Michael Picot of Doddington, Lincolnshire

[John Watson]

Dear all,

The parentage of Michael Picot of Doddington, (aka Doddington-Pigot)
Lincolnshire who married Joan Wake, heiress of one-ninth of the barony
of Beauchamp of Bedford is apparently unknown, at least in all of the
works I have consulted (including those of Mr. Richardson).

I recently came across an interesting "snippet" on Google books which
gives the name of his father:
"Ela Wake was succeeded by three daughters, (i) Joan, who married
first Michael son of Robert Pycot, whence Baldwin Pycot, whence the
said John Pycot, and second Ralph Paynel, whose surname she afterwards
used..."
Calendar of Memoranda Rolls (Exchequer): Michaelmas 1326-Michaelmas
1327 (HMSO: 1968) p. 166

Apparently Michael Picot was the son of Robert Picot, although exactly
who this Robert was is difficult to determine. He could possibly be
the son of the Sir John Picot who presented Hugh Picot to the church
of Doddington on 4 February 1273 [1]. A John son of Hugh Pygot occurs
in a final concord in Lincolnshire in 1246 [2]. Earlier presentations
to Doddington were made in 1222 and 1229 by Sir Hugh Picot [3].
Between 1191 and 1200, William Postard, Abbot of Westminster, granted
the manor of Doddington, in fee and inheritance, to "his knight
William Picot" [4]. William Picot was disputing the advowsons of the
churches of Doddington and Thorp [on the Hill] with the next Abbot of
Westminster in 1205 [5], a case which he obviously won.

Coming back to Michael Picot. He married Joan Wake some time after
January 1267, when on the partition of the lands of John de Beauchamp
between his heirs, Joan, Ida and Isabel (Elizabeth) daughters of Ela
Wake are mentioned in the Close Rolls, but who were all apparently
unmarried [6]. He had married Joan before 1275 when the inquisition
post mortem of Hugh Gobion found that Hugh died holding Higham Gobion
and Streatley in Bedfordshire (both Beauchamp manors) of Michael Pikot
[7]. Michael was dead before 12 November 1278 when "Joan, late the
wife of Michael Pycot" is mentioned in the Close Rolls [8]. She
afterwards married Ralph Paynel who died shortly before 14 March 1318
holding the manor of Cardington, Bedfordshire "by the courtesy of
England of the inheritance of Joan sometime his wife" [9].

Michael and Joan had three children, Baldwin (named after his maternal
grandfather) and John (named after his paternal grandfather?) and a
daughter Lora who married Gerard Braybrook (d. ca 1326). Baldwin was
alive in 1303 when he is mentioned in the Patent Rolls in connection
with the manor of Doddington [10] and possibly in 1305 when Baldwin
Pygod of the county of Lincoln appears in the Fine Rolls [11]. Baldwin
was succeeded by his son John who was born about 1290 (aged 24 at the
i.p.m of his great aunt Elizabeth Wake in 1314 [12] and 27 at the
i.p.m. of Ralph Paynel in 1318). John, son of Baldwin Picot died
shortly before 24 March 1337, holding Doddington and Thorpe,
Lincolnshire and Cardington, Bedfordshire and leaving a son John, aged
23 as his heir [13]. In 1315, John son of Baldwin Picot had demised
the manor of Renhold, Bedfordshire to his uncle John [14].

All of these relationships are shown in the foundation charter of a
chantry in Renhold by John, son of Michael Picot in which many of his
relatives (dead and alive) are mentioned [I have expanded the
abbreviated text a bit]:

4 April 1336, Ordination of a Chantry by John Pycot, son of Michael
Pycot, Kt., for the souls of King Edward, the said John and Michael
his father, and Johan his mother, Baldwyn his brother, Johan his
(founder's) wife, John Pycot his nephew (nepos), and Alianor his wife,
Johan daughter of John Pycot and Matilda his wife, Sir John Wake, and
John his son, Sir Thomas Wake, Elizabeth Wake, Elizabeth Latymer,
William de Kyme, H. Picot, Isabella de Staunton, Lora de Braibrok,
John Paynel de Gobion, Robert de Braibrok, Ralph Picot, John son of
Adam Picot, John de Crungleford, of Southgevel, and William, late
Vicar of Ronhall [15].

I'd be grateful if anyone could add some more flesh to these bare
bones of a Picot pedigree.

Regards,

John

Sources:
1. R. E. G. Cole, The Registers of Doddington-Pigot, co. Lincoln,
1562-1812 (London: 1898) p. viii
2. Final Concords of the County of Lincoln: 1244-1272 (1920), pp.
33-51
3. Canterbury & York Society, Vol. 4, Rotuli Hugonis de Welles, Vol.
III (London: 1907) p. 168
4. 'Charters of the abbots: William Postard (nos. 307-26)',
Westminster Abbey Charters, 1066 - c.1214: London Record Society 25
(1988), pp. 160-175
5. Curia Regis Rolls, Vol. 4, pp. 13, 45–6, 48
6. Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: volume 13: 1264-1268 (1937),
pp. 279-289
7. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 2, p. 78, No. 115 (Hugh
Gobyun)
8. Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward I: volume 1: 1272-1279 (1900), p.
484
9. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 6, p. 68, No. 104 (Ralph
Paynel)
10. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 1, Vol. 4, p. 190
11. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 1, p. 510
12. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 5, p. 243, No. 431
(Elizabeth Wake)
13. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 8, p. 82, No. 137 (John
son of Baldwin Pycot)
14. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 2, Vol. 2, p. 291
15. All Saints Church Renhold Website, citing: Lincoln Diocesan
Registers by F. A. Page-Turner

[Peter Stewart]

Post by John Watson
Dear all,
The parentage of Michael Picot of Doddington, (aka Doddington-Pigot)
Lincolnshire who married Joan Wake, heiress of one-ninth of the
barony of Beauchamp of Bedford is apparently unknown, at least in all
of the works I have consulted (including those of Mr. Richardson).

