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Tremayne ancestors of Lady Diana Spencer and Sarah Ferguson and their other descendants
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Leo
2012-12-16 03:33:17 UTC
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I have a record of

Thomas Tremayne, who died 1 February 1482, and who had married Elizabeth Carew.
I have only one child for them, Joan who married Sir Richard Edgecombe, of Othele.

Apparently he had seven children: John (sometime sheriff of Cornwall), Joan, Elizabeth, Agnes, Catherine, Jane and Christopher

John Tremayne, the sometime sheriff of Cornwall, married Jane Warre, and they had six children:
Maud, Constance, Thomas, Richard, John and Margaret (Margaret apparently married Oliver Wise about 1470, some 12 years before her grandfather died.

Can anyone confirm that Thomas Tremayne and Elizabeth Carew did have seven children?
Can anyone confirm that John and Jane Warre did have six children?

With many thanks
Leo van der Pas
Canberra, Australia
Richard Carruthers
2012-12-16 03:46:56 UTC
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Leo, these Tremaynes intermarried with my Ernle family once, so I have
some material on this I shall look over for you.

Cheers,

Richard
Post by Leo
I have a record of
Thomas Tremayne, who died 1 February 1482, and who had married Elizabeth
Carew.
I have only one child for them, Joan who married Sir Richard Edgecombe, of
Othele.
Apparently he had seven children: John (sometime sheriff of Cornwall), Joan,
Elizabeth, Agnes, Catherine, Jane and Christopher
John Tremayne, the sometime sheriff of Cornwall, married Jane Warre, and
Maud, Constance, Thomas, Richard, John and Margaret (Margaret apparently
married Oliver Wise about 1470, some 12 years before her grandfather died.
Can anyone confirm that Thomas Tremayne and Elizabeth Carew did have seven
children?
Can anyone confirm that John and Jane Warre did have six children?
With many thanks
Leo van der Pas
Canberra, Australia
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Richard Carruthers
2012-12-16 05:02:06 UTC
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Hi again Leo,

My ancestral uncle William ERNLE, of Bideford, Devon
(http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00500668&tree=LEO),
one of the younger sons of Thomas ERNLE, of Brembridge manor, Dilton,
Westbury, Wilts. (d. 1595), by his wife, Praxed(is) or Praxeda LAMBE
(of the Coulston, Wilts., family), married Philippa TREMAYNE.
http://sonyericssonxperia.org/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2Jvb2tzLmdvb2dsZS5jb20vYm9va3M%2FaWQ9WU5jX0FBQUFjQUFKJmFtcDtwZz1QQTU4OCZhbXA7ZHE9JTIyZWFybmx5K29mK2JpZGVmb3JkJTIyJmFtcDtobD1lbg%3D%3D

She is a descendant of the eldest son John TREMAYNE, sometime sheriff
of Cornwall. You can see more of him here:

A view of Devonshire in 1630. with a Pedigree of most of its gentry: Edited ...
By Thomas Westcote
http://sonyericssonxperia.org/index.php?q=aHR0cDovL2Jvb2tzLmdvb2dsZS5jb20vYm9va3M%2FaWQ9WU5jX0FBQUFjQUFKJnBnPVBBNTg3JmRxPSUyMmVhcm5seStvZitiaWRlZm9yZCUyMg%3D%3D

I you live in a view restricting jurisdiction as I do in Canada you
can unlink the foregoing thus:

first use a blind proxy server such as http://sonyericssonxperia.org/

and in the slot/box below the words: Enter the URL Address:

enter: books.google.com/advanced_book_search

then click the tab marked "Browse!*"

It should then take you to the google book search advanced search page
but viewed with the tiresome local viewing restrictions removed.

