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More on the Ancestry of Harry Cust
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wjhonson
2019-08-23 18:41:05 UTC
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Some time ago W.A.R. wrote an article on the ancestry of the editor of the Pall Mall Gazette

http://www.wargs.com/noble/cust.html

There we see that the parents of that Mary Offley who m Robert Needham, 7th Viscount /Kilmorey/ are given as John Offley and Anne Crewe

There is not only an E3 ascent missing here, but also a Cecil ascent.

Mary Offley was bap 25 Sep 1684 Madeley, co Staff (Batch P009931 wj)
Her mother Anne Crewe was eldest daughter and eventual sole heiress of her father John /Crewe/ , esq by his first wife Carew /Gorges/

Anne was born in the time period 1645/1665. She married John Offley 24 Apr 1679 Utkinton, co Cest

John Offley bap 22 Jan 1651 Madeley, co Staff (Batch P009931 wj) was the son of John /Offley/ of Madeley, co Staff by his wife Mary /Broughton/

This Mary Broughton was the daughter of Frances Bagot, who was the daughter of Elizabeth Cave who was the daughter of Margaret CECIL daughter of Richard Cecil. This gives the Cecil ascent.

Meanwhile Anne Crewe was the daughter of Carew Gorges daughter of Sir Arthur Gorges, son of Elizabeth Clinton, daughter of Catherine Hastings.

This last Catherine Hastings was the daughter of Frances Earl of Huntingdon by his wife Catherine Pole, both of whom have E3 ascents.
John Higgins
2019-08-23 21:32:52 UTC
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Post by wjhonson
Some time ago W.A.R. wrote an article on the ancestry of the editor of the Pall Mall Gazette
http://www.wargs.com/noble/cust.html
There we see that the parents of that Mary Offley who m Robert Needham, 7th Viscount /Kilmorey/ are given as John Offley and Anne Crewe
There is not only an E3 ascent missing here, but also a Cecil ascent.
Mary Offley was bap 25 Sep 1684 Madeley, co Staff (Batch P009931 wj)
Her mother Anne Crewe was eldest daughter and eventual sole heiress of her father John /Crewe/ , esq by his first wife Carew /Gorges/
Anne was born in the time period 1645/1665. She married John Offley 24 Apr 1679 Utkinton, co Cest
John Offley bap 22 Jan 1651 Madeley, co Staff (Batch P009931 wj) was the son of John /Offley/ of Madeley, co Staff by his wife Mary /Broughton/
This Mary Broughton was the daughter of Frances Bagot, who was the daughter of Elizabeth Cave who was the daughter of Margaret CECIL daughter of Richard Cecil. This gives the Cecil ascent.
Meanwhile Anne Crewe was the daughter of Carew Gorges daughter of Sir Arthur Gorges, son of Elizabeth Clinton, daughter of Catherine Hastings.
This last Catherine Hastings was the daughter of Frances Earl of Huntingdon by his wife Catherine Pole, both of whom have E3 ascents.
The Cecil descent for Mary Offley (via her grandmother Mary Broughton) is shown in the Genealogics database:
https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00384656&tree=LEO&parentset=0&display=standard&generations=7
wjhonson
2019-08-24 01:59:13 UTC
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Leo has nothing on the husband Thomas Broughton

However the Broughton family are a very unusual case, where a family shows no less than 21 generations until you finally hit a royal, in their ascent, and that being Aethelred II, King of /England/ 978-1013 and 1014-1016; M
Royal Ancestry
2019-08-24 13:46:18 UTC
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Thomas Broughton (d. 1648) is son of Francis Broughton and Ellen Kinnersley (https://books.google.ro/books?id=ZfdRAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=francis+broughton+ellen+kinnersley&source=bl&ots=AsPMQcK-Fq&sig=ACfU3U0bI7TCWFUd1RYsxC54-iuM8n4cpg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiKxpDdy5vkAhVDyKQKHTObAG8Q6AEwDnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=francis%20broughton%20ellen%20kinnersley&f=false).

He is descended from Edward I:

*Edward I (1239-1307) &1254 Princess Eleanor de Castilla (1241-1290)*
Princess Joan of Acre (1272-1307) &1290 Gilbert de Clare, 7th Earl of Gloucester (1243-1295)
Lady Margaret de Clare (1293-1342) &1317 Hugh Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester (d. 1347)
Margaret Audley, 2nd Baroness Audley (d. 1349) & Ralph Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford (1301-1372)
Lady Beatrice Stafford (d. 1415) &1363 Thomas de Ros, 4th Baron de Ros (1335-1384)
William de Ros, 6th Baron de Ros (d. 1414) &1394 Hon. Margaret Fitzalan (d. 1438)
Hon. Margaret de Ros &1415 James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley (d. 1459)
Hon. Anne Tuchet (d. 1503) & Sir Thomas Dutton (1421-1459)
Margaret Dutton &1467 Thomas Aston (d. 1484)
Sir Richard Aston (d. 1529) & Douce Warburton
Richard Broughton & Catherine Aston
Thomas Broughton & Mary Roos
Francis Broughton & Ellen Kinnersley
*Thomas Broughton (d. 1648) &1618 Frances Bagot (1597-)*
Royal Ancestry
2019-08-24 13:47:13 UTC
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Thomas Broughton (d. 1648) is son of Francis Broughton and Ellen Kinnersley (https://books.google.ro/books?id=ZfdRAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=francis+broughton+ellen+kinnersley&source=bl&ots=AsPMQcK-Fq&sig=ACfU3U0bI7TCWFUd1RYsxC54-iuM8n4cpg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiKxpDdy5vkAhVDyKQKHTObAG8Q6AEwDnoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=francis%20broughton%20ellen%20kinnersley&f=false).