Surely nothing is "apparently unknown" in the work of Richardson - maybe
some things are more apparently known than others, but that is all.

Peter Stewart

[Philip Cheyney]

Post by John Watson
Dear all,
The parentage of Michael Picot of Doddington, (aka Doddington-Pigot)
Lincolnshire who married Joan Wake, heiress of one-ninth of the barony
of Beauchamp of Bedford is apparently unknown, at least in all of the
works I have consulted (including those of Mr. Richardson).
I recently came across an interesting "snippet" on Google books which
"Ela Wake was succeeded by three daughters, (i) Joan, who married
first Michael son of Robert Pycot, whence Baldwin Pycot, whence the
said John Pycot, and second Ralph Paynel, whose surname she afterwards
used..."
Calendar of Memoranda Rolls (Exchequer): Michaelmas 1326-Michaelmas
1327 (HMSO: 1968) p. 166
Apparently Michael Picot was the son of Robert Picot, although exactly
who this Robert was is difficult to determine. He could possibly be
the son of the Sir John Picot who presented Hugh Picot to the church
of Doddington on 4 February 1273 [1]. A John son of Hugh Pygot occurs
in a final concord in Lincolnshire in 1246 [2]. Earlier presentations
to Doddington were made in 1222 and 1229 by Sir Hugh Picot [3].
Between 1191 and 1200, William Postard, Abbot of Westminster, granted
the manor of Doddington, in fee and inheritance, to "his knight
William Picot" [4]. William Picot was disputing the advowsons of the
churches of Doddington and Thorp [on the Hill] with the next Abbot of
Westminster in 1205 [5], a case which he obviously won.
Coming back to Michael Picot. He married Joan Wake some time after
January 1267, when on the partition of the lands of John de Beauchamp
between his heirs, Joan, Ida and Isabel (Elizabeth) daughters of Ela
Wake are mentioned in the Close Rolls, but who were all apparently
unmarried [6]. He had married Joan before 1275 when the inquisition
post mortem of Hugh Gobion found that Hugh died holding Higham Gobion
and Streatley in Bedfordshire (both Beauchamp manors) of Michael Pikot
[7]. Michael was dead before 12 November 1278 when "Joan, late the
wife of Michael Pycot" is mentioned in the Close Rolls [8]. She
afterwards married Ralph Paynel who died shortly before 14 March 1318
holding the manor of Cardington, Bedfordshire "by the courtesy of
England of the inheritance of Joan sometime his wife" [9].
Michael and Joan had three children, Baldwin (named after his maternal
grandfather) and John (named after his paternal grandfather?) and a
daughter Lora who married Gerard Braybrook (d. ca 1326). Baldwin was
alive in 1303 when he is mentioned in the Patent Rolls in connection
with the manor of Doddington [10] and possibly in 1305 when Baldwin
Pygod of the county of Lincoln appears in the Fine Rolls [11]. Baldwin
was succeeded by his son John who was born about 1290 (aged 24 at the
i.p.m of his great aunt Elizabeth Wake in 1314 [12] and 27 at the
i.p.m. of Ralph Paynel in 1318). John, son of Baldwin Picot died
shortly before 24 March 1337, holding Doddington and Thorpe,
Lincolnshire and Cardington, Bedfordshire and leaving a son John, aged
23 as his heir [13]. In 1315, John son of Baldwin Picot had demised
the manor of Renhold, Bedfordshire to his uncle John [14].
All of these relationships are shown in the foundation charter of a
chantry in Renhold by John, son of Michael Picot in which many of his
relatives (dead and alive) are mentioned [I have expanded the
4 April 1336, Ordination of a Chantry by John Pycot, son of Michael
Pycot, Kt., for the souls of King Edward, the said John and Michael
his father, and Johan his mother, Baldwyn his brother, Johan his
(founder's) wife, John Pycot his nephew (nepos), and Alianor his wife,
Johan daughter of John Pycot and Matilda his wife, Sir John Wake, and
John his son, Sir Thomas Wake, Elizabeth Wake, Elizabeth Latymer,
William de Kyme, H. Picot, Isabella de Staunton, Lora de Braibrok,
John Paynel de Gobion, Robert de Braibrok, Ralph Picot, John son of
Adam Picot, John de Crungleford, of Southgevel, and William, late
Vicar of Ronhall [15].
I'd be grateful if anyone could add some more flesh to these bare
bones of a Picot pedigree.
Regards,
John
1. R. E. G. Cole, The Registers of Doddington-Pigot, co. Lincoln,
1562-1812 (London: 1898) p. viii
2. Final Concords of the County of Lincoln: 1244-1272 (1920), pp.
33-51
3. Canterbury & York Society, Vol. 4, Rotuli Hugonis de Welles, Vol.
III (London: 1907) p. 168
4. 'Charters of the abbots: William Postard (nos. 307-26)',
Westminster Abbey Charters, 1066 - c.1214: London Record Society 25
(1988), pp. 160-175
5. Curia Regis Rolls, Vol. 4, pp. 13, 45–6, 48
6. Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: volume 13: 1264-1268 (1937),
pp. 279-289
7. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 2, p. 78, No. 115 (Hugh
Gobyun)
8. Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward I: volume 1: 1272-1279 (1900), p.
484
9. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 6, p. 68, No. 104 (Ralph
Paynel)
10. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 1, Vol. 4, p. 190
11. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 1, p. 510
12. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 5, p. 243, No. 431
(Elizabeth Wake)
13. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 8, p. 82, No. 137 (John
son of Baldwin Pycot)
14. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 2, Vol. 2, p. 291
15. All Saints Church Renhold Website, citing: Lincoln Diocesan
Registers by F. A. Page-Turner

Thank you very much for passing on your information about the Picots
of Doddington. I for one have found it very interesting and helpful.

