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Some further refs. to Rev. John Heart & family
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(1) Wariston's Diary from 1656, p. 39, mentions: "I thought it observable that M. J. Hart h[e]ard the Lord Henry Cromwell saye that the President [Broghill] had written to Ingland and Irland that he had drawen over the pryme ministerye of Scotland to the present government ..."


http://digital.nls.uk/scottish-history-society-publications/browse/archive/126777435


[Find previous posting showing that Rev. John Heart/Hart had a meeting with Henry Cromwell, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, at Dublin, late 1650s.]


(2) _Register of Consultations_, 2:154, the Rev. James Sharpe writes: "that you are much wanting to your cause who doe not take care of what stamp they are who are sent from Scotland to be ministers in Ireland; he hears the most of the Scottish ministers there are Remonstrators, amongst whom M. Hart is a leading man ..."


http://digital.nls.uk/scottish-history-society-publications/browse/archive/126728883

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Additionally, Jan's transcription of the 1757 will of Katherine (Craighead) Homes's brother, Samuel Craighead, merchant of London, shows a certain interesting bequest: "I give to my Niece Martha Cottrole one hundred poundes and to each of her Sons Charles and Joh. Cottrole one hundred pounds."


http://www-personal.umich.edu/~bobwolfe/gen/pn/p13015.htm

It seems quite likely this niece is Martha [nee Orr] of Londonderry, Ireland, wife of Colonel John Cottrell, who is stated to have had an eldest son Charles and second son John, the same order as they were named in the Samual Craighead will, above:


https://books.google.com/books?id=eSwwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA22&dq=%22martha+orr%22+cottrell&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfpYKLsYnVAhVFQCYKHaNWCrg4ChDoAQgrMAE#v=onepage&q=%22martha%20orr%22%20cottrell&f=false


Notice that John Cottrell's mother was descended from Lords Dacre and North, and that he also had an ancestor who had served as steward of the household to the Queen of Bohemia (ie., Princess Elizabeth, the daughter of James I & VI).
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2018-01-17 19:20:47 UTC
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I believe Sir Jack Boles, former head of the National Trust (UK) in the 1970s/80s, would be a descendant of Gen. John Cottrell and his wife Martha through the Lefroy, Crofton, and Boles families.

http://www.jjhc.info/boleshilda1943.htm

http://www.jjhc.info/croftonduke1917.htm

http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio.php?id_nbr=5650
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I believe Sir Jack Boles, former head of the National Trust (UK) in the 1970s/80s, would be a descendant of Gen. John Cottrell and his wife Martha through the Lefroy, Crofton, and Boles families.
http://www.jjhc.info/boleshilda1943.htm
http://www.jjhc.info/croftonduke1917.htm
http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio.php?id_nbr=5650
Another Cottrell (and Orr, Craighead, etc.) descendant would be the British painter Anthony Eyton, born 1923:

http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/anthony-eyton-1075

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Eyton

Martha Orr = Col. [?Gen.] John Cottrell
Rev. Charles Jeffreys Cottrell = Fanny Smith
Sophia Cottrell = John H. G. Lefroy of Ewshott House, Hampshire
Isabella Elizabeth Lefroy = Rev. Charles Frederick Seymour
Agnes Isabella Seymour = Philip Eyton
Capt. John Seymour Eyton = Phyllis Tyser
Anthony Eyton

https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=janeausten&id=I2125
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I believe Sir Jack Boles, former head of the National Trust (UK) in the 1970s/80s, would be a descendant of Gen. John Cottrell and his wife Martha through the Lefroy, Crofton, and Boles families.
http://www.jjhc.info/boleshilda1943.htm
http://www.jjhc.info/croftonduke1917.htm
http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio.php?id_nbr=5650
http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/anthony-eyton-1075
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Eyton
Martha Orr = Col. [?Gen.] John Cottrell
Rev. Charles Jeffreys Cottrell = Fanny Smith
Sophia Cottrell = John H. G. Lefroy of Ewshott House, Hampshire
Isabella Elizabeth Lefroy = Rev. Charles Frederick Seymour
Agnes Isabella Seymour = Philip Eyton
Capt. John Seymour Eyton = Phyllis Tyser
Anthony Eyton
https://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=janeausten&id=I2125
Anthony Eyton may be the uncle of David G.P. Eyton, Chief Technology Officer of BP:

https://vimeo.com/234819998

G3. Philip Eyton, Lt.Col., * 1847, + 1907, Md. 1888, Agnes Isabella Seymour, + 1950, d. of Rev. C. F. Seymour, Rector of Winchfield, Hampshire.

