Nicholas Bodrugan

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Nicholas Bodrugan

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j***@aol.com

2009-01-18 01:10:11 UTC

dear Newsgroup,

In James Edwin Cole's book, The Genealogy of the Family of Cole, of the County of Devon, 1876, London, p. 5 footnote,? Nicholas Bodrugan married and left a daughter and heir, who became the wife of Sir John Cole, of Nythway.? He quotes Segar remarking that, this match of Sir John Cole, Knt, with the daughter nd heiress of Nicholas Bodrugan and the descents following are proved by divers ancient Rolls, Books, and pedigrees, remaining? in the Office of Arms, London.

Looking for more informatrion on?Nicholas Bodrugan. ? Are these rolls and Books available?

Jim Malone

Louise Staley

2009-01-18 01:19:04 UTC

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Any chance of any dates on these people. I have some Bodrugans and
some Coles (unconnected at the moment). The Bodrugans are 13th and
early 14th century.

Louise

Post by j***@aol.com
dear Newsgroup,
In James Edwin Cole's book, The Genealogy of the Family of Cole, of the County of Devon, 1876, London, p. 5 footnote,? Nicholas Bodrugan married and left a daughter and heir, who became the wife of Sir John Cole, of Nythway.? He quotes Segar remarking that, this match of Sir John Cole, Knt, with the daughter nd heiress of Nicholas Bodrugan and the descents following are proved by divers ancient Rolls, Books, and pedigrees, remaining? in the Office of Arms, London.
Looking for more informatrion on?Nicholas Bodrugan. ? Are these rolls and Books available?
Jim Malone

Tony Hoskins

2009-01-18 01:29:05 UTC

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Dear Jim:

Wish I could help with Bodrugan question. I apologize for not-answering
your question with another question.

Is the Cole genealogy by chance available online? Haven't seen it. I
have a so far untraced Devonshire Cole line myself. My 11 greats
grandmother was a certain Elizabeth (Cole) Gorges (d.c.1608), wife of
Tristram Gorges (d. 1607), of St. Budeaux, Devon. I haven't yet looked
into her ancestry, only knowing she was a daughter of a certain Martin
Cole, of Cole Augur. Wondering if the genealogy you cite mentions this
line.

M.I. of interest in their regard:

ST. BUDEAUX. St. Budeaux or St. Budock. This small church dating from
about 1563 is situated on the top of a hill from which there are very
fine views of the surrounding country. It consists of nave, north and
south aisles, north and south porches, and west tower with six bells.
There is strictly speaking no chancel, the altar being raised on two
steps at the east end of the nave. The nave is the same length as the
aisles and is separated from them by three arches on each side resting
on granite pillars. The capital of the westernmost pier is different in
pattern to the others, the upper portion having simple carving. The
font, of granite, is small with a square top resting on an octagonal
shaft. The principal objects of interest which the church contains will
be found in the mural monuments, and an altar tomb at the east end of
the north aisle [plate 215b]. The latter is composed of slate and has
coats of arms on the front and sides. The slab has three coats of arms,
and the back has a coat of arms in the centre and the following
inscription:-

Roger Budockshead of Budockshead Esquire ob: 1576
Sir William Gorges Kn: ob: 1583
Dame Winifred Gorges, ob: 1599
Tristram Gorges of Budockshead Esq: ob: 1607
Mrs. Elizabeth Gorges ob: 1607
Restored 1881
Chiefly at the expense of the Historical Society
and Citizens of the state of Maine, U.S.A.,
in memory of Sir Ferdinando Gorges the first
Proprietor and Governor of that Province.
A.D. 1635
aided by some connections of the Gorges family
in England.

http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/StBudeaux/Stabb-StBudeaux.html

Many thanks for any info, and good luck with this project.

Best wishes,

Tony Hoskins

Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
Sonoma County Archivist
Sonoma County History and Genealogy Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404

707/545-0831, ext. 562

j***@yahoo.com

2009-01-19 03:21:03 UTC

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Post by Tony Hoskins
Wish I could help with Bodrugan question. I apologize for not-answering
your question with another question.
Is the Cole genealogy by chance available online? Haven't seen it. I
have a so far untraced Devonshire Cole line myself. My 11 greats
grandmother was a certain Elizabeth (Cole) Gorges (d.c.1608), wife of
Tristram Gorges (d. 1607), of St. Budeaux, Devon. I haven't yet looked
into her ancestry, only knowing she was a daughter of a certain Martin
Cole, of Cole Augur. Wondering if the genealogy you cite mentions this
line.
Best wishes,
Tony Hoskins
Anthony Hoskins
History, Genealogy and Archives Librarian
Sonoma County Archivist
Sonoma County History and Genealogy Library
3rd and E Streets
Santa Rosa, California 95404
707/545-0831, ext. 562

Google Books has two digitized version of an 1867 version of the Cole
genealogy, with the author's name as James Edwin-Cole (note the
hyphen). This appears to be the same edition that the FHL has in its
catalog - so perhaps the 1878 date is incorrect?

Here's one of them: [watch line wrap]
http://books.google.com/books?id=Ka1pAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0

There are a couple of Martin Coles mentioned but no Gorges. With
respect to the Cole who was the mother of Sir John Hody, this book
says that she was Elizabeth and that she was the wife, not mother, of
Sir John. Probably questionable....but it may be a clue as to how the
Hody connection links to the Cole family.