Baldwin son of Michael may have survived several years after 1305.
Parliamentary Roll (c.1312) N 704 mentions Sire Baudewyne Pycot (but
under Le counte de Erewik) as bearing 'azure, two bars and in chief
three roundels or'.

The same arms appear in Ashmolean Roll (c.1334) AS 345 for Mons de
Dodyton, in Cooke's Ordinary (c.1340) CKO 115 for Sr Johan Pycot de
Dodington, in Cotgrave's Ordinary (c.1340) for Monsire John Picot de
Dodington, and in William Jenyns' Ordinary (c.1380) WJ 818 for Mons
John Pygot of Doditon. These would cover Baldwin's son and grandson.

There are three fifteenth-century rolls of arms that mention the same
arms for Monsr John Pigot de Dodyngton, Sr Bewdewyne Pigot and Pycot
de Dodyton, but by this time most of the rolls were simply compiled by
copying from older ones. I have not yet found any seals to confirm
them.

The Picot arms must have been derived from those of Wake. Joan's
father, Baldwin, bore 'or, two bars and in chief three roundels
gules' (Heralds’ Roll (c.1279) HE 102, Dering Roll (c.1280) A 82,
Camden Roll (c.1280) D 109, St George’s Roll (c.1285) E 61).

I apologise if this is not quite the sort of 'flesh' you were hoping
for.

Philip

[John Watson]

Post by Philip Cheyney

Post by John Watson
Dear all,
The parentage of Michael Picot of Doddington, (aka Doddington-Pigot)
Lincolnshire who married Joan Wake, heiress of one-ninth of the barony
of Beauchamp of Bedford is apparently unknown, at least in all of the
works I have consulted (including those of Mr. Richardson).
I recently came across an interesting "snippet" on Google books which
"Ela Wake was succeeded by three daughters, (i) Joan, who married
first Michael son of Robert Pycot, whence Baldwin Pycot, whence the
said John Pycot, and second Ralph Paynel, whose surname she afterwards
used..."
Calendar of Memoranda Rolls (Exchequer): Michaelmas 1326-Michaelmas
1327 (HMSO: 1968) p. 166
Apparently Michael Picot was the son of Robert Picot, although exactly
who this Robert was is difficult to determine. He could possibly be
the son of the Sir John Picot who presented Hugh Picot to the church
of Doddington on 4 February 1273 [1]. A John son of Hugh Pygot occurs
in a final concord in Lincolnshire in 1246 [2]. Earlier presentations
to Doddington were made in 1222 and 1229 by Sir Hugh Picot [3].
Between 1191 and 1200, William Postard, Abbot of Westminster, granted
the manor of Doddington, in fee and inheritance, to "his knight
William Picot" [4]. William Picot was disputing the advowsons of the
churches of Doddington and Thorp [on the Hill] with the next Abbot of
Westminster in 1205 [5], a case which he obviously won.
Coming back to Michael Picot. He married Joan Wake some time after
January 1267, when on the partition of the lands of John de Beauchamp
between his heirs, Joan, Ida and Isabel (Elizabeth) daughters of Ela
Wake are mentioned in the Close Rolls, but who were all apparently
unmarried [6]. He had married Joan before 1275 when the inquisition
post mortem of Hugh Gobion found that Hugh died holding Higham Gobion
and Streatley in Bedfordshire (both Beauchamp manors) of Michael Pikot
[7]. Michael was dead before 12 November 1278 when "Joan, late the
wife of Michael Pycot" is mentioned in the Close Rolls [8]. She
afterwards married Ralph Paynel who died shortly before 14 March 1318
holding the manor of Cardington, Bedfordshire "by the courtesy of
England of the inheritance of Joan sometime his wife" [9].
Michael and Joan had three children, Baldwin (named after his maternal
grandfather) and John (named after his paternal grandfather?) and a
daughter Lora who married Gerard Braybrook (d. ca 1326). Baldwin was
alive in 1303 when he is mentioned in the Patent Rolls in connection
with the manor of Doddington [10] and possibly in 1305 when Baldwin
Pygod of the county of Lincoln appears in the Fine Rolls [11]. Baldwin
was succeeded by his son John who was born about 1290 (aged 24 at the
i.p.m of his great aunt Elizabeth Wake in 1314 [12] and 27 at the
i.p.m. of Ralph Paynel in 1318). John, son of Baldwin Picot died
shortly before 24 March 1337, holding Doddington and Thorpe,
Lincolnshire and Cardington, Bedfordshire and leaving a son John, aged
23 as his heir [13]. In 1315, John son of Baldwin Picot had demised
the manor of Renhold, Bedfordshire to his uncle John [14].
All of these relationships are shown in the foundation charter of a
chantry in Renhold by John, son of Michael Picot in which many of his
relatives (dead and alive) are mentioned [I have expanded the
4 April 1336, Ordination of a Chantry by John Pycot, son of Michael
Pycot, Kt., for the souls of King Edward, the said John and Michael
his father, and Johan his mother, Baldwyn his brother, Johan his
(founder's) wife, John Pycot his nephew (nepos), and Alianor his wife,
Johan daughter of John Pycot and Matilda his wife, Sir John Wake, and
John his son, Sir Thomas Wake, Elizabeth Wake, Elizabeth Latymer,
William de Kyme, H. Picot, Isabella de Staunton, Lora de Braibrok,
John Paynel de Gobion, Robert de Braibrok, Ralph Picot, John son of
Adam Picot, John de Crungleford, of Southgevel, and William, late
Vicar of Ronhall [15].
I'd be grateful if anyone could add some more flesh to these bare
bones of a Picot pedigree.
Regards,
John
1. R. E. G. Cole, The Registers of Doddington-Pigot, co. Lincoln,
1562-1812 (London: 1898) p. viii
2. Final Concords of the County of Lincoln: 1244-1272 (1920), pp.
33-51
3. Canterbury & York Society, Vol. 4, Rotuli Hugonis de Welles, Vol.
III (London: 1907) p. 168
4. 'Charters of the abbots: William Postard (nos. 307-26)',
Westminster Abbey Charters, 1066 - c.1214: London Record Society 25
(1988), pp. 160-175
5. Curia Regis Rolls, Vol. 4, pp. 13, 45–6, 48
6. Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: volume 13: 1264-1268 (1937),
pp. 279-289
7. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 2, p. 78, No. 115 (Hugh
Gobyun)
8. Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward I: volume 1: 1272-1279 (1900), p.
484
9. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 6, p. 68, No. 104 (Ralph
Paynel)
10. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 1, Vol. 4, p. 190
11. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 1, p. 510
12. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 5, p. 243, No. 431
(Elizabeth Wake)
13. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 8, p. 82, No. 137 (John
son of Baldwin Pycot)
14. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 2, Vol. 2, p. 291
15. All Saints Church Renhold Website, citing: Lincoln Diocesan
Registers by F. A. Page-Turner

