Disproved royal lines Re: Thomas Warren's royal ancestry

[Nathan Murphy]

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Additional documents cast further doubt on the Thomas Warren royal descent.

Thomas Warren (1621-1670), a seventeenth-century burgess in Surry County, Virginia, has long been thought to be a son of William Warren, Gentleman, of Ripple, Kent, England by his wife Catherine Gookin.[1] William Warren did indeed have a son christened Thomas at Ripple on 30 January 1624[/5].[2] In Virginia, Thomas gave his age as 40 in a deposition dated 1661, calculating an approximate year of 1621 for his birth.[3] It would fit chronologically for him to be the Thomas Warren whose headright Capt. Daniel Gookin [Jr.] claimed in Virginia in the 1640s.[4] Daniel was Catherine (Gookin) Warren’s first cousin.[5] In this scenario, Thomas would have been a first cousin once removed to Daniel Gookin. But that is not the case.

William Warren’s youngest son, Thomas Warren, was in line to inherit half of his father’s lands in Kent “in the nature and tenure of gavelkind.” William died a lunatic, intestate, in about 1636.[6] In 1647, William’s younger brother, John Warren, Gentleman, of Gray’s Inn, Middlesex sued William’s eldest son and heir, Albertus Warren, over a bond, in chancery. In this suit, it is recorded that William’s only other son was Thomas Warren and that “About a year and a half ago the said Thomas Warren departed this life without any issue of his body lawfully begotten.”[7] In 1658, Albertus Warren again informs the Lord Chancellor of England that he is the “brother and heir of Thomas Warren, late the other son and co-heir of the said William Warren.”[8]

The Virginia burgess possibly fits elsewhere in the Warren family of Ripple, Kent. For the royal descent in RD900 to hold,[9] however, it would be necessary for Thomas Warren to be the son of one of his presumed uncles: (1) Thomas Warren (bp. 1603/4),[2] whose residence as an adult is unknown, or (2) John Warren, of Gray's Inn, Middlesex (bp. 1609/10,[2] PCC sentence dated 1662).[10] This Thomas would have been 17 and John would have been 11 at about the time of the Virginian’s birth.

References
[1] Arthur Adams and H.H. d’Angerville, Living Descendants of Blood Royal 1 (1959):186-189; J.O. Buck, A.E. Langston, and T.F. Beard, eds., Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne’s Descendants 3 (1978):308-311.
[2] Ripple, Kent, England, parish registers, images, www.findmypast.co.uk.
[3] John Frederick Dorman, Adventurers of Purse and Person 3 (2007):227, who cites Surry Co. Deeds, Wills &c. 1 (1652-72):169.
[4] Virginia Land Office Patents 1 pt2, p. 847.
[5] C 8/125/201; 1619 Visitation of Kent, pp. 38, 48; Richard N. Gookins, A History and Genealogy of the Gookin Family of England, Ireland, and America (rev. ed., 1991).
[6] C 8/126/240; C 8/125/201; C 5/34/65; no PCC or ACC will.
[7] C 8/125/201.
[8] C 5/34/65.
[9] Gary Boyd Roberts, The Royal Descents of 900 Immigrants 2 (2018):778-79.
[10] PCC 74 Laud (1662) f. 169, https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/5111/40611_310351-00314/719800 (indexed John Warrer): John has a PCC sentence, but I have not been able to locate the corresponding nuncupative will. In the sentence, his wife Elizabeth, and daughter Elinor Grimes are mentioned. London St Mary Mounthaw, parish registers, images, www.ancestry.co.uk : Richard Grimes married Ellinor Warren in 1655, https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1624/31281_a102016-00003 .

With special thanks to Simon Neal for retrieving and abstracting these chancery records.


C 6/138/217

Documents:
Bill of complaint.
Writ
Abbreviated copy of bill of complaint.
The answer of Edward Boys.

Date: 1634.

Parties: John Warren, one of the younger sons of John Warren, late of the parish of Ripple, Kent, gentleman, deceased, v Edward Boys of Bonnington in the parish of Godonstone, Kent, gentleman.

