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Extended ancestry of Thomas Greene, Esq. (died 1652), Governor of Maryland
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Douglas Richardson
2012-01-06 20:39:05 UTC
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Dear Newsgroup ~

Thomas Greene, Esquire (died 1652), an early colonial Governor of
Maryland, was baptized at Bobbing, Kent 27 March 1609/10, being the
elder son of Thomas Greene, Gent., of Bobbing, Kent, by his wife,
Margaret. Governor Greene immigrated to Maryland in 1634 in the Ark
and Dove expedition, where he settled in the town of St. Mary’s in St.
Mary’s County.

Governor Greene's paternal grandfather, Robert Greene, Gent., of
Bobbing, Kent, left a PCC will dated 1591, in which he named his wife,
Frances [Darrell], as his executrix, and mentioned his brothers, Henry
Darrell, Esq., of Scotney, and Norton Greene, Esq., of London.

Robert Greene (died 1591) in turn is stated by Hasted, the Kent
historian, to have been a younger son of Thomas Norton otherwise
Greene, Gent., of Ham (or West Court) (in Upchurch) and Frogenhall (in
Tenham), Kent [see Hasted Hist. of Kent 6 (1798): 24–34, 201–202,
288].

Specifically Hasted in Vol. 6, pg. 288 states the following:

"Thomas Norton, alias Green, being the natural son of Sir John Norton
before-mentioned, the former possessor of this manor [Frogenhall in
Tenham]. He died in the 6th year of king Edward VI. [1552-3] leaving
two sons, Norton Green, .... and Robert Green, gent., who was of
Bobbing, whose descendants settled in Ireland.” END OF QUOTE.

The above material may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=zC0tAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA288

Various online sources states that Thomas Norton, alias Greene [died
1552-3], married Alice Heveningham, daughter of George Heveningham,
Esq. (died 1530), by Margaret, daughter of John Burgoyne. There is a
reference to the marriage of Thomas and Alice in the published
Visitations of Cambridgeshire as follows:

Cooke & St. George Vis. of Cambridge 1575 & 1619 (H.S.P. 41) (1897):
24–26 (Burgoyne ped.: “Allice [Heveningham] d. & Coheire ux. Thom.
Norton alias Greene of Kent.”).

There is a transcript of an undated petition published in Topographer
and Genealogist, 3 (1858): 100 which proves that George Heveningham's
wife, Margaret, was a sister and co-heiress of Thomas Burgoyne
deceased. This petition may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=NKlWAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA100

There is additional information of George Heveningham and his wife,
Margaret Burgoyne, and their daughter, Alice Green, in VCH Cambridge 9
(1989): 131-133, which may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=15360&strquery=George%20Heveningham#n28

As for Thomas Norton alias Greene [died 1552-3], Hasted the Kent
historian states that he was an illegitimate son of Sir John Norton,
of Northwood (in Milton), Kent.

There were two successive Sir John Norton's, father and son, in this
family. The elder Sir John Norton would seem to be the right
individual. He was of Northwood (in Milton) and Faversham, Kent and
died in 1534. He married (1st) Joan (or Jane) Northwood, daughter and
co-heiress of John Northwood, Esq., and (2nd) Joan (or Jane) Hornby
(died 1535), widow of Sir Richard Fitz Lewis.

There is information on Sir John Norton (died 1534) in Trans. Essex
Arch. Soc. n.s.6 (1898): 44–45, which may viewed at the following
weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=KZUWAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA44

As for the younger Sir John Norton, I find that he was of Northwood
(in Milton), Kent. He was born by 1512. He was Burgess (M.P.) for
Rochester in 1553. He died in 1557. He was the son and heir of Sir
John Norton the elder, by his 1st wife, Joan Northwood. There are
two published biographies of him in print:

Bindoff, House of Commons 1509–1558 3 (1982): 26–27, which may be
viewed at the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=u_eIrJpc_T0C&pg=RA1-PA26

Mayer & Walters Corr. of Reginald Pole 4 (2008): 385, which may be
viewed at the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=_daeDoWdQ0cC&pg=PA385

Reviewing the chronology, I see it is barely possible for Thomas
Norton alias Greene to have been an illegitimate son of either Sir
John Norton the younger (died 1557), or his father Sir John Norton the
elder (died 1534). Bindoff, however, indicates that Sir John Norton
the younger left a will dated 1557 in which he named an only son,
Thomas. Thomas Norton alias Greene, on the other hand, is stated by
Hasted to have died in 1552-3. If correct, then Thomas Norton alias
Greene is probably not the Thomas Norton who was the son of Sir John
Norton the younger, but rather Sir John the younger's illegitimate
brother. Further research would likely resolve this matter one way or
the other.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Douglas Richardson
2012-01-07 02:08:56 UTC
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Dear Newsgroup ~

As a followup to my earlier post on Thomas Greene, Esq. (died 1652),
Governor of Maryland, I should note that that a certain Norton Greene,
Gent., was committed to prison as a recusant by Mr. Young 8th
September 1586. See Miscellanea II (Pubs. of the Catholic Rec. Soc.
2) (1906): 268, which record may be viewed at the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=mUojAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA268

I presume this Norton Greene, Gent. is the same person as Norton
Greene, Esq., "of London" who was styled "brother" in the will of the
immigrant's grandfather, Robert Greene, of Bobbing, Kent proved in
1591. This record would indicate that at least one member of the
Greene family was of the Catholic persuasion. Hasted mentions Norton
Greene, brother of Robert, in his work on Kent.

