Margaret Percy, wife of Sir Alan Fenwick, Knt. of Fenwick Tower in Northumberland

[Tim Cartmell]

Dear Listers,


Recently I discovered the Fenwick of Fenwick Tower pedigree within the Northumberland County History, Vol. 12, by author Madeleine Hope Dodds, published 1926.


The pedigree is of interest as it states that Sir Alan Fenwick, Knt. of Fenwick Tower in Northumberland was married to Margaret Percy, and that their son and heir, Sir Henry Fenwick, Knt. (of Cockermouth Castle, Cumberland, d: bef 14 Sept. 1459) was born 25 Dec. 1401 at Alnwick Castle, being baptised at St. Michael's, Alnwick, 26 Dec. 1401.


Could this Margaret Percy be perhaps the daughter of Sir Henry Percy, 1st Earl of Northumberland, by his wife Margaret Neville?


The references provided are: Inquest Post Mortem, 5 Henry VI, no. 74, abstracted from Archaeologia Aeliana, N.S. XXII, pg. 124, & De Banco Roll, 585, m. 503, d. - Arch. Ael., 3, S. VI., pg. 69.


Does anyone have access to these publications, and if so, what do the records actually state about this Margaret?


Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated.


Thanks,


Timothy J. Cartmell



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[John Watson]

Post by Tim Cartmell
Dear Listers,
Recently I discovered the Fenwick of Fenwick Tower pedigree within the Northumberland County History, Vol. 12, by author Madeleine Hope Dodds, published 1926.
The pedigree is of interest as it states that Sir Alan Fenwick, Knt. of Fenwick Tower in Northumberland was married to Margaret Percy, and that their son and heir, Sir Henry Fenwick, Knt. (of Cockermouth Castle, Cumberland, d: bef 14 Sept. 1459) was born 25 Dec. 1401 at Alnwick Castle, being baptised at St. Michael's, Alnwick, 26 Dec. 1401.
Could this Margaret Percy be perhaps the daughter of Sir Henry Percy, 1st Earl of Northumberland, by his wife Margaret Neville?
The references provided are: Inquest Post Mortem, 5 Henry VI, no. 74, abstracted from Archaeologia Aeliana, N.S. XXII, pg. 124, & De Banco Roll, 585, m. 503, d. - Arch. Ael., 3, S. VI., pg. 69.
Does anyone have access to these publications, and if so, what do the records actually state about this Margaret?
Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated.
Thanks,
Timothy J. Cartmell
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Hi Tim,

Archaeologia Aeliana, New Series, Vol. 22 is available online here:

http://www.openlibrary.org/details/archaeologiaaeli22sociuoft

Regards

John

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Post by Tim Cartmell
Dear Listers,
Recently I discovered the Fenwick of Fenwick Tower pedigree within the Northumberland County History, Vol. 12, by author Madeleine Hope Dodds, published 1926.
The pedigree is of interest as it states that Sir Alan Fenwick, Knt. of Fenwick Tower in Northumberland was married to Margaret Percy, and that their son and heir, Sir Henry Fenwick, Knt. (of Cockermouth Castle, Cumberland, d: bef 14 Sept. 1459) was born 25 Dec. 1401 at Alnwick Castle, being baptised at St. Michael's, Alnwick, 26 Dec. 1401.
Could this Margaret Percy be perhaps the daughter of Sir Henry Percy, 1st Earl of Northumberland, by his wife Margaret Neville?
The references provided are: Inquest Post Mortem, 5 Henry VI, no. 74, abstracted from Archaeologia Aeliana, N.S. XXII, pg. 124, & De Banco Roll, 585, m. 503, d. - Arch. Ael., 3, S. VI., pg. 69.
Does anyone have access to these publications, and if so, what do the records actually state about this Margaret?
Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated.
Thanks,
Timothy J. Cartmell
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Hi Tim,
http://www.openlibrary.org/details/archaeologiaaeli22sociuoft
Regards
John- Hide quoted text -
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I tried the above URL and only got a nice picture of blank pages
except for a single faint stamp on one that read "Royal
[unreadable]". Is there a trick to turning the pages? Bronwen

[John Watson]

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Post by John Watson

Post by Tim Cartmell
Dear Listers,
Recently I discovered the Fenwick of Fenwick Tower pedigree within the Northumberland County History, Vol. 12, by author Madeleine Hope Dodds, published 1926.
The pedigree is of interest as it states that Sir Alan Fenwick, Knt. of Fenwick Tower in Northumberland was married to Margaret Percy, and that their son and heir, Sir Henry Fenwick, Knt. (of Cockermouth Castle, Cumberland, d: bef 14 Sept. 1459) was born 25 Dec. 1401 at Alnwick Castle, being baptised at St. Michael's, Alnwick, 26 Dec. 1401.
Could this Margaret Percy be perhaps the daughter of Sir Henry Percy, 1st Earl of Northumberland, by his wife Margaret Neville?
The references provided are: Inquest Post Mortem, 5 Henry VI, no. 74, abstracted from Archaeologia Aeliana, N.S. XXII, pg. 124, & De Banco Roll, 585, m. 503, d. - Arch. Ael., 3, S. VI., pg. 69.
Does anyone have access to these publications, and if so, what do the records actually state about this Margaret?
Any comments or suggestions would be most appreciated.
Thanks,
Timothy J. Cartmell
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Hi Tim,
http://www.openlibrary.org/details/archaeologiaaeli22sociuoft
Regards
John- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I tried the above URL and only got a nice picture of blank pages
except for a single faint stamp on one that read "Royal
[unreadable]". Is there a trick to turning the pages? Bronwen

Hi Bronwen

Click on the small picture - top left which will download the document
as a "flip book", or click on the text line that says flip book - all
will be revealed. Click on the right page in the view to start
"flipping" or turning the pages.