Selected details: The said John Warren, the orator’s father has or had by Anne his wife, eldest daughter of Sir William Crayfford of Wingham, Kent, knight, eight children, viz William, Thomas, the orator and Edward Warren, his sons, and Anne, Elizabeth, Alice and Afra, his four daughters.
The said John, on or about the 27th September in the 10th year of the reign of James I, made his last will and testament in writing, and thereby gave to his sons the said Thomas, the orator and Edward £300 each at their several ages of 24 years. Provided that, if any of his said younger sons should depart this life before their said ages of 24 years, then their portions should be equally divided between the survivors. And in performance of the said last will and for payment of his debts and discharges of some of the legacies by him bequeathed, he made his said wife Anne his sole and only executrix, and gave and bequeathed to her all his moveable goods, except some particular parcels of household stuff and plate given to William his eldest son. And he also bequeathed to her the mean profits of all his lands and houses, wherein he had any estate of inheritance or any estate by lease until the said William should come to the age of 24 years. And he did particularly assign that the portions, which the said Anne his wife should pay, should be unto his two eldest daughters Anne and Elizabeth and to his said son Thomas and to the said orator, being £300 to each of them, in all £1,200, making other provision in and by the said last will for the payment of £300 to each of his said other younger children.
Shortly after making the said will the orator’s said father died, and at the time of his death was possessed of a great and plentiful personal estate, amounting to the sum of £1,500, being sufficient to pay all the debts of the said John Warren the orator’s father and all the legacies contained in his will, including the said portion of £300 bequeathed to the said orator, and the £300 bequeathed to the said Thomas Warren, the orator’s brother. The orator’s mother proved the said will and possessed herself of all her late husband’s goods and personal estate. Soon after in about May 19 Jas. I the said Anne married Edward Boys of Bonnington in the parish of Godonstone, Kent, gentleman. Upon which marriage it was agreed that, as the said Edward should have the greatest part of the personal estate of the orator’s father, he should pay the legacies in the will, and that Anne should take the profits of the orator’s father’s lands.
However, the said Edward Boys has taken away the said money and refused to pay the legacies.
[Further details given].


C 8/126/240

Document: The answer of John Browne to the bill of complaint of Albert Warren.

Date: 1645.

Selected details: The defendant says that John Warren was lawfully seised in his demesne as of fee of and in the manor of Alkham alias Malmand Alkham with its rights and members, and with about 47 acres of land and pasture in the parish of Alkham, Kent. Being so seised, the said John Warren by his deed dated about 12th January 10 Jas. I [1613], for a valuable consideration in money paid to the said John by Robert Broome, clerk, granted and sold the said manor to the said Robert Browne and his heirs, which said deed was executed in due form of law and livery and seisin had and taken, and so Robert Broome was lawfully seised of the said manor and lands.
John Warren, by deed dated about 20th January in the said 10th year, released all his right, title, claim and demand to the said manor to the said Robert Broome. The said Robert did peaceably and quietly possess and enjoy the said manor and lands for diverse years after his said purchase. Afterwards the said Robert, by his deed dated on about 2 Oct 22 Jas. I [1624], for a valuable consideration paid by Thomas Browne and John Browne, son of Robert Broome, granted, enfeoffed and confirmed to the said John Browne and Thomas Browne and their heirs the said manor. And the said John and Thomas were lawfully seised thereof. Then, by another deed dated 4 Oct 22 Jas. I [1624], he released all the right to the premises to the said John and Thomas. And the said John and Thomas always afterwards enjoyed the said manor and lands.
The said Thomas Browne about 10 years ago died, and the said John Browne was lawfully seised in his demesne of the premises, and he held the lands in free and common socage of the nature and tenure of gavelkind. The said John Browne, by his will, devised two third parts of the premises to the defendant and his heirs, this defendant being the son of the said John Browne, and the third part thereof the said John Browne devised to John Browne, son of the said Thomas Browne, and his heirs.
Shortly after the making of the said will, viz in about the month of March now last past, the said John Browne, the defendant’s said father, died, and the defendant entered into two parts of the premises and was lawfully seised thereof, and has held the same ever since and taken the profits thereof.
The manor and lands are of the yearly value of £20 or thereabouts. He says that he does not know that the said John Warren was in his lifetime seised of the premises, as is pretended in the bill, or that the same were of the yearly sum of £40; or that the said John Warren, when he conveyed the premises to the said Robert Browne was weak of body or mind, or that the same was about three or four days before his death, or that the same was conveyed to the said Robert Broome by way of mortgage or for any trust or for little or no consideration, or whether the said John Warren made the said Robert Broome his executor, or that the said Robert Broome by that means or otherwise got into his hands all the deeds and evidences concerning the said manor and premises.
The defendant does not know that the complainant was the son of William Warren or that the said William Warren was the son of John Warren or that the complainants or the said William Warren have or ever had any just right or title to the said manor and premises or to any part thereof, or that the said William Warren was a lunatic, or that his body and lands were committed to some friends. Nor does he know that the said Robert Broome did fear any sleeping title of the complainants.
[Further details given].


