham family lands as referenced in Henry Pakenham’s 1483 IPM?
3. Lastly, any other suggestions as to how to more conclusively establish the identity of Nicholas’ wife Margaret as a Jermy (or otherwise) and that she is John Parker’s mother would be most appreciated.
Cheers,
Pete