Thus: http://sonyericssonxperia.org/index.php?q=Ym9va3MuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS9hZHZhbmNlZF9ib29rX3NlYXJjaA%3D%3D&hl=3ed


This page allows you to select the number of results (hits) on a given
topic you wish each page to generate from 10 to 100. Then in the
spaces indicated thus:

"with the exact phrase" put a key search term, in this case "Earnly
of Bideford"

and in the box below it marked "with at least one of the words" put
the word Tremayne

That should generate 2 results including the viewable and downloadable
book I referred to above. The results page looks like:



A view of Devonshire in 1630. with a Pedigree of most of its ...
books.google.com
Thomas Westcote - 1845
... knight, and had issue Francis and Francis both sans issue, Katharine
unmarried, Elizabeth, (mar-' ried to John Giffard, of Halsberry,
esq.;) Philippa, (to
Earnly, of Bideford, and Wiltshire, esq., sans issue.) Digory Tremayne
(third son,
and heir ...

The History of the Treman, Tremaine, Truman Family in America: ...
books.google.com
Ebenezer Mack Treman - 1901
Francis and Francis both sons' issue, Katharine unmarried, Elizabeth
(married to
John Gifford of Halsberry, Esq.;) Philippa (to Earnly of Bideford and
Wiltshire. Esq
., son's issue). Digory Tremayne (third son, and heir to his brother
Edmund) ...

One can proceed from there by clicking on the weblink to the page view
for the book.

Of course, any number of searches can be done on the main search page.
One comes to mind as phrase: "Elizabeth Carew" with the additional
word Tremayne in the box below it.

Good luck.

Richard:)
Post by Leo
I have a record of
Thomas Tremayne, who died 1 February 1482, and who had married Elizabeth
Carew.
I have only one child for them, Joan who married Sir Richard Edgecombe, of
Othele.
Apparently he had seven children: John (sometime sheriff of Cornwall), Joan,
Elizabeth, Agnes, Catherine, Jane and Christopher
John Tremayne, the sometime sheriff of Cornwall, married Jane Warre, and
Maud, Constance, Thomas, Richard, John and Margaret (Margaret apparently
married Oliver Wise about 1470, some 12 years before her grandfather died.
Can anyone confirm that Thomas Tremayne and Elizabeth Carew did have seven
children?
Can anyone confirm that John and Jane Warre did have six children?
With many thanks
Leo van der Pas
Canberra, Australia
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Doug Smith
2012-12-16 11:24:51 UTC
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Leo

these are the refs. I have for this family:

The Visitation of the County of Devon, 1564, ed. Frederic Thomas Colby, Exeter, (1881), pps 52-54. J. L. Vivian, The Visitations of Cornwall, 1530, 1573, 1620, Exeter, (1887), pps 616-617. BLG 1952. Commoners, Vol. I, Tremayne of Heligan.

Doug Smith
Brad Verity
2012-12-16 21:23:41 UTC
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Post by Leo
I have a record of
Thomas Tremayne, who died 1 February 1482, and who had married Elizabeth Carew.
I have only one child for them, Joan who married Sir Richard Edgecombe, of Othele.
I also only (so far) have the one child for them - Joan Tremayne
Edgcumbe. Elizabeth Carew is descended from Edward I thru her father
Sir Thomas Carew of Mohun Ottery (1368-1431), whom you have in your
database, here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00526027&tree=LEO

So this gives you an additional line from Edward I for Princess Diana.
Post by Leo
Apparently he had seven children: John (sometime sheriff of Cornwall), Joan, Elizabeth, Agnes, Catherine, Jane and Christopher
Maud, Constance, Thomas, Richard, John and Margaret (Margaret apparently married Oliver Wise about 1470, some 12 years before her grandfather died.
Can anyone confirm that Thomas Tremayne and Elizabeth Carew did have seven children?
Can anyone confirm that John and Jane Warre did have six children?
Thomas's bio in Wedgwood's HOP:

“TREMAYNE, Thomas (1405-81); of Collacomb in Lamerton, Devon. M.P.
Tavistock 1449 (1). S. and h. of Nicholas Tremayne of same by Jane d.
and h. of John Dodscombe (Ex inf. J.J. Alexander. Thos. Tremayne was
named, and therefore living, in the inq.p.m. on his father’s mother
Isabel (9 Hen. IV. No. 43), heiress of Damerel); m. Elizabeth da. of
Thomas Carew. He sued Nicholas Radford and Roger Champernoun in mar.
1439; was owed £20 in 1441; in Jan. 1449 while Membr of Parlt. he
issued letters of attorney to give seisin to his son Laurence and
Elizabeth, da. of John Penros Methele, of his lands in Treveder, Mogen
Vyhan and Chynal next Henford (Cat. Anc. Deeds, iv. 365). D., 1 Feb.
1481, when John, aged 30, was his s. and h.; lands--Devon.”