H1. John Seymour Eyton, of Silchester, Berkshire, * 1890, +, Md.1) 1920, Phyllis Annie Tyser, + 1929, d. of Capt. Hugh Tyser, of Marden, Kent.

I1. Anthony John Plowden Eyton, * 1923, Md. 1960, Frances Mary Capell, d. of James Alwyn Capell, of Kingston, Ontario, Canada.
J1. Jane Elizabeth Eyton, * 1961.
J2. Claire Alice Eyton, * 1963.
J3. Sarah Mary Eyton, * 1964.
Md.2) 1931, Isabel Adams, d. of Rev. Henry Theophilus Adams, of Silchester, Berkshire.
I2. Robert Henry Eyton, Maj., * 1932, Md. 1960, Jean Mary Blake, d. of Geoffrey D. Blake, of Leatherhead, Surrey.
J1. David Geoffrey Philip Eyton, * 1961.
J2. Sally Mary Anne Eyton, * 1963.
I3. Anne Isabel May Eyton, * 1935, + 1958, Md. 1956, James Ivor Symes, of Widecombe-in-the-Moor, Devon, s. of Ivor T. J. Symes, of Basingstoke, Hampshire.

H2. Robert William Eyton, Lt., * 1895, + 1918 killed in action at Flary.

H3. Muriel Rose Eyton, * 1893, + 1972.

H4. Phyllis Winifred Eyton, of Crondall, Hampshire, * 1894, +, Md.1) 1925, Maj. Walter Macandrew Crockett, Issue; Md.2) 1939, Balcombe Langridge Seton-Winton, + 1957.

http://www.william1.co.uk/r61.htm
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1629, 1st Feb. Bishop present. "Quhilk day David Heart, writter, having asked the consent of my L. Bishop, minister and elders of the session, that he might have a convenient place wtin the Cathedral Kirk of S. Magnus to big a seate for himselfe, his wife and his airs, Quhairunto they all in one voice most willinglie condiscend, and ordains the said seat to be bigged upon the west side of the pillar where the pulpit and the Reader's deasse stand, being direct over against the goodman of Essinquoy's seat."

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=hvd.32044081262545&view=1up&seq=120&skin=2021&q1=heart
Johnny Brananas
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"Remember David Hart and wret your mynd to him ..." [ca. 1630]

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b758502&view=1up&seq=285&skin=2021&q1=%22david%20hart%22
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https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015014521010&view=1up&seq=180&skin=2021&q1=%22david%20hart%22
Johnny Brananas
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Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne
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2021-12-05 17:46:22 UTC
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Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne
Here's the whole text, from "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church", "by the late Rev. James McConnell, B.A., revised by the late Rev. S. G. McConnell, B.A." In The Genealogists' Magazine volume 7, no. 11, September 1937, page 586. The John Hart bio is on page 589.

HART, JOHN: b. Scotland; educ. St. Andrews; M.A. (St. And.) 1637; ord. at Crail, 22 March 1642/3; mar. 1644, Agnes Baxter; res. 1646; inst. Dunino, 30 Dec. 1646; res. 1650; inst. Dunkeld, 1650; joined the Protesters 1651, and was dep. 1652; inst. Hamilton (2nd charge), 23 Jan. 1653. In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart. Inst. Taughboyne (Monreagh) 1656. Recd. £150 a year as from 29 Sept. last, from the Protectorate on the petition of the inhabitants and report of Drs. Winter and Harrison, and Mr. Mather as to his piety, etc., and that he had been there near half a year and had a great charge of children (25 March 1656). Dep. for non-conformity, 1661, but continued to minister.