He is descended from Edward I:

Edward I (1239-1307) &1254 Princess Eleanor de Castilla (1241-1290)
Princess Joan of Acre (1272-1307) &1290 Gilbert de Clare, 7th Earl of Gloucester (1243-1295)
Lady Margaret de Clare (1293-1342) &1317 Hugh Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester (d. 1347)
Margaret Audley, 2nd Baroness Audley (d. 1349) & Ralph Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford (1301-1372)
Lady Beatrice Stafford (d. 1415) &1363 Thomas de Ros, 4th Baron de Ros (1335-1384)
William de Ros, 6th Baron de Ros (d. 1414) &1394 Hon. Margaret Fitzalan (d. 1438)
Hon. Margaret de Ros &1415 James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley (d. 1459)
Hon. Anne Tuchet (d. 1503) & Sir Thomas Dutton (1421-1459)
Margaret Dutton &1467 Thomas Aston (d. 1484)
Sir Richard Aston (d. 1529) & Douce Warburton
Richard Broughton & Catherine Aston
Thomas Broughton & Mary Roos
Francis Broughton & Ellen Kinnersley
Thomas Broughton (d. 1648) &1618 Frances Bagot (1597-)
Royal Ancestry
2019-08-24 13:52:31 UTC
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Thomas Broughton (d. 1648) is son of Francis Broughton and Ellen Kinnersley: https://books.google.ro/books?id=ZfdRAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq#v=onepage&q=thomas%20broughton&f=false

He is descended from Edward I:

Edward I (1239-1307) &1254 Princess Eleanor de Castilla (1241-1290)
Princess Joan of Acre (1272-1307) &1290 Gilbert de Clare, 7th Earl of Gloucester (1243-1295)
Lady Margaret de Clare (1293-1342) &1317 Hugh Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester (d. 1347)
Margaret Audley, 2nd Baroness Audley (d. 1349) & Ralph Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford (1301-1372)
Lady Beatrice Stafford (d. 1415) &1363 Thomas de Ros, 4th Baron de Ros (1335-1384)
William de Ros, 6th Baron de Ros (d. 1414) &1394 Hon. Margaret Fitzalan (d. 1438)
Hon. Margaret de Ros &1415 James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley (d. 1459)
Hon. Anne Tuchet (d. 1503) & Sir Thomas Dutton (1421-1459)
Margaret Dutton &1467 Thomas Aston (d. 1484)
Sir Richard Aston (d. 1529) & Douce Warburton
Richard Broughton & Catherine Aston
Thomas Broughton & Mary Roos
Francis Broughton & Ellen Kinnersley
Thomas Broughton (d. 1648) &1618 Frances Bagot (1597-)
Royal Ancestry
2019-08-24 13:55:04 UTC
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Thomas Broughton (d. 1648) is son of Francis Broughton and Ellen Kinnersley: https://books.google.ro/books?id=ZfdRAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq#v=onepage&q=thomas%20broughton&f=false

He is descended from Edward I:

Edward I (1239-1307) &1254 Princess Eleanor de Castilla (1241-1290)
Princess Joan of Acre (1272-1307) &1290 Gilbert de Clare, 7th Earl of Gloucester (1243-1295)
Lady Margaret de Clare (1293-1342) &1317 Hugh Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester (d. 1347)
Margaret Audley, 2nd Baroness Audley (d. 1349) & Ralph Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford (1301-1372)
Lady Beatrice Stafford (d. 1415) &1363 Thomas de Ros, 4th Baron de Ros (1335-1384)
William de Ros, 6th Baron de Ros (d. 1414) &1394 Hon. Margaret Fitzalan (d. 1438)
Hon. Margaret de Ros &1415 James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley (d. 1459)
Hon. Anne Tuchet (d. 1503) & Sir Thomas Dutton (1421-1459)
Margaret Dutton &1467 Thomas Aston (d. 1484)
Sir Richard Aston (d. 1529) & Douce Warburton
Catherine Aston & Richard Broughton
Thomas Broughton & Mary Roos
Francis Broughton & Ellen Kinnersley
Thomas Broughton (d. 1648) &1618 Frances Bagot (1597-)
Royal Ancestry
2019-08-24 13:55:55 UTC
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Thomas Broughton (d. 1648) is son of Francis Broughton and Ellen Kinnersley: https://books.google.ro/books?id=ZfdRAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq#v=onepage&q=thomas%20broughton&f=false

He is descended from Edward I:

Edward I (1239-1307) &1254 Princess Eleanor de Castilla (1241-1290)
Princess Joan of Acre (1272-1307) &1290 Gilbert de Clare, 7th Earl of Gloucester (1243-1295)
Lady Margaret de Clare (1293-1342) &1317 Hugh Audley, 1st Earl of Gloucester (d. 1347)
Margaret Audley, 2nd Baroness Audley (d. 1349) & Ralph Stafford, 1st Earl of Stafford (1301-1372)
Lady Beatrice Stafford (d. 1415) &1363 Thomas de Ros, 4th Baron de Ros (1335-1384)
William de Ros, 6th Baron de Ros (d. 1414) &1394 Hon. Margaret Fitzalan (d. 1438)
Hon. Margaret de Ros &1415 James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley (d. 1459)
Hon. Anne Tuchet (d. 1503) & Sir Thomas Dutton (1421-1459)
Margaret Dutton &1467 Thomas Aston (d. 1484)
Sir Richard Aston (d. 1529) & Douce Warburton
Catherine Aston & Richard Broughton
Thomas Broughton & Mary Roos
Francis Broughton & Ellen Kinnersley
Thomas Broughton (d. 1648) &1618 Frances Bagot (1597-)

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