C 8/125/201

Documents:
Bill of complaint.
The joint answers of George Waller and Albert Warren.

Date: 1647.

Parties: John Warren of Grays Inn, Midd, gentleman, v George Waller and Albert Warren.

Selected details: Whereas William Warren, late of the parish of Riple, Kent, in his lifetime was justly and truly indebted to the orator in the sum of £300, and being so indebted, by his deed, dated on or about 24th April in the fourth year of the reign of the now king, did bind himself to the orator in the penal sum of £600 to be paid to the orator or his executors or administrators, upon condition that, if the said William Warren or his heirs paid to the orator £300 on 3rd September 1636, if the orator be then living, then the said deed obligatory was to be void. In his lifetime, the said William Warren married with Katherine Gookin, daughter of Thomas Gookin, esquire. And the said William Warren was in his lifetime lawfully seised in his demesne as of fee of a parcel of land called or known by the name of the Millfeild alias the Great Mill Field, containing about 20 acres, in Riple. And of and in one capital messuage, a barn, dwelling house, orchard, cottage and 82 acres of land, meadow and pasture or thereabouts. The said William Warren, being so seised of all the premises, several years before the said £300 became due, viz in or about the 11th year of the king’s reign, died so seised of the premises having issue, two only sons, viz Albert Warren, his eldest son, and Thomas Warren, his youngest son, both begotten of the body of the said Katherine, and both being infants at the time of the death of the said William Warren.
From and after whose death the said Albert, being son and heir of the said William as to the said Millfeild, the said Albert or his guardian entered into the Millfeild took the issues and profits of the said Millfeild, until the said Albert attained the age of 21 years. And Albert did not attain the said age of 21 until after the first day of April in the 21st year of the reign of the now king. And from the death of the said William Warren the said Albert and Thomas his sons or some other on their behalf entered into the said messuage and the rest of the premises, and took the profits thereof, the premises being of the nature and tenure of gavelkind.
About a year and a half ago the said Thomas Warren departed this life without any issue of his body lawfully begotten, the said Albert being his sole brother of the whole blood by father and mother. After whose death the said Albert or some other for his behalf did receive the profits of the said messuage and premises. The said sum of £300 mentioned in the condition of the said deed obligatory was not paid to the orator or his assigns on the 3rd day of September 1636 according to the tenor of the said condition, nor at any time before or since, although it has been several times demanded. Whereby the said deed obligatory became forfeited. Notwithstanding which by reason of the respective minorities of the said Albert and Thomas the orator could not effectually proceed at the law for recovery of his just debt with damages for the forbearance of the same until of late.
On the 21st day of February in the said 21st year of the now king, the said Thomas Warren being dead, the orator caused an original writ in an action of debt of £600 upon the said deed obligatory to be sued forth the high court of Chancery against the said Albert as son and heir of the said William Warren, returnable in his majesty’s Court of Common Pleas at Westminster, although the orator used the uttermost of his endeavours by a legal compulsory course to enforce the said Albert’s appearance to answer to the orator upon the said action. Notwithstanding by means of the said Albert his delays the orator could not gain an appearance from him upon the said action.
[Further details given].