On a visit to Dublin in the winter of 1662/3 some of those engaged in Blood's Plot applied to Mr. Hart for his concurrence. When examined later as to his complicity he incautiously dropped a word that brought trouble to Mr. Thos. Boyd, M.P. for Bangor. In vindicating himself he said that when the plot was revealed to him he expressed his abhorrence, as Mr. Boyd in Dublin knew. This led to Mr. Boyd's arrest and subsequent expulsion from the House of Commons. Hart seems to have been liberated on bail to appear when called upon. Excommunicated and imprisoned in Lifford, 1664-70, for disobeying a summons, issued by Robt. Leslie, Bp. of Raphoe, to appear before his court. Fined 20 and imprisoned 8 months for his connexion with a Fast (17 Feb. 1681), appointed by Laggan Presby.

Died 8 Jan. 1687, aged 70; int. at Taughboyne.

[Reff.: Adair, Narrative: A/26, f. 193 (Seymour Transcripts): Evangl. Witness, 1868, p. 17: Scott, Fasti (o.c.), ii, 421, 760, 786; (n.e.) iii, 262; vii, 530: Mins. of Laggan Meeting: Reid, ii, 224, 304: Carte Papers, 32, p. 412.]
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Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne
Here's the whole text, from "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church", "by the late Rev. James McConnell, B.A., revised by the late Rev. S. G. McConnell, B.A." In The Genealogists' Magazine volume 7, no. 11, September 1937, page 586. The John Hart bio is on page 589.
HART, JOHN: b. Scotland; educ. St. Andrews; M.A. (St. And.) 1637; ord. at Crail, 22 March 1642/3; mar. 1644, Agnes Baxter; res. 1646; inst. Dunino, 30 Dec. 1646; res. 1650; inst. Dunkeld, 1650; joined the Protesters 1651, and was dep. 1652; inst. Hamilton (2nd charge), 23 Jan. 1653. In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart. Inst. Taughboyne (Monreagh) 1656. Recd. £150 a year as from 29 Sept. last, from the Protectorate on the petition of the inhabitants and report of Drs. Winter and Harrison, and Mr. Mather as to his piety, etc., and that he had been there near half a year and had a great charge of children (25 March 1656). Dep. for non-conformity, 1661, but continued to minister.
On a visit to Dublin in the winter of 1662/3 some of those engaged in Blood's Plot applied to Mr. Hart for his concurrence. When examined later as to his complicity he incautiously dropped a word that brought trouble to Mr. Thos. Boyd, M.P. for Bangor. In vindicating himself he said that when the plot was revealed to him he expressed his abhorrence, as Mr. Boyd in Dublin knew. This led to Mr. Boyd's arrest and subsequent expulsion from the House of Commons. Hart seems to have been liberated on bail to appear when called upon. Excommunicated and imprisoned in Lifford, 1664-70, for disobeying a summons, issued by Robt. Leslie, Bp. of Raphoe, to appear before his court. Fined 20 and imprisoned 8 months for his connexion with a Fast (17 Feb. 1681), appointed by Laggan Presby.
Died 8 Jan. 1687, aged 70; int. at Taughboyne.
[Reff.: Adair, Narrative: A/26, f. 193 (Seymour Transcripts): Evangl. Witness, 1868, p. 17: Scott, Fasti (o.c.), ii, 421, 760, 786; (n.e.) iii, 262; vii, 530: Mins. of Laggan Meeting: Reid, ii, 224, 304: Carte Papers, 32, p. 412.]
I don't see any mention of Thomas Boyd, burgess for Bangor, in the HOP series for 1660-90.