Thank you very much for passing on your information about the Picots
of Doddington.  I for one have found it very interesting and helpful.
Baldwin son of Michael may have survived several years after 1305.
Parliamentary Roll (c.1312) N 704 mentions Sire Baudewyne Pycot (but
under Le counte de Erewik) as bearing 'azure, two bars and in chief
three roundels or'.
The same arms appear in Ashmolean Roll (c.1334) AS 345 for Mons de
Dodyton, in Cooke's Ordinary (c.1340) CKO 115 for Sr Johan Pycot de
Dodington, in Cotgrave's Ordinary (c.1340) for Monsire John Picot de
Dodington, and in William Jenyns' Ordinary (c.1380) WJ 818 for Mons
John Pygot of Doditon.  These would cover Baldwin's son and grandson.
There are three fifteenth-century rolls of arms that mention the same
arms for Monsr John Pigot de Dodyngton, Sr Bewdewyne Pigot and Pycot
de Dodyton, but by this time most of the rolls were simply compiled by
copying from older ones.  I have not yet found any seals to confirm
them.
The Picot arms must have been derived from those of Wake.  Joan's
father, Baldwin, bore 'or, two bars and in chief three roundels
gules' (Heralds’ Roll (c.1279) HE 102, Dering Roll (c.1280) A 82,
Camden Roll (c.1280) D 109, St George’s Roll (c.1285) E 61).
I apologise if this is not quite the sort of 'flesh' you were hoping
for.
Philip

Hi Philip,

No need to apologise. The Picots who lived in Renhold, Bedfordshire,
descendants of John, son of Michael Picot bore canting arms with three
picks. They can still be seen in a window of Renhold church. Perhaps
these were their original arms, before they adopted a variation of the
Wake arms. See:

http://www.all-saints-church-renhold.org/history/picotwindow.htm

Regards,

John

[Philip Cheyney]

Post by John Watson

Post by Philip Cheyney

Post by John Watson
Dear all,
The parentage of Michael Picot of Doddington, (aka Doddington-Pigot)
Lincolnshire who married Joan Wake, heiress of one-ninth of the barony
of Beauchamp of Bedford is apparently unknown, at least in all of the
works I have consulted (including those of Mr. Richardson).
I recently came across an interesting "snippet" on Google books which
"Ela Wake was succeeded by three daughters, (i) Joan, who married
first Michael son of Robert Pycot, whence Baldwin Pycot, whence the
said John Pycot, and second Ralph Paynel, whose surname she afterwards
used..."
Calendar of Memoranda Rolls (Exchequer): Michaelmas 1326-Michaelmas
1327 (HMSO: 1968) p. 166
Apparently Michael Picot was the son of Robert Picot, although exactly
who this Robert was is difficult to determine. He could possibly be
the son of the Sir John Picot who presented Hugh Picot to the church
of Doddington on 4 February 1273 [1]. A John son of Hugh Pygot occurs
in a final concord in Lincolnshire in 1246 [2]. Earlier presentations
to Doddington were made in 1222 and 1229 by Sir Hugh Picot [3].
Between 1191 and 1200, William Postard, Abbot of Westminster, granted
the manor of Doddington, in fee and inheritance, to "his knight
William Picot" [4]. William Picot was disputing the advowsons of the
churches of Doddington and Thorp [on the Hill] with the next Abbot of
Westminster in 1205 [5], a case which he obviously won.
Coming back to Michael Picot. He married Joan Wake some time after
January 1267, when on the partition of the lands of John de Beauchamp
between his heirs, Joan, Ida and Isabel (Elizabeth) daughters of Ela
Wake are mentioned in the Close Rolls, but who were all apparently
unmarried [6]. He had married Joan before 1275 when the inquisition
post mortem of Hugh Gobion found that Hugh died holding Higham Gobion
and Streatley in Bedfordshire (both Beauchamp manors) of Michael Pikot
[7]. Michael was dead before 12 November 1278 when "Joan, late the
wife of Michael Pycot" is mentioned in the Close Rolls [8]. She
afterwards married Ralph Paynel who died shortly before 14 March 1318
holding the manor of Cardington, Bedfordshire "by the courtesy of
England of the inheritance of Joan sometime his wife" [9].
Michael and Joan had three children, Baldwin (named after his maternal
grandfather) and John (named after his paternal grandfather?) and a
daughter Lora who married Gerard Braybrook (d. ca 1326). Baldwin was
alive in 1303 when he is mentioned in the Patent Rolls in connection
with the manor of Doddington [10] and possibly in 1305 when Baldwin
Pygod of the county of Lincoln appears in the Fine Rolls [11]. Baldwin
was succeeded by his son John who was born about 1290 (aged 24 at the
i.p.m of his great aunt Elizabeth Wake in 1314 [12] and 27 at the
i.p.m. of Ralph Paynel in 1318). John, son of Baldwin Picot died
shortly before 24 March 1337, holding Doddington and Thorpe,
Lincolnshire and Cardington, Bedfordshire and leaving a son John, aged
23 as his heir [13]. In 1315, John son of Baldwin Picot had demised
the manor of Renhold, Bedfordshire to his uncle John [14].
All of these relationships are shown in the foundation charter of a
chantry in Renhold by John, son of Michael Picot in which many of his
relatives (dead and alive) are mentioned [I have expanded the
4 April 1336, Ordination of a Chantry by John Pycot, son of Michael
Pycot, Kt., for the souls of King Edward, the said John and Michael
his father, and Johan his mother, Baldwyn his brother, Johan his
(founder's) wife, John Pycot his nephew (nepos), and Alianor his wife,
Johan daughter of John Pycot and Matilda his wife, Sir John Wake, and
John his son, Sir Thomas Wake, Elizabeth Wake, Elizabeth Latymer,
William de Kyme, H. Picot, Isabella de Staunton, Lora de Braibrok,
John Paynel de Gobion, Robert de Braibrok, Ralph Picot, John son of
Adam Picot, John de Crungleford, of Southgevel, and William, late
Vicar of Ronhall [15].
I'd be grateful if anyone could add some more flesh to these bare
bones of a Picot pedigree.
Regards,
John
1. R. E. G. Cole, The Registers of Doddington-Pigot, co. Lincoln,
1562-1812 (London: 1898) p. viii
2. Final Concords of the County of Lincoln: 1244-1272 (1920), pp.
33-51
3. Canterbury & York Society, Vol. 4, Rotuli Hugonis de Welles, Vol.
III (London: 1907) p. 168
4. 'Charters of the abbots: William Postard (nos. 307-26)',
Westminster Abbey Charters, 1066 - c.1214: London Record Society 25
(1988), pp. 160-175
5. Curia Regis Rolls, Vol. 4, pp. 13, 45–6, 48
6. Calendar of Close Rolls, Henry III: volume 13: 1264-1268 (1937),
pp. 279-289
7. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 2, p. 78, No. 115 (Hugh
Gobyun)
8. Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward I: volume 1: 1272-1279 (1900), p.
484
9. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 6, p. 68, No. 104 (Ralph
Paynel)
10. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 1, Vol. 4, p. 190
11. Calendar of Fine Rolls, Vol. 1, p. 510
12. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 5, p. 243, No. 431
(Elizabeth Wake)
13. Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, Vol. 8, p. 82, No. 137 (John
son of Baldwin Pycot)
14. Calendar of Patent Rolls, Edward 2, Vol. 2, p. 291
15. All Saints Church Renhold Website, citing: Lincoln Diocesan
Registers by F. A. Page-Turner