Gov. Thomas Greene's ancestor, George Heveningham, Esq. (born c. 1469,
died 1530) was the younger son of John Heveningham, Knt. (died 1499),
of Heveningham, Suffolk, South Ockendon, Essex, etc., by his 2nd wife,
Alice (died 1473), daughter and co-heiress of Henry (or Harry) Bruyn,
Knt. (died 1461), of Rowner, Hampshire, South Ockendon, Essex, etc.,
Sheriff of Hampshire, 1446–7, 1458–9, Steward of the Isle of Wight,
Burgess (M.P.) for Portsmouth. For George Heveningham's place as
Alice Bruyn's son, see Richmond, John Hopton (1981): 239, which may
viewed at the following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y0hkh_WD01oC&pg=PA239

George Heveningham is likewise identified as a son of Alice Bruyn in
the Brune family pedigree published in St. George et al. Vis. of
Dorset 1623 (H.S.P. 20) (1885): 21–22, which may be viewed at the
following weblink:

http://books.google.com/books?id=zCgEAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA22

For Alice Bruyn's lineal descent from Hugh le Despenser, Knt., Earl of
Winchester, and his wife, Isabel le Despenser, see Magna Carta
Ancestry (2nd ed., 2011).

For further particulars on Gov. Greene's immediate family and extended
ancestry, see Plantagenet Ancestry (2nd ed., 2011) and Magna Carta
Ancestry (2nd ed., 2011).

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt City Utah, Utah
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2019-06-30 16:11:14 UTC
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Post by Douglas Richardson
Dear Newsgroup ~
Thomas Greene, Esquire (died 1652), an early colonial Governor of
Maryland, was baptized at Bobbing, Kent 27 March 1609/10, being the
elder son of Thomas Greene, Gent., of Bobbing, Kent, by his wife,
Margaret. Governor Greene immigrated to Maryland in 1634 in the Ark
and Dove expedition, where he settled in the town of St. Mary’s in St.
Mary’s County.
Governor Greene's paternal grandfather, Robert Greene, Gent., of
Bobbing, Kent, left a PCC will dated 1591, in which he named his wife,
Frances [Darrell], as his executrix, and mentioned his brothers, Henry
Darrell, Esq., of Scotney, and Norton Greene, Esq., of London.
Robert Greene (died 1591) in turn is stated by Hasted, the Kent
historian, to have been a younger son of Thomas Norton otherwise
Greene, Gent., of Ham (or West Court) (in Upchurch) and Frogenhall (in
Tenham), Kent [see Hasted Hist. of Kent 6 (1798): 24–34, 201–202,
288].
"Thomas Norton, alias Green, being the natural son of Sir John Norton
before-mentioned, the former possessor of this manor [Frogenhall in
Tenham]. He died in the 6th year of king Edward VI. [1552-3] leaving
two sons, Norton Green, .... and Robert Green, gent., who was of
Bobbing, whose descendants settled in Ireland.” END OF QUOTE.
http://books.google.com/books?id=zC0tAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA288
Various online sources states that Thomas Norton, alias Greene [died
1552-3], married Alice Heveningham, daughter of George Heveningham,
Esq. (died 1530), by Margaret, daughter of John Burgoyne. There is a
reference to the marriage of Thomas and Alice in the published
24–26 (Burgoyne ped.: “Allice [Heveningham] d. & Coheire ux. Thom.
Norton alias Greene of Kent.”).
There is a transcript of an undated petition published in Topographer
and Genealogist, 3 (1858): 100 which proves that George Heveningham's
wife, Margaret, was a sister and co-heiress of Thomas Burgoyne
http://books.google.com/books?id=NKlWAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA100
There is additional information of George Heveningham and his wife,
Margaret Burgoyne, and their daughter, Alice Green, in VCH Cambridge 9
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=15360&strquery=George%20Heveningham#n28
As for Thomas Norton alias Greene [died 1552-3], Hasted the Kent
historian states that he was an illegitimate son of Sir John Norton,
of Northwood (in Milton), Kent.
There were two successive Sir John Norton's, father and son, in this
family. The elder Sir John Norton would seem to be the right
individual. He was of Northwood (in Milton) and Faversham, Kent and
died in 1534. He married (1st) Joan (or Jane) Northwood, daughter and
co-heiress of John Northwood, Esq., and (2nd) Joan (or Jane) Hornby
(died 1535), widow of Sir Richard Fitz Lewis.
There is information on Sir John Norton (died 1534) in Trans. Essex
Arch. Soc. n.s.6 (1898): 44–45, which may viewed at the following
http://books.google.com/books?id=KZUWAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA44
As for the younger Sir John Norton, I find that he was of Northwood
(in Milton), Kent. He was born by 1512. He was Burgess (M.P.) for
Rochester in 1553. He died in 1557. He was the son and heir of Sir
John Norton the elder, by his 1st wife, Joan Northwood. There are
Bindoff, House of Commons 1509–1558 3 (1982): 26–27, which may be
http://books.google.com/books?id=u_eIrJpc_T0C&pg=RA1-PA26
Mayer & Walters Corr. of Reginald Pole 4 (2008): 385, which may be
http://books.google.com/books?id=_daeDoWdQ0cC&pg=PA385
Reviewing the chronology, I see it is barely possible for Thomas
Norton alias Greene to have been an illegitimate son of either Sir
John Norton the younger (died 1557), or his father Sir John Norton the
elder (died 1534). Bindoff, however, indicates that Sir John Norton
the younger left a will dated 1557 in which he named an only son,
Thomas. Thomas Norton alias Greene, on the other hand, is stated by
Hasted to have died in 1552-3. If correct, then Thomas Norton alias
Greene is probably not the Thomas Norton who was the son of Sir John
Norton the younger, but rather Sir John the younger's illegitimate
brother. Further research would likely resolve this matter one way or
the other.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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