https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/1660-1690/B

Or was there an Irish parliament at the time?
John Higgins
2021-12-06 17:40:19 UTC
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Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne
Here's the whole text, from "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church", "by the late Rev. James McConnell, B.A., revised by the late Rev. S. G. McConnell, B.A." In The Genealogists' Magazine volume 7, no. 11, September 1937, page 586. The John Hart bio is on page 589.
HART, JOHN: b. Scotland; educ. St. Andrews; M.A. (St. And.) 1637; ord. at Crail, 22 March 1642/3; mar. 1644, Agnes Baxter; res. 1646; inst. Dunino, 30 Dec. 1646; res. 1650; inst. Dunkeld, 1650; joined the Protesters 1651, and was dep. 1652; inst. Hamilton (2nd charge), 23 Jan. 1653. In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart. Inst. Taughboyne (Monreagh) 1656. Recd. £150 a year as from 29 Sept. last, from the Protectorate on the petition of the inhabitants and report of Drs. Winter and Harrison, and Mr. Mather as to his piety, etc., and that he had been there near half a year and had a great charge of children (25 March 1656). Dep. for non-conformity, 1661, but continued to minister.
On a visit to Dublin in the winter of 1662/3 some of those engaged in Blood's Plot applied to Mr. Hart for his concurrence. When examined later as to his complicity he incautiously dropped a word that brought trouble to Mr. Thos. Boyd, M.P. for Bangor. In vindicating himself he said that when the plot was revealed to him he expressed his abhorrence, as Mr. Boyd in Dublin knew. This led to Mr. Boyd's arrest and subsequent expulsion from the House of Commons. Hart seems to have been liberated on bail to appear when called upon. Excommunicated and imprisoned in Lifford, 1664-70, for disobeying a summons, issued by Robt. Leslie, Bp. of Raphoe, to appear before his court. Fined 20 and imprisoned 8 months for his connexion with a Fast (17 Feb. 1681), appointed by Laggan Presby.
Died 8 Jan. 1687, aged 70; int. at Taughboyne.
[Reff.: Adair, Narrative: A/26, f. 193 (Seymour Transcripts): Evangl. Witness, 1868, p. 17: Scott, Fasti (o.c.), ii, 421, 760, 786; (n.e.) iii, 262; vii, 530: Mins. of Laggan Meeting: Reid, ii, 224, 304: Carte Papers, 32, p. 412.]
I don't see any mention of Thomas Boyd, burgess for Bangor, in the HOP series for 1660-90.
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/1660-1690/B
Or was there an Irish parliament at the time?
Yes, there was a parliament in Ireland at the time - although I've read that it met only sporadically during most of the Stuart era. It became a more established body, with more regular meetings, staring in 1692, after the Battle of the Boyne. The MPs from 1692 until the parliament was dissolved in 1800 are well documented in the excellent 6-volume series "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", by Edith Mary Johnston-Liik (2002). I don't know if there is a similar comprehensive source for Irish parliaments prior to 1692. Maybe someone else will know...
Johnny Brananas
2021-12-06 17:58:30 UTC
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Snippet views on Google Books show a little potted Fasti-style biography of the Rev. John Heart/ Hart of Taughboyne, Ireland, in _The Genealogists' Magazine_, apparently from vol. 7 (1935). One of the statements made is: "In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart," [who was then serving at Hamilton near Glasgow]. He was installed at Taughboyne / Monreagh in Ireland the following year.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=hart+taughboine&dq=hart+taughboine&printsec=frontcover
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Genealogists_Magazine/2CM9AQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=taughboyne
Here's the whole text, from "Fasti of the Irish Presbyterian Church", "by the late Rev. James McConnell, B.A., revised by the late Rev. S. G. McConnell, B.A." In The Genealogists' Magazine volume 7, no. 11, September 1937, page 586. The John Hart bio is on page 589.
HART, JOHN: b. Scotland; educ. St. Andrews; M.A. (St. And.) 1637; ord. at Crail, 22 March 1642/3; mar. 1644, Agnes Baxter; res. 1646; inst. Dunino, 30 Dec. 1646; res. 1650; inst. Dunkeld, 1650; joined the Protesters 1651, and was dep. 1652; inst. Hamilton (2nd charge), 23 Jan. 1653. In Oct. 1655, a Commissr. from Taughboyne appeared at the Syn. of Glasgow and Ayr with a call to Mr. Hart. Inst. Taughboyne (Monreagh) 1656. Recd. £150 a year as from 29 Sept. last, from the Protectorate on the petition of the inhabitants and report of Drs. Winter and Harrison, and Mr. Mather as to his piety, etc., and that he had been there near half a year and had a great charge of children (25 March 1656). Dep. for non-conformity, 1661, but continued to minister.
