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William de Burgh / Isabel Plantagenet ?
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W***@aol.com
2004-04-27 17:49:33 UTC
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OK again on the nomenclature here are variations on this man's name (father of Richard de Burgh, Justiciar)

1) Adelm William Mortagne
2) William Fitzadelm de Burgo
3) William de Burgh
4) William de Burgh, Lord of Connaught
5) William, Lord of Connaught de Burgh
6) William FitzAndelm de Burgh Lord of Connaught

On his wife, I have read in the archives of this list that Plantagenet is an anachronism. That is, some historians have back-labeled this house as Plantagenet when the people themselves did not use that name in their documents until much later. So it is still acceptable to call her Plantagenet? or is it more acceptable to simply call her Isabel of England ? Or Princess Isabel of England? Or something like that.
Thank you
Will Johnson
Todd A. Farmerie
2004-04-27 19:17:24 UTC
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Post by W***@aol.com
OK again on the nomenclature here are variations on this man's name (father of Richard de Burgh, Justiciar)
1) Adelm William Mortagne
2) William Fitzadelm de Burgo
3) William de Burgh
4) William de Burgh, Lord of Connaught
5) William, Lord of Connaught de Burgh
6) William FitzAndelm de Burgh Lord of Connaught
The first is nonsense. As to the others, keep in mind that this was a
period when surnames were first beginning to be adopted, and to suggest
that there is a single right way to refer to someone is not accurate.
This man was named William. He was from Burgh. He was son of Adelelm.
He was lord of Connaught. So, de Burgh, Fitz Adelelm, and Lord of
Connaught are all appropriate ways to refer to him.
Post by W***@aol.com
On his wife, I have read in the archives of this list that Plantagenet is an anachronism. That is, some historians have back-labeled this house as Plantagenet when the people themselves did not use that name in their documents until much later. So it is still acceptable to call her Plantagenet? or is it more acceptable to simply call her Isabel of England ? Or Princess Isabel of England? Or something like that.
Plantagenet is an anachronism. The woman (if she existed) had no
surname. (As to Princess, that is not the form usually used for an
illegitimate child of a monarch.)

taf

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