Thank you very much for passing on your information about the Picots
of Doddington.  I for one have found it very interesting and helpful.
Baldwin son of Michael may have survived several years after 1305.
Parliamentary Roll (c.1312) N 704 mentions Sire Baudewyne Pycot (but
under Le counte de Erewik) as bearing 'azure, two bars and in chief
three roundels or'.
The same arms appear in Ashmolean Roll (c.1334) AS 345 for Mons de
Dodyton, in Cooke's Ordinary (c.1340) CKO 115 for Sr Johan Pycot de
Dodington, in Cotgrave's Ordinary (c.1340) for Monsire John Picot de
Dodington, and in William Jenyns' Ordinary (c.1380) WJ 818 for Mons
John Pygot of Doditon.  These would cover Baldwin's son and grandson.
There are three fifteenth-century rolls of arms that mention the same
arms for Monsr John Pigot de Dodyngton, Sr Bewdewyne Pigot and Pycot
de Dodyton, but by this time most of the rolls were simply compiled by
copying from older ones.  I have not yet found any seals to confirm
them.
The Picot arms must have been derived from those of Wake.  Joan's
father, Baldwin, bore 'or, two bars and in chief three roundels
gules' (Heralds’ Roll (c.1279) HE 102, Dering Roll (c.1280) A 82,
Camden Roll (c.1280) D 109, St George’s Roll (c.1285) E 61).
I apologise if this is not quite the sort of 'flesh' you were hoping
for.
Philip

Hi Philip,
No need to apologise. The Picots who lived in Renhold, Bedfordshire,
descendants of John, son of Michael Picot bore canting arms with three
picks. They can still be seen in a window of Renhold church. Perhaps
these were their original arms, before they adopted a variation of the
http://www.all-saints-church-renhold.org/history/picotwindow.htm
Regards,
John

Many thanks for the reference to the window at Renhold. These arms
confirm the entry in Ashmolean Roll (c.1334) AS 356 for John Pigot,
'gules, three picks argent'. The same arms appear in Willement's Roll
(c.1395) S 488 for Monsr Bawdwy Pygot, presumably Baldwin, MP, d.
after 1430. He used a seal 1420/21 with three picks (Birch 12638).

Cooke's Ordinary (c.1340) CKO 621 has gold picks on red for Sr J
Pygot. This may well be a copying error since much of this ordinary
is based on the Ashmolean Roll (see above).

I don't think that the comments on the church's webpage about
Michael's arms (three black picks on silver) are based on contemporary
evidence. These arms may be derived from a 16th- or 17th-century
visitation (I'm still working on medieval evidence and have not yet
looked at the visitations in detail). I think it very likely that
Michael bore picks, but we are guessing at the colours. It's what I
class as **possible (but dubious through lack of evidence).

The Picots of Melmerby, Yorkshire, bore three silver picks on black:
Grimaldi's Roll (c.1350) P 151 Geffray Pigot de Melmorby and
Willement's Roll (c.1395) S 493 Monsr Randolff Pygot.

But there are also several arms for other Picot/Pigot families that
don't have any picks on them at all.

Philip

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In a message dated 11/5/2010 1:30:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Post by Philip Cheyney
The Picot arms must have been derived from those of Wake. Joan's
father, Baldwin, bore 'or, two bars and in chief three roundels
gules' (Heralds’ Roll (c.1279) HE 102, Dering Roll (c.1280) A 82,
Camden Roll (c.1280) D 109, St George’s Roll (c.1285) E 61).

