Post by tafPost by tafPost by Richard SmithPost by Peter Stewart viaThe wishful thinking in this case perhaps goes back to the mid-19th
century - see https://books.google.com.au/books?id=cs9tQwAACAAJ&dq.
I don't suppose anyone's had any luck finding that on archive.org,
mocavo.org or similar? I failed. Google Books generally doesn't make
the content of old books like this available to users in the UK. It's a
real pain.
http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/100784103
A history and genealogy of the Warren family in Normandy, Great Britain
and Ireland, France, Holland, Tuscany, United States of America, etc.
(A.D. 912-1902) with numerous pedigrees
I will add that while this book has the Irish line descend, as claimed, from Edward, younger son of the 7th Earl, it gives them the same arms as Warren of Poynton (blue and gold checked, a silver lion rampant on a red canton), where the name Edward was also used at this time. I have to wonder if the Irish line didn't share the same derivation as the Poynton Warrens.
Still, you say, this would be the same Plantagenet blood, but not so fast. The same book suggests that the Warren of Poynton line did not descend from the 8th Earl's liaison, but instead descended from a younger son of the second Earl (which would give them a non-Plantagenet male line).
(Of course, the above is predicated on the Irish line having any validity back to their supposed founder, Edward.)
The story of this Edward and the alleged line of descent from him starts
on pp. 194-195:
"John, seventh Earl of Warren and Surrey, married, as his second wife,
Joan, daughter of William Lord Mowbray, by whom he had a third son,
Edward, called Sir Edward in the Latin pedigree of the College of Arms,
England.
This Sir Edward Warren was the first of his family who settled in
Ireland, about A.D. 1310, when he was only seventeen years of age, or
thereabouts. He married, about 1315, Anne, daughter of John Bremingham,
Earl of Lowth, by his wife Mary Anne, daughter of Sir John Netterville
and his wife Philadolphia, daughter of Hugh de Lacy, Chief Justice of
Ireland. Sir Edward charged his checky shield with a canton gules
bearing a lion rampant argent, his mother's cognizance, to distinguish
the family from that of John, the eighth Earl of Warren and Surrey. He
had by his wife Anne, a son -
Nicholas Warren, Esq., who married Dorothy, daughter of Sir
Christopher D'Arcy of Platten, Co. Meath (there may have been other
issue of this and other generations at this remote period, but the
direct descent in one line is only given, till we come to the 16th
century, or thereabouts), and had, by Dorothy, a son -
William Warren, Esq., of Corduff, Co. Dublin, born about the year
1335, who upon the death of John, eighth Earl of Warren and Surrey, in
1347, without lawful issue, was the legitimate heir to the honours of
this ancient earldom. In exchange for one of his English domains,
William acquired the manor of Corduff, which remained in the family till
the beginning of the 19th century. He married Mary (or Anne), daughter
of John Hussey, Baron of Galtrim, by whom he had a son ..."
Does anyone know if, and where, this picks up verifiable information?
Peter Stewart