Sandford - Shropshire (Again)

J. Sardina

2021-06-20 00:44:50 UTC

Repost.
In Burke’s “A GENEALOGY AND HERALDIC HISTORYOF THE
COMMONERS OF GREAT BRITAIN AND IRELAND VOL. II (2nd
edition). it
states that “THOMAS SANDFORD, of the Lee, living 33rd
HENRY VI. and 5th EDWARD IV. was father of WILLIAM
SANDFORD, of the Lee, who married Sibilla, daughter
and co-heir of Sir Fulke Springseaux, knt. of Plash,
sheriff of Salop in 1447.”
However, in Volume 27 of the Harleian Society’s
Visitation of Shropshire - Hugh Sandford, who came of
a second brother of Sandford of Sanford Hall is listed
as the father of William Sandford of Lee. Any
thoughts as to which “source” is correct.

It looks like they are different branches of the same family
one branch being of The Lee and the other being of Sandford
Hall.
In Burke's Landed Gentry, 1898, under
NICHOLAS Sandford, of Calverhall, 3rd son of Nicholas
Sandford, Lord of Sandford (see Sandford of Sandford)
obtained, 1426, a grant of The Lee, near Whitchurch, to
himself and his son Thomas. Nicholas's son, the said
THOMAS Sandford, of The Lee, living 33 Henry VI and 5 Edward
IV, was father of
WILLIAM Sandford, of The Lee, m Sibilla [etc, as you have,
above]
SANDFORD OF SANDFORD
Family seat in 1898, Sandford Hall, Whitechurch, Salop, in
the family since the Conquest
There then follows a long descent from a Sandford in the
Battle Abbey Roll (see the archives) with sources until we
NICHOLAS de Sandford, son and heir of Richard, held his
estates by serjeany [etc]. Married Alice, dau of William,
1. Richard, his heir
2. Griffin, father of William
3. Nicholas of The Lee, Salop, ancestor of Sandford of the
Isle of Rossall.

Also, the Visitation lists Thomas Broughton de
Broughton as marrying Jocosa, daughter of Hugonis
Sandford militis. Son of this marriage being Joh’is
Broughton de Broughton, who married Matilda, heiress
of Joh’is Collyns (Brocton). Wondering if this
Hugonis is the same as referenced above for the father
of William of Lee?

A grandson of Richard (who married Maude, dau and heir of
William le Banaster, Lord of Hadnal) was Richard Sandford of
Sandford. He died in 1520 having married Jane dau and
co-heir of Humphrey Peshall, of Knightley, Staffs, and had
five sons and eight daus, of whom one dau was Margaret who
married Richard Broughton of Broughton, and one of the sons
was Hugh Sandford of Sandford (but no son called William or
daughter called Jocosa are mentioned)
This plainly isn't the same Broughton but it could be worth
pursuing to see if there could be a connection.
Renia

Comments and direction please.
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Hello,
I was reading various postings on different families from Shropshire, and in particular of those with connections to Ightfield or Whitchurch.
I very recently finally managed to consult some imperfect images of a document prepared between 1558 and 1559 with genealogical and heraldic information going back a few generations for a certain family residing at Ightfield in the first half of that century.
Of the few names that can be read from these images, there is one William Sanford, armiger. No date is given. There is a place but if so, it is unreadable. His wife appears to be a Brereton, daughter of a knight whose name is not clearly readable, but may be Ranulph. Again, no dates are given.
However, daughter of this couple married another esquire, possibly residing at Ightfield. His surname can to be read again, but his coat of arms shows some interesting quarters that may include one similar to Peshall. His paternal side's arms are very similar to one set of Lee arms, matching the colors, but showing 6 or 7 billets.
However, his surname can not be Lee because his daughter is shown with a surname similar to Incton, but since none of the letters are clear it is impossible to tell what it was. The last part seems to end in Ton or Son, and the first letter may be J, I or even T. She must have been born around 1490, or a little earlier since a younger son was born around 1515 or 20 at the latest, and he was not the eldest son. The second son, John Cuerton, moved to Bilbao and obtained a certification of arms in 1559, which survives to this date, and whose images became available in 2020 when the original set of documents was placed for sale.
I am wondering if this William Sandford might be of the lines mentioned above.
There is also, in the Visitation of Shropshire of 1623, in volume 1, in the tree for Horne, one Margeria, daughter of ...Lee de Whittchurch, wife of Reginaldus Horne, esq. de Pikesbuy. I am wondering if this Lee family has been identified.
I have been going through the published visitations and other online resources, but trying to match these individuals to their corresponding families from the 14th and 15th centuries may be a very tall task.
J. Sardina

Please note that the TAF graciously has spent quite some effort and trouble on looking at the Cuerton's ancestry as depicted in his recently found recognition of arms. As far as i know, there is no other source for the Sandford Brereton marriage, and that estimated his dates back from his great-grandson, this William may have been born in the early 15th century. As TAF mentioned in the thread on the Cuerton arms, William may have been the son of Griffin, and I guess he may have been the father of another William.

J. Sardina