On a visit to Dublin in the winter of 1662/3 some of those engaged in Blood's Plot applied to Mr. Hart for his concurrence. When examined later as to his complicity he incautiously dropped a word that brought trouble to Mr. Thos. Boyd, M.P. for Bangor. In vindicating himself he said that when the plot was revealed to him he expressed his abhorrence, as Mr. Boyd in Dublin knew. This led to Mr. Boyd's arrest and subsequent expulsion from the House of Commons. Hart seems to have been liberated on bail to appear when called upon. Excommunicated and imprisoned in Lifford, 1664-70, for disobeying a summons, issued by Robt. Leslie, Bp. of Raphoe, to appear before his court. Fined 20 and imprisoned 8 months for his connexion with a Fast (17 Feb. 1681), appointed by Laggan Presby.
Died 8 Jan. 1687, aged 70; int. at Taughboyne.
[Reff.: Adair, Narrative: A/26, f. 193 (Seymour Transcripts): Evangl. Witness, 1868, p. 17: Scott, Fasti (o.c.), ii, 421, 760, 786; (n.e.) iii, 262; vii, 530: Mins. of Laggan Meeting: Reid, ii, 224, 304: Carte Papers, 32, p. 412.]
I don't see any mention of Thomas Boyd, burgess for Bangor, in the HOP series for 1660-90.
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/1660-1690/B
Or was there an Irish parliament at the time?
Yes, there was a parliament in Ireland at the time - although I've read that it met only sporadically during most of the Stuart era. It became a more established body, with more regular meetings, staring in 1692, after the Battle of the Boyne. The MPs from 1692 until the parliament was dissolved in 1800 are well documented in the excellent 6-volume series "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", by Edith Mary Johnston-Liik (2002). I don't know if there is a similar comprehensive source for Irish parliaments prior to 1692. Maybe someone else will know...
Thanks. I vaguely recalled that the Johnston-Liik work covered a later period. Our copy has been checked out to a professor for over fifteen years now.
John Higgins
2021-12-06 18:10:47 UTC
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I don't see any mention of Thomas Boyd, burgess for Bangor, in the HOP series for 1660-90.
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/1660-1690/B
Or was there an Irish parliament at the time?
Yes, there was a parliament in Ireland at the time - although I've read that it met only sporadically during most of the Stuart era. It became a more established body, with more regular meetings, staring in 1692, after the Battle of the Boyne. The MPs from 1692 until the parliament was dissolved in 1800 are well documented in the excellent 6-volume series "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", by Edith Mary Johnston-Liik (2002). I don't know if there is a similar comprehensive source for Irish parliaments prior to 1692. Maybe someone else will know...
Thanks. I vaguely recalled that the Johnston-Liik work covered a later period. Our copy has been checked out to a professor for over fifteen years now.
If you need an occasional look-up from the Johnson-Liik work, I can help. A number of years ago I purchased a set at a remainder-sale price - quite cheap. It's been very useful to have.
Johnny Brananas
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I don't see any mention of Thomas Boyd, burgess for Bangor, in the HOP series for 1660-90.
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/research/members/1660-1690/B
Or was there an Irish parliament at the time?
Yes, there was a parliament in Ireland at the time - although I've read that it met only sporadically during most of the Stuart era. It became a more established body, with more regular meetings, staring in 1692, after the Battle of the Boyne. The MPs from 1692 until the parliament was dissolved in 1800 are well documented in the excellent 6-volume series "History of the Irish Parliament 1692-1800", by Edith Mary Johnston-Liik (2002). I don't know if there is a similar comprehensive source for Irish parliaments prior to 1692. Maybe someone else will know...
Thanks. I vaguely recalled that the Johnston-Liik work covered a later period. Our copy has been checked out to a professor for over fifteen years now.
If you need an occasional look-up from the Johnson-Liik work, I can help. A number of years ago I purchased a set at a remainder-sale price - quite cheap. It's been very useful to have.
Thanks. (I remember thinking it looked helpful the one time I saw it.)
Jan Wolfe
2021-12-07 19:08:37 UTC
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Thanks for these additional sources for the life of John Heart.