Doesn't confirm the seven children, but it does confirm the son and
heir, John Tremayne, and provides an estimated birthdate for him of
about 1450.

Cheers, -----Brad
Wjhonson
2012-12-16 22:36:07 UTC
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What source gives you that Elizabeth's father Thomas was of Mohun Ottery at all, let alone this particular one?








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Post by Leo
I have a record of
Thomas Tremayne, who died 1 February 1482, and who had married Elizabeth Carew.
I have only one child for them, Joan who married Sir Richard Edgecombe, of Othele.
I also only (so far) have the one child for them - Joan Tremayne
Edgcumbe. Elizabeth Carew is descended from Edward I thru her father
Sir Thomas Carew of Mohun Ottery (1368-1431), whom you have in your
database, here:
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00526027&tree=LEO

So this gives you an additional line from Edward I for Princess Diana.
Post by Leo
Apparently he had seven children: John (sometime sheriff of Cornwall), Joan,
Elizabeth, Agnes, Catherine, Jane and Christopher
Post by Leo
John Tremayne, the sometime sheriff of Cornwall, married Jane Warre, and they
Maud, Constance, Thomas, Richard, John and Margaret (Margaret apparently
married Oliver Wise about 1470, some 12 years before her grandfather died.
Post by Leo
Can anyone confirm that Thomas Tremayne and Elizabeth Carew did have seven children?
Can anyone confirm that John and Jane Warre did have six children?
Thomas's bio in Wedgwood's HOP:

“TREMAYNE, Thomas (1405-81); of Collacomb in Lamerton, Devon. M.P.
Tavistock 1449 (1). S. and h. of Nicholas Tremayne of same by Jane d.
and h. of John Dodscombe (Ex inf. J.J. Alexander. Thos. Tremayne was
named, and therefore living, in the inq.p.m. on his father’s mother
Isabel (9 Hen. IV. No. 43), heiress of Damerel); m. Elizabeth da. of
Thomas Carew. He sued Nicholas Radford and Roger Champernoun in mar.
1439; was owed £20 in 1441; in Jan. 1449 while Membr of Parlt. he
issued letters of attorney to give seisin to his son Laurence and
Elizabeth, da. of John Penros Methele, of his lands in Treveder, Mogen
Vyhan and Chynal next Henford (Cat. Anc. Deeds, iv. 365). D., 1 Feb.
1481, when John, aged 30, was his s. and h.; lands--Devon.”

Doesn't confirm the seven children, but it does confirm the son and
heir, John Tremayne, and provides an estimated birthdate for him of
about 1450.

Cheers, -----Brad

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Brad Verity
2012-12-16 23:17:37 UTC
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Post by Wjhonson
What source gives you that Elizabeth's father Thomas was of Mohun Ottery at all, let alone this particular one?
Me - I'm my source. Per his bio by Anne Curry in ODNB, "Thomas
[Carew] served on Richard II's first expedition to Ireland in 1394. By
this time he was married to Elizabeth (d. 1450/51), daughter of Sir
William Bonville (d. 1408), and already had two daughters."

So the couple did have daughters, even though the Carew Visitation
pedigree only names 2 sons, Nicholas (the heir) & Hugh.
Chronologically, it's a fit that Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Tremayne (c.
1405-1481), was the daughter of Sir Thomas Carew of Mohun Ottery
(1368-1431) & Elizabeth Bonville (c.1376-1451), and geographically
it's a fit, with the Carews and the Tremaynes both being Devon
families.

Cheers, -----Brad
Wjhonson
2012-12-17 17:47:29 UTC
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Shocking. A personal theory?
Aren't you scared of John Higgins?