C 5/34/65

Documents:
Bill of complaint.
The answer of John Warren.
The replication of Albert Warren.

Date: 1658.

Parties: Albert Warren of Riple, Kent, gentleman, v John Warren.

Selected details: Whereas John Warren does pretend that William Warren, the orator’s father, did, in April 4 Chas. I [1628], enter into a bond to the said John Warren of the penalty of £600, conditioned to pay the said John Warren the sum of £300 on 3rd September 1636, if the said John Warren should be then living, which is now about 22 years ago, which bond the said John Warren has lately put in suit against the orator as one of the sons and co-heirs of the said William Warren and brother and heir of Thomas Warren, late the other son and co-heir of the said William Warren, concerning lands held in gavelkind in Kent, whereas in truth, if there be any such bond, the same was obtained from the said William Warren, when he was a man of no disposing or understanding. And if there be any such bond, the same was gotten and obtained from the said William Warren without any just or valuable consideration, and by combination between the said John Warren and some other person or persons as yet unknown to the orator. And if there be any such bond and that the same was obtained when the said William was of a disposing memory and understanding and for good and valuable consideration, the said £300 or a great part thereof has been long since paid or satisfied by some person or persons unknown to the orator, or there has been some security or agreement given or made concerning the same, if your orator could discover the truth thereof, and there is no just cause why the orator should in equity be charged with the said bond, if any such there be, in case your orator could discover the truth of the premises. The said William Warren left a personal estate behind him sufficient to satisfy the said bond and all his just debts, which came to the disposal of his executors or administrators, whom the said John Warren did, would or might have sued and questioned in case the said bond had been just to be paid. But the said bond is now put in suit against the orator by the instigation, procurement and at the costs and charges of some person or persons, to whom the said John Warren is indebted, or is to have some of the money or land to be recovered, if any shall be, and without such recovery such person or persons have no expectation or little hope of being paid, and there has been some agreement in writing or otherwise between the said John Warren and some person or persons concerning the same, and the said bond, if any such be, has been delivered into the hands or custody of some person or persons, who is sure to have some benefit by the said bond or recovery thereupon.
The orator requests that the said John Warren sets forth on his oath whether the said William Warren did enter into such bond unto the said John Warren or not, and what money or other consideration was given or paid for the same. [Further details given].

Nathan

[Nathan Murphy]

Post by Nathan Murphy
William Warren’s youngest son, Thomas Warren, was in line to inherit half of his father’s lands in Kent “in the nature and tenure of gavelkind.” William died a lunatic, intestate, in about 1636.[6] In 1647, William’s younger brother, John Warren, Gentleman, of Gray’s Inn, Middlesex sued William’s eldest son and heir, Albertus Warren, over a bond, in chancery. In this suit, it is recorded that William’s only other son was Thomas Warren and that “About a year and a half ago the said Thomas Warren departed this life without any issue of his body lawfully begotten.”[7] In 1658, Albertus Warren again informs the Lord Chancellor of England that he is the “brother and heir of Thomas Warren, late the other son and co-heir of the said William Warren.”[8]

A descendant of the Warren family of Ripple, Kent may have indeed come to colonial Virginia. A slaveowner named Albertus Warren was buried in Bruton Parish, James City County, Virginia in 1703, see: http://heritagecenter.brutonparish.org/book/bruton-middleton-parish-register-1662-1797/bruton-middleton-parish-register-1662-1797-page-124

The given name “Albertus” is so uncommon, it could represent a naming-pattern. The references below apply to multiple people named Albertus Warren. Albertus of Epping, Essex (1640s-1650) could be the same Albertus baptized at Ripple, Kent in 1622. Albertus doesn’t appear in Ripple, Kent parish register entries as an adult, but we know from the chancery proceedings that he reached adulthood. There were no Warrens at Ripple at the time of the 1664 hearth tax.