The date of John Heart's death is stated in the memorial inscription on this grave stone (IAN 8 AN 1687).
https://books.google.com/books?id=MSjV_jvdzVIC&pg=PA55
https://archive.org/details/journalforyear81asso/page/34/mode/1up

Was the start of the new year January 1 or March 25 in this part of Ireland in 1687?
James VI had moved the start of the new year in Scotland to January 1 in 1600, but he did not make a similar change in England when he became James I of England in 1603.
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/record-guides/old-parish-registers/change-in-calendar

One might think that people who had come to Ireland from Scotland in the mid 1600s would be inclined to use the dating custom of Scotland in their new home.
Jan Wolfe
2021-12-11 02:56:50 UTC
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There is a Findagrave memorial for John Heart, https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/92084723/john-hart. Jeffrey Homes has (I think recently) uploaded a photo of the gravestone, Loading Image....
The biographical notes in the Findagrave memorial include a somewhat old version of my web notes for John Heart and his wife Agnes Baxter with an old (nonworking) link. The link to my current notes is https://www-personal.umich.edu/~bobwolfe/gen/mn/m12280x12920.htm. (I've sent the current link to the Findagrave contributor so that she will be able to correct the link.)
Jeff Homes
2022-02-10 19:15:33 UTC
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David Heart mentioned here on p.179, #523. I could use some help translating the latin.
https://archive.org/details/registrummagnisi08scot/page/178/mode/2up?q=holmes&view=theater
Johnny Brananas
2022-02-10 20:23:37 UTC
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David Heart mentioned here on p.179, #523. I could use some help translating the latin.
https://archive.org/details/registrummagnisi08scot/page/178/mode/2up?q=holmes&view=theater
Something like David Hairt [Heart], writer, inheriting land in Howgoland [Hugoland] and Ollaberry, Shetland, formerly of Andrew Mowatt, eldest son and heir of the late John Mowatt of Hugoland.
Johnny Brananas
2022-02-11 15:27:45 UTC
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David Heart mentioned here on p.179, #523. I could use some help translating the latin.
https://archive.org/details/registrummagnisi08scot/page/178/mode/2up?q=holmes&view=theater
Something like David Hairt [Heart], writer, inheriting land in Howgoland [Hugoland] and Ollaberry, Shetland, formerly of Andrew Mowatt, eldest son and heir of the late John Mowatt of Hugoland.
Well, not inheriting exactly. Another entry from March 1624 in a different source shows the lands, "which all formerly pertained to Andrew Mowat, eldest lawful son and heir of the deceased John Mowat of Howgoland, ... were apprised from him at the instance of the said David Hereot [sic] in a court of apprising ... for not entering as heir to his father therein."

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uc1.$b757144&view=1up&seq=41&skin=2021&q1=%22hereot%20writer%22

Note the unusual spelling of David Heart's surname as Hereot.

I suppose since Andrew Mowatt somehow did not "enter" properly as the heir to his father, his brother-in-law David Heart/ Hereot (husband of Jean Mowatt) obtained a "Decreet of the Lords of Council and Session" against Andrew.
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2018-01-17 19:54:00 UTC
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Post by r***@yahoo.com
At any rate, William Heart's wife Helen seems to have been a granddaughter of Sir John Hay "the Incendiary."
Some genealogical book reviewed in 1935 in _The Genealogists' Mag_ apparently contains the following: "The book contains four genealogical appendices, the descent of Hay on both sides from Sir William Hay of Locherworth who died in 1421, a pedigree of his [Sir John Hay's] first wife Marion Johnston for four generations, a pedigree of John Adamson, his son-in-law, for four generations and the descent of the author from Sir John Hay."

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&tbm=bks&ei=BKhfWue_I8bXzgLkmrrIAw&q=%22a+pedigree+of+John+Adamson%22&oq=%22a+pedigree+of+John+Adamson%22&gs_l=psy-ab.3...14463.15888.0.16669.2.2.0.0.0.0.54.101.2.2.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.KIaA0F6VHo4

This could be worth checking for more information on William Heart's wife, Helen Adamson.
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2018-01-17 21:18:55 UTC
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The 1755 PCC will of Isabella's husband is helpful, as well (PROB 11/813/3).

"George Atkins of Portsmouth Dock in the County of Southampton Esquire" mentions, ratifies, and confirms the settlement made upon his wife at the time of their marriage; mentions two thousand pounds owing him, secured by mortgage on part of Lord Viscount Hereford's estate, plus various other monies, bonds, securities, mainly "to my dear wife Isabella" ... to Willes Orr, nephew of said wife and son of the Reverend Thomas Orr of the Kingdom of Ireland ..."

I guess this shows sibling status for Martha Cottrell, Isabella Atkins, Sophia Wilson, and Rev. Thomas Orr.
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2018-01-17 22:06:21 UTC
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