This last apparently posthumously as Baldwin has a writ d.c.e. dated 10 Feb
1281-2


Will

[Philip Cheyney]

Post by W***@aol.com
In a message dated 11/5/2010 1:30:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Post by Philip Cheyney
The Picot arms must have been derived from those of Wake.  Joan's
father, Baldwin, bore 'or, two bars and in chief three roundels
gules' (Heralds’ Roll (c.1279) HE 102, Dering Roll (c.1280) A 82,
Camden Roll (c.1280) D 109, St George’s Roll (c.1285) E 61).

This last apparently posthumously as Baldwin has a writ d.c.e. dated 10 Feb
1281-2
Will

There are a few rolls of arms to which we can give a firm date, but
for most of them we have to estimate when they were compiled, based on
what dates we may have for those who are mentioned in the roll. In
addition, I am certain that the rolls would have been compiled over a
period of time, perhaps being brought up to date when a compiler
noticed that a son had succeeded. St George's Roll has the name
Baudewin Wake, so it can't have been referring to his son, John.

So yes, you're right, the roll was out of date. But I believe that it
is still reasonable evidence for Baldwin's arms. And thanks for
noticing!

Philip

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One more snip I find while looking for something completely different.

Michael presented to the mediety of the Parsonage of Houghton Conquest in
1273. This was in right of his wife, this tells us that, they were married
by then, and that he was an adult by then.

That helps a bit with the chronology.
I'm not sure I believe he could be the *grandson* of a John who was also
presenting to Doddington in 1273 however. I'm more likely to think that
perhaps that later Memoranda Rolls might be in error. It was written sixty years
after his death more or less.

[John Watson]

Post by W***@aol.com
One more snip I find while looking for something completely different.
Michael presented to the mediety of the Parsonage of Houghton Conquest in
1273.  This was in right of his wife, this tells us that, they were married
by then, and that he was an adult by then.
That helps a bit with the chronology.
I'm not sure I believe he could be the *grandson* of a John who was also
presenting to Doddington in 1273 however.  I'm more likely to think that
perhaps that later Memoranda Rolls might be in error.  It was written sixty years
after his death more or less.

Hi Will,

Here's the primary reference for that:

3 May 1273, William de Lubho, clerk was presented to to a mediety of
the church of Houghton Conquest, Bedfordshire on the death of magister
John de Dunstapl' by Michael Picot and Joan, his wife, who had
recovered the advowson pro hac vice against John Malherbe, John de
Stanigrave and Ida his wife, John de Horburi and Elizabeth his wife.
5 non. May.
Lincoln Record Society, Vol. 20, Rotuli Ricardi Gravesend (1925) p.
197

I have found a reference to John son of Hugh Picot in a final concord
for Lincolnshire in 1246, when he must have been an adult, so born
before 1225. John Picot and his wife Lucy also appear in final
concords in 1249 and 1250. The last record that I can find for John is
that he presented to the church of Thorpe-on-the-Hill, Lincolnshire on
12 September 1279. I estimate that Michael Picot was born around
1245-1250 (married about 1270) so it seems more likely that he was the
son, and not the grandson of John Picot and Lucy. I am still searching
for some better evidence.

Regards,

John

[John Watson]

Post by John Watson

Post by W***@aol.com
One more snip I find while looking for something completely different.
Michael presented to the mediety of the Parsonage of Houghton Conquest in
1273.  This was in right of his wife, this tells us that, they were married
by then, and that he was an adult by then.
That helps a bit with the chronology.
I'm not sure I believe he could be the *grandson* of a John who was also
presenting to Doddington in 1273 however.  I'm more likely to think that
perhaps that later Memoranda Rolls might be in error.  It was written sixty years
after his death more or less.

Hi Will,
3 May 1273, William de Lubho, clerk was presented to to a mediety of
the church of Houghton Conquest, Bedfordshire on the death of magister
John de Dunstapl' by Michael Picot and Joan, his wife, who had
recovered the advowson pro hac vice against John Malherbe, John de
Stanigrave and Ida his wife, John de Horburi and Elizabeth his wife.
5 non. May.
Lincoln Record Society, Vol. 20, Rotuli Ricardi Gravesend (1925) p.
197
I have found a reference to John son of Hugh Picot in a final concord
for Lincolnshire in 1246, when he must have been an adult, so born
before 1225. John Picot and his wife Lucy also appear in final
concords in 1249 and 1250. The last record that I can find for John is
that he presented to the church of Thorpe-on-the-Hill, Lincolnshire on
12 September 1279. I estimate that Michael Picot was born around
1245-1250 (married about 1270) so it seems more likely that he was the
son, and not the grandson of John Picot and Lucy. I am still searching
for some better evidence.
Regards,
John

Hi Will,

I suppose John Picot was alive when he received free warren in 1281:
12 November 1281, Grant to John Picot, and his heirs, of free warren
in all his demesne lands in Dodington by Lincoln, Torp sur le Tertre,
and Outhenby by Sleford, co. Lincoln.
Calendar of Charter Rolls, Vol. 2, p. 256

Outhenby is today called Aunsnby. I have found a record for Aunsby in
1286, involving Baldwin Pigot and Ralph Paynel, Joan Wade's second
husband. Since Baldwin is involved in this and not John Picot, I
presume that John was dead by this date.