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Subject: Re: Tremayne ancestors of Lady Diana Spencer and Sarah Ferguson and their other descendants
Post by Wjhonson
What source gives you that Elizabeth's father Thomas was of Mohun Ottery at
all, let alone this particular one?

Me - I'm my source. Per his bio by Anne Curry in ODNB, "Thomas
[Carew] served on Richard II's first expedition to Ireland in 1394. By
this time he was married to Elizabeth (d. 1450/51), daughter of Sir
William Bonville (d. 1408), and already had two daughters."

So the couple did have daughters, even though the Carew Visitation
pedigree only names 2 sons, Nicholas (the heir) & Hugh.
Chronologically, it's a fit that Elizabeth, wife of Thomas Tremayne (c.
1405-1481), was the daughter of Sir Thomas Carew of Mohun Ottery
(1368-1431) & Elizabeth Bonville (c.1376-1451), and geographically
it's a fit, with the Carews and the Tremaynes both being Devon
families.

Cheers, -----Brad


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m***@internode.on.net
2012-12-16 23:00:18 UTC
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Hi Leo and Brad

My grandchildren descend from the John Tremayne who married Jane Warre.
Then Margaret Tremayne who married Oliver Wise, Thomasine Wise, Margaret
Beaumont, Edward Chichester of Raleigh, Sir John Chichester, Elizabeth
Chichester, Frances Coreton, Theodore Walrond 3rd Marques of Valledo, George
Walrond, Benjamin Charnock Walrond, Benjamin Walrond, Adelaide Louisa
Walrond, Ernest Walrond Bryant, and Dorothy Walrond Bryant who was my
grandchildren's great grandmother.

Merilyn









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From: Brad Verity

Date: 17/12/2012 7:56:21 AM

To: gen-***@rootsweb.com

Subject: Re: Tremayne ancestors of Lady Diana Spencer and Sarah Ferguson
andtheir other descendants
Post by Leo
I have a record of
Thomas Tremayne, who died 1 February 1482, and who had married Elizabeth Carew.
I have only one child for them, Joan who married Sir Richard Edgecombe, of Othele.
I also only (so far) have the one child for them - Joan Tremayne

Edgcumbe. Elizabeth Carew is descended from Edward I thru her father

Sir Thomas Carew of Mohun Ottery (1368-1431), whom you have in your

Database, here:

http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00526027&tree=LEO



So this gives you an additional line from Edward I for Princess Diana.
Post by Leo
Apparently he had seven children: John (sometime sheriff of Cornwall),
Joan, Elizabeth, Agnes, Catherine, Jane and Christopher
Post by Leo
John Tremayne, the sometime sheriff of Cornwall, married Jane Warre, and
Maud, Constance, Thomas, Richard, John and Margaret (Margaret apparently
married Oliver Wise about 1470, some 12 years before her grandfather died.
Post by Leo
Can anyone confirm that Thomas Tremayne and Elizabeth Carew did have seven children?
Can anyone confirm that John and Jane Warre did have six children?
Thomas's bio in Wedgwood's HOP:



“TREMAYNE, Thomas (1405-81); of Collacomb in Lamerton, Devon. M.P.

Tavistock 1449 (1). S. And h. Of Nicholas Tremayne of same by Jane d.

And h. Of John Dodscombe (Ex inf. J.J. Alexander. Thos. Tremayne was

Named, and therefore living, in the inq.p.m. On his father’s mother

Isabel (9 Hen. IV. No. 43), heiress of Damerel); m. Elizabeth DA. Of

Thomas Carew. He sued Nicholas Radford and Roger Champernoun in mar.

1439; was owed £20 in 1441; in Jan. 1449 while Membr of Parlt. He

Issued letters of attorney to give seisin to his son Laurence and

Elizabeth, DA. Of John Penros Methele, of his lands in Treveder, Mogen

Vyhan and Chynal next Henford (Cat. Anc. Deeds, iv. 365). D., 1 Feb.

1481, when John, aged 30, was his s. And h.; lands--Devon.”



Doesn't confirm the seven children, but it does confirm the son and

Heir, John Tremayne, and provides an estimated birthdate for him of

About 1450.



Cheers, -----Brad



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