A very brief ancestry of Margaret Cole, usually said to be the mother
of Sir John Hody, was given in an article in TG 6:177-8. It says that
Margaret was the dau. of John Cole of Nitheway (d. by 1432) by his
wife Margaret NN, and that this John was son of William, of Nitheway.
I'm not entirely convinced of this ancestry since it only cites two
sources and the one that I've been able to check doesn't mention this
ancestry.

j***@yahoo.com

2009-01-19 03:42:15 UTC

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Post by j***@yahoo.com

Google Books has two digitized version of an 1867 version of the Cole
genealogy, with the author's name as James Edwin-Cole (note the
hyphen). This appears to be the same edition that the FHL has in its
catalog - so perhaps the 1878 date is incorrect?
Here's one of them: [watch line wrap]http://books.google.com/books?id=Ka1pAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&sour...
There are a couple of Martin Coles mentioned but no Gorges. With
respect to the Cole who was the mother of Sir John Hody, this book
says that she was Elizabeth and that she was the wife, not mother, of
Sir John. Probably questionable....but it may be a clue as to how the
Hody connection links to the Cole family.
A very brief ancestry of Margaret Cole, usually said to be the mother
of Sir John Hody, was given in an article in TG 6:177-8. It says that
Margaret was the dau. of John Cole of Nitheway (d. by 1432) by his
wife Margaret NN, and that this John was son of William, of Nitheway.
I'm not entirely convinced of this ancestry since it only cites two
sources and the one that I've been able to check doesn't mention this
ancestry.

One more note:

There is a Cole genealogy in vol. 6 of Archdall's edition of Lodge's
Peerage of Ireland, under the title of Viscount Enniskillen. This
item is available on Google Books at:

http://books.google.com/books?id=a00TAAAAYAAJ

At a quick glance, this version appears to agree, at least for the
Hody connection, with the version in James Edwin-Cole's book. Perhaps
the latter was derived from the former (at least in part)....

j***@yahoo.com

2009-01-19 03:45:08 UTC

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Post by j***@yahoo.com

Google Books has two digitized version of an 1867 version of the Cole
genealogy, with the author's name as James Edwin-Cole (note the
hyphen). This appears to be the same edition that the FHL has in its
catalog - so perhaps the 1878 date is incorrect?
Here's one of them: [watch line wrap]http://books.google.com/books?id=Ka1pAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&sour...
There are a couple of Martin Coles mentioned but no Gorges. With
respect to the Cole who was the mother of Sir John Hody, this book
says that she was Elizabeth and that she was the wife, not mother, of
Sir John. Probably questionable....but it may be a clue as to how the
Hody connection links to the Cole family.
A very brief ancestry of Margaret Cole, usually said to be the mother
of Sir John Hody, was given in an article in TG 6:177-8. It says that
Margaret was the dau. of John Cole of Nitheway (d. by 1432) by his
wife Margaret NN, and that this John was son of William, of Nitheway.
I'm not entirely convinced of this ancestry since it only cites two
sources and the one that I've been able to check doesn't mention this
ancestry.

There is a Cole genealogy in vol. 6 of Archdall's edition of Lodge's
Peerage of Ireland, under the title of Viscount Enniskillen. This
http://books.google.com/books?id=a00TAAAAYAAJ
At a quick glance, this version appears to agree, at least for the
Hody connection, with the version in James Edwin-Cole's book. Perhaps
the latter was derived from the former (at least in part)....

Oops...forgot to mention that the Cole genealogy in Archdall's Lodge
vol. 6 does have a rather lengthy footnote giving some ancestry for
Nicholas Bodrugan - dunno how accurate it is.

wjhonson

2009-01-20 04:10:06 UTC

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Post by j***@yahoo.com
There is a Cole genealogy in vol. 6 of Archdall's edition of Lodge's
Peerage of Ireland, under the title of Viscount Enniskillen. This
http://books.google.com/books?id=a00TAAAAYAAJ
At a quick glance, this version appears to agree, at least for the
Hody connection, with the version in James Edwin-Cole's book. Perhaps
the latter was derived from the former (at least in part)....

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I couldn't open this reference but I did a new search with these
parameters and was able to view the page here

http://books.google.com/books?id=z4oUAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA37

Will Johnson

wjhonson

2009-01-20 03:05:37 UTC

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Post by Tony Hoskins
Roger Budockshead of Budockshead Esquire ob: 1576
Sir William Gorges Kn: ob: 1583
Dame Winifred Gorges, ob: 1599
Tristram Gorges of Budockshead Esq: ob: 1607
Mrs. Elizabeth Gorges ob: 1607
Restored 1881
Chiefly at the expense of the Historical Society
and Citizens of the state of Maine, U.S.A.,
in memory of Sir Ferdinando Gorges the first
Proprietor and Governor of that Province.
A.D. 1635
aided by some connections of the Gorges family
in England.

One small correction.
Noting, that the above monument was *freshly* created by the
"Historical Society, etc etc." the burial register of St Budeaux is
extant and shows that Tristram, instead of being "ob 1607" as here,
actually was buried on 8 May 1608

I am suspicious because of the freshness of this marker, that we can
say that his wife Elizabeth Cole really did ob 1607 or whether or not
this should read either ob AFT 1607 or ob BEF 1607.

Is it known if Tristram left a will ? Perhaps he mentions her either
living or dead in it.

Will Johnson

Robert Forrest

2009-01-19 02:13:11 UTC

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For some time I have been trying to trace the ancestry of Margaret Cole
(c1375-bef. 1422) of Nethway, Brixham, Devon. She married Thomas Hody
(c1370-1422) and was the mother of Sir John Hody, Chief Justice of the
King's Bench (Dict. Nat. Biog.).