Thomas de Foxley, clerk in minor orders, was presented by the Prior
and Convent of Wroxton to the church of Aunsby vacant by the death of
Sir John of Widdington. The presentation was opposed by Sir Robert de
Wade, knight, Sir Ralph Paynel, knight, and Baldwin Pygot. The Prior
established his right of presentation against Sir Robert in the King's
court at Westminster. Sir Ralph resigned his right of presentation in
a letter addressed to the Bishop. Baldwin Pygot did not prosecute his
claim. Thomas de Foxley therefore received the church in commendam on
May 7, 1286, and was ordained subdeacon and instituted at Thame on 21
December 1286.
Lincoln Record Society, Vol. 39, The Rolls and Register of Bishop
Oliver Sutton, Vol. 1 (1948) p. 90

The advowson of the church of Aunsby was given to the Priory of
Wroxton, Oxfordshire by Michael Belet in 1218. I have seen on the
internet a claim that Lucy, wife of Sir John Picot was a daughter of
Michael Belet, which is not possible, since this Michael Belet was a
clergyman. She might be his relative, but not his daughter I think,

Regards,

John

[John Watson]

Post by John Watson
Outhenby is today called Aunsnby. I have found a record for Aunsby in
1286, involving Baldwin Pigot and Ralph Paynel, Joan Wade's second
husband. Since Baldwin is involved in this and not John Picot, I
presume that John was dead by this date.

Oops - that should be Joan Wake, not Wade

Regards,

John

[Douglas Richardson]

< The advowson of the church of Aunsby was given to the Priory of
< Wroxton, Oxfordshire by Michael Belet in 1218. I have seen on the
< internet a claim that Lucy, wife of Sir John Picot was a daughter of
< Michael Belet, which is not possible, since this Michael Belet was a
< clergyman. She might be his relative, but not his daughter I think,
<
< Regards,
<
< John

Dear John ~

There were two contemporary Michael Belets, both of whom were
prominent men in their day. They have caused historians a certain
amount of trouble in their efforts to distinguish one man from the
other. One of them was ancestral to Sibyl Oliver, 1st wife of Sir
Humphrey de Beauchamp, of Ryme, Dorset (yes, that family again). I
believe one of the two Michael Belet's was ancestral to your Picot
family.

You can find a good discussion of the two Michael Belets in the book,
Sir Christopher Hatton's Book of Seals (1950). I don't believe that
this book is available on Google Books. Possibly someone here on the
newsgroup can post pertinent particulars for you from the book.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

[John Watson]

Post by Douglas Richardson
< The advowson of the church of Aunsby was given to the Priory of
< Wroxton, Oxfordshire by Michael Belet in 1218. I have seen on the
< internet a claim that Lucy, wife of Sir John Picot was a daughter of
< Michael Belet, which is not possible, since this Michael Belet was a
< clergyman. She might be his relative, but not his daughter I think,
<
< Regards,
<
< John
Dear John ~
There were two contemporary Michael Belets, both of whom were
prominent men in their day.  They have caused historians a certain
amount of trouble in their efforts to distinguish one man from the
other.  One of them was ancestral to Sibyl Oliver, 1st wife of Sir
Humphrey de Beauchamp, of Ryme, Dorset (yes, that family again).   I
believe one of the two Michael Belet's was ancestral to your Picot
family.
You can find a good discussion of the two Michael Belets in the book,
Sir Christopher Hatton's Book of Seals (1950).  I don't believe that
this book is available on Google Books.  Possibly someone here on the
newsgroup can post pertinent particulars for you from the book.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

Dear Douglas,

Magister Michael Belet, (d. ca 1247) second son of Michael Belet,
justicar (d. 1201) and Emma de Chesney, had a younger brother called
Robert, who had a son, also called Michael Belet. The younger Michael
Belet died in 1218, leaving an only daughter Maud (Fine Rolls 2 Henry
III, No. 21). Since the elder Michael was a clergyman, I assume he
left no legitimate children. If we want to find a connection between
the Belets and Lucy, wife of John Picot, we will have to look a little
wider than these two Michaels.

There certainly seems to be a connection as shown in these two court
records of 1247:

Sydestan. (513). Annora de Verdun and William de Wavere versus John
Pykot and Lucia his wife, 1 messuage and 2 car. of land etc. in
Sydestan, of which Michael Belet brother of the sd Annora and uncle to
Burgia de Bendenges and consanguinea of the sd William, whose heirs
they are, died seized in his own right as of fee — adjourned because
Burgia de Bendenges one of the coheirs is not named in the writ.
65 Coram Rege Roll. Hil. 31 Hen. III.

(530). Robert de Bingham attorniey for John Pikot and Lucia his wife
versus Annora de Verdun Burgia de Bendenges and William de Wavere de
plc t're per Simon de Malteford, Nicholas de Thorpe. Alt' attor' de
eodem p' Galfrid Prat.
65 Coram Rege Roll. Hil. 31 Hen. III.
Lincolnshire Notes and Queries, Vol. 4 (1896) pp. 103-4

Annora de Verdun, widow of Walter de Verdun was a sister of Michael
Belet (presumably the elder one who had died around the time of these
records) and Burgia, widow of Peter Bendenges was Michael's niece.
Exactly how they are related to Lucy is not clear.

The elder Michael Belet (d. 1201) is said to have had 3 daughters and
seven sons (ODNB) so there are plenty of possibilities. Does anyone
have any idea of the connection between the Belet family and Lucy who
married John Picot. If it helps, Lucy had a sister called Ida who in
1249 was married to Godfrey de Mylers (Final Concords Lincoln).

Regards,

John

[Douglas Richardson]

Dear John ~

The following information below is taken from VCH Surrey available on
the British History Online website.

It shows that Maud, daughter of Master Michael Belet, died in or
before 1229, when the manor of Sheen (in Richmond), Surrey fell to her
kinsman, John Belet. John Belet in turn died in 1231, leaving two
daughters and co-heirs, Emma Oliver and Alice, wife of John de
Vautort, both of whom were living in 1250 [see also John Horace Round,
The King's Serjeants & Officers of State (1911): 167].

I can further extend the pedigree. The above named Emma Belet was the
wife of Jordan Oliver, by whom she had one son and heir, Walter
Oliver, of Wambrook, Somerset. Walter Oliver in turn was the father
of Sibyl Oliver, 1st wife of Sir Humphrey de Beauchamp, of Ryme,
Dorset. Sibyl Oliver in turn was the mother of Sir John de Beauchamp
(living 1341), who had wives Joan and Elizabeth.