Regards,

John

[Tim Cartmell]

Dear John & Listers,

Thanks for the link information, much appreciated. The De Banco Roll reference can also be found in this digital library, under Vol. 6, naming Henry Fenwick's mother as Margaret in 1407.

The Inquest Post Mortem is certainly interesting in the fact that there were a few members of the Percy family present at Henry's baptism. The witness in 1426 stated,

"Robert Swynburn, aged 50, came into the curch and prosecutus fuit unam billam Henrico comiti Northumbrie, last deceased, one of Henry's godfathers, at the time of his baptism."

For the Latin experts, am I correct in thinking that this statement reads that the old earl himself was present at Henry Fenwick's baptism?

"Laurence de Acton (48) was in the church and saw Henry Percy d' Athell his other godfather, give him directly he had been baptised, a silver cup with a cover, and to his nurse 6s. 8d."

"William Elison (50) saw Thomas Percy, Knight give to Henry directly he had been baptised, 40s. and to his nurse 6s. 8d. for joy of his birth."

Just one further comment, in the published book, Kings in the North, The House of Percy in British History, by author Alexander Rose, published 2002, states that "Henry Percy's wife Margaret Neville died mid May 1372, possibly due to the conditions of child birth, specifically twins named Alan and Margaret, however nothing further is known about them."

It is certainly chronologically plausible that the earl's daughter Margaret b: 1372 could have been the mother of Sir Henry Fenwick, Knt., the Sheriff of Northumberland and Cumberland.

Thanks,

Timothy J. Cartmell


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[Tim Cartmell]

Dear Listers,

Just a follow up to my previous message regarding Margaret Percy, wife of Sir Alan Fenwick of Fenwick Tower, mother of Sir Henry Fenwick, this is what I discovered searching through Google Books;

http://books.google.com/books?id=QCcSAAAAIAAJ&dq=alan+fenwick+wife+margaret&q=alan+fenwick&pgis=1

Thanks,

Timothy J. Cartmell


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[WJhonson]

That's interesting.
Doing a search
http://books.google.com/books?um=1&q=%22Sir+Henry+Fenwick%22&lr=&sa=N&start=10

shows that the three co-heirs of Sir Henry Fenwick were Mary the wife of John Huddleston of Milom; Margaret the wife of John Denton and Elizabeth the wife of Sir Christopher Moresby

[Tim Cartmell]

See the following web-link to Archaeologia Aeliana, Vol. 6 that John Watson put me onto. Go to pages 82 & 83. De Banco Rolls, 11 Henry VII (1496) m. 296. Shows Alan Heton, Knt. pedigree and the co-heiress, daughters of Sir Henry Fenwick.

http://www.openlibrary.org/details/archaeologiaaeli06sociuoft

The six daughters of Sir Henry Fenwick of Northumberland were:

1). Margaret who married John Denton (d: 1493) of the Cardew Dentons, lords of Ainstable in Cumberland. This John was deprived of Ainstable by Thomas, Lord Dacre; he later acquired Lowlick Tower, nr. Fenwick in Northumberland. Source: CWAAS, Cumberland Families and Heraldry, 1978, pgs. 87, 109.

2). Elizabeth, 2nd daughter, married Sir Christopher Moresby (d: 1499) of Distington and Moresby in Cumberland. Source: CWAAS, Cumberland Families and Heraldry, 1978, pgs. 109, 232.

3). Mary, 3rd daughter, married Sir John Hudleston (d: 1494)of Millom in Cumberland. Source: CWAAS, Cumberland Families and Heraldry, 1978, pgs. 109, 170.

In the Millom Church stands their altar tomb which I have personally viewed when visiting in Cumbria. On the tomb there is a plaque which reads, " The Altar Tomb is that of John Hudleston (ob. 1494) and his wife Mary (3rd daughter and co-heiress of Henry Fenwick (ob. abt 1459) of Northumberland) and it carries at it's head the arms of Hudleston and Fenwick, while it's sides carry the arms of Leigh of Isell, Curwen, Pennington, and other families with whom the sons and daughters of Sir John and Mary inter-married, besides some coats of earlier inter-marriages of the Hudleston family."

4). Eleanor, married Sir Thomas Lamplugh of Lamplugh in Cumberland (was the High Sheriff of Cumberland 1464). Source: CWAAS, Cumberland Families and Heraldry, 1978, pgs. 109, 194.

5). Joan, married John Skelton (b. c. 1438) of Armathwaite Castle in Hesket, Cumberland. Source: CWAAS, Cumberland Families and Heraldry, 1978, pgs. 109, 309.

6). Anne, married John Radcliffe (living in 1509) of the Derwentwater Radcliffes, lords of Derwentwater (was the High Sheriff of Cumberland in 1507). Source: CWAAS, Cumberland Families and Heraldry, 1978, pgs. 109, 271.

These Fenwick daughters would have been good marriage prospects, being the great granddaughters of Sir Henry Percy, earl of Northumberland, and his wife Margaret Neville, both who carried the royal blood.

Timothy J. Cartmell


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