You'll find one of the two Michael Belets indifferently called Master
or Magister in published sources (he is Master below). Either Master
or Magister is fine. I assume, by the way, that your Michael Picot
got his given name from one of the two Michael Belets.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +

Weblink: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43018&strquery=Sheen

There is no mention of SHEEN, now known as RICHMOND, in the Domesday
Survey, as it was at that time included in the neighbouring manor of
Kingston (q.v.), which was held by the king. By the reign of Henry I,
however, the manor had acquired a separate existence under the name of
Sheen, and was granted by the king to the family of Belet, who held it
by the serjeanty of butlery. (fn. 174) In 1206 Master Michael Belet
paid the sum of £100 for the office of butlership. (fn. 175) He seems
to have forfeited his lands, and those in Sheen were granted to Hugh
de Nevill in 1215. (fn. 176) Michael was evidently restored shortly
afterwards, as he granted a virgate and a half of land in the manor of
Sheen to Walkelin de Canetone early in the reign of Henry III. (fn.
177) At his death the custody of his daughter and heir, with her
inheritance in Sheen, was acquired by Wimund de Ralegh. (fn. 178) This
daughter appears to have been the Maud Belet who died in or before
1229, when her lands devolved on her kinsman John Belet, who paid ten
marks for relief in that year. (fn. 179) He died in 1231, (fn. 180)
leaving two daughters, Emma Oliver, and Alice who married John de
Vautort a tenant on the manor, (fn. 181) and thus the manor of Sheen
became divided. In 1253–4 Emma Oliver, or Emma Belet as she is here
called, was party to a fine with John de Vautort and Alice his wife as
to lands in Sheen and other places which were said to have been the
right of John Belet the father of Emma. (fn. 182) By 1258 Emma Oliver
had become the wife of Robert de Meleburn, and in that year they
confirmed a lease of the manor of Sheen (as Emma's moiety was always
called) to John Maunsel, treasurer of York and reeve of Beverley, for
fourteen years. (fn. 183) In 1264 Emma conveyed all her lands held in
chief in Sheen to the king, for him to grant to Gilbert de Clare, Earl
of Gloucester and Hertford, which was accordingly done. (fn. 184)

From: 'Parishes: Richmond (anciently Sheen)', A History of the County
of Surrey: Volume 3 (1911), pp. 533-546. URL:
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43018&amp;strquery=Sheen
Date accessed: 07 November 2010.

[John Watson]

Post by Douglas Richardson
Dear John ~
The following information below is taken from VCH Surrey available on
the British History Online website.

snip

Post by Douglas Richardson
From: 'Parishes: Richmond (anciently Sheen)', A History of the County
of Surrey: Volume 3 (1911), pp. 533-546. URL:http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43018&strquer...
Date accessed: 07 November 2010.

Dear Douglas

Thank you for the information which I had already seen online.

There were not two Micheal Belets, but three. You are forgetting
Michael Belet the justicar who died in 1201. I am pretty certain that
Lucy wife of John Picot was his descendant. If Michael had three
daughters and seven sons then he probably had numerous grand children.

Regards,

John

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John is one of your references to the Inquis. ad quod damnum, 8 E2 "Sir
Baldwin Pigot... died in 1314"

[John Watson]

Post by W***@aol.com
John is one of your references to the Inquis. ad quod damnum, 8 E2 "Sir
Baldwin Pigot... died in 1314"

Hi Will,

Baldwin Wake died some time between 1305 and 8 July 1314, when at the
inquisition post mortem for Bedfordshire of Elizabeth Wake: "John
Picok [alias Pycot], son of Baldwin Pycok, and John de Patteshull, son
of Elizabeth de Stanggreve [alias de Stangrave], each aged 24 and
more, are her kinsmen and next heirs." (CIPM, v, 431). If Baldwin had
still been alive at this date then he would have been the heir. I
suppose its quite possible that the died in early 1314, but I haven't
see any evidence.

Regards,

John

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In a message dated 11/6/2010 1:55:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

Post by John Watson

Post by W***@aol.com
John is one of your references to the Inquis. ad quod damnum, 8 E2 "Sir
Baldwin Pigot... died in 1314"

Hi Will,
Baldwin Wake died some time between 1305 and 8 July 1314, when at the
inquisition post mortem for Bedfordshire of Elizabeth Wake

John that's not to what I refer.
Not the ipm, but rather an iaqd in 8E2

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In a message dated 11/6/2010 1:50:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Post by John Watson
12 November 1281, Grant to John Picot, and his heirs, of free warren
in all his demesne lands in Dodington by Lincoln, Torp sur le Tertre,
and Outhenby by Sleford, co. Lincoln.
Calendar of Charter Rolls, Vol. 2, p. 256

Hmm free warren in his old age in his old lands?
I don't think we can posit this as being that John, son of Michael who
could be no older then 11 at this time, so you're suggesting this is the man
we're thinking now is Michael's father.

Not sure I can agree with that.
How to solve this? Michael is not of Doddington at all, but rather was a
younger son, and son other guy, his elder brother, had a son himself named
John a minor until 1281... something like that?

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In a message dated 11/6/2010 1:50:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

Post by John Watson
Outhenby is today called Aunsnby. I have found a record for Aunsby in
1286, involving Baldwin Pigot and Ralph Paynel, Joan Wade's second
husband. Since Baldwin is involved in this and not John Picot, I
presume that John was dead by this date.

But this Baldwin cannot be that one who was *son* of Joan Wake as our
Baldwin cannot be born earlier than 1269 so would not be an adult at this time.

Remember Baldwin Wake of Kirkeby was "Aged 38" Apr 1276 at his mother's
IPM.
Not even time for his grandson to be too old yet only 10 years later.

Will