Currer-Briggs argued that Albertus’s mother Katherine remarried John Sewall at London St Mary at Hill in 1632, and settled in Halstead, Essex.[1] He found that John Sewall, gent., of Halstead left a PCC will in 1640, which includes the following bequest: £100 unto Marie Warren daughter unto Katherine Sewall my late wife deceased at age 18. I would add that an Albertus Warren, gent., refused to do highway work in Halstead in 1663. The name Albertus Warren is also recorded on the 1670 hearth tax in Halstead. (see below)

1622 Apr 22, Parish Register, Ripple, Kent, Albertus the sonne of William Warren gent[leman] was baptised Aprill 22th 1622

1641 May 09, Parish Register, London St Mary Ludgate, Albertus Warren m. Lucey Waller, license Faculties - there was a George Waller in chancery suit

1642, Parish Register, Sawbridgeworth, Herts, Luce Warren d/o Alberte & Luce bp.

1643, Parish Register, Epping, Essex, Albertus Warren s/o Albertus & Lucy bp.

1645, Parish Register, Epping, Essex, Albertus Warren s/o Albertus bur.

1645, Chancery, C8/126/240, Albertus Warren vs. John Browne, property in Alkham, Kent. Browne states he was not aware that John Warren who was seised of this land in 1613, had a son William Warren, nor that William Warren was a lunatic.

1646 Jun 03, Parish Register, Epping, Essex, Albertus Warren s/o Albertus & Lucye bp. (born 1 Jun 1646)

1646 Jun 03, Parish Register, Epping, Essex, John Warren s/o Albertus & Lucye bp. (born 1 Jun 1646)

1647, Chancery, C8/125/201, John Warren, of Gray’s Inn, Mdx, gent. vs. Albert Warren and George Waller, property in Ripple, Kent; William Warren,late of Riple, Kent, in his lifetime was indebted to s’d John Warren. William Warren in his lifetime married Katherine Gookin, daughter of Thomas Gookin Esq. William died about 11th year Chas I., had only two sons at time of his death: Albert Warren, eldest, and Thomas Warren, youngest. Albert turned 21 after 1 Apr 21 Chas I. A year-and-a-half ago Thomas Warren died without issue.

1647, Author, A just vindication of the armie wherein all that doubt may have large satisfaction, in relation to their late proceedings. As touching the cause, beginning, continuance, and their end therein. Or, a book entituled, The examination of the late passages of the armie (especially of the grounds laid down for their justification in their declaration, June 14. 1647). / Examined, refuted, by A. Warren

1650 Oct 12, Parish Register, London St Mary Woolnoth, lawfully married Albertus Warren and Dorothy Barton both of the parishe of Eppinge in the County of Essex

1650, Author, The Royalist Reform’d (London, 1650)

1653, Author, Eight reasons categorical: wherein is examined and proved, that it's probable, the law-common will stand. And continue at London & Westminster: humbly tendred to the consideration of all ingenuous men; and for the incouragement of students. By Albertus Warren Gent. (London: Printed by E. Cotes, for John Place at Furnivals Inne-Gate in Holborn, 1653).

1654, Author, A New Plea for the Old Law by Albertus Warren (London 1654)

1657, Chancery, C7/443/126, Albertus Warren vs. Sir Robert Crawford, kt., money, Kent

1658, Chancery, Bundle 34, No. 65, Albertus Warren vs. John Warren, 1658, money, Kent. Albertus son of William Warren. William also had a son Thomas Warren “late the other son and co-heir.” Albertus was Thomas’s heir. Regarding a bond between William Warren and John Warren dated 1628.

1663, Sessions Rolls, Essex, Return of all such persons as have refused to work in the highways of Halstead this year 1663 … Albert Warren gent.

1670, Hearth Tax, Halstead, Essex, Albertus Warren [Sewall, whom Currer-Briggs thought married William Warren’s widow; lived at Halstead when he left his will.]

1676, Town Depositions, Albertus Warren

1676, Town Depositions, Albertus Warren

1677 Aug 02, Gunmaker’s Company apprenticeships, Charles Warren son of Albert Warren, of London, gent. to Robert Brookes, Gunmakers’ Co. Free 1684. Active 1690-1694. Gunmaker to Ordnance, 1697.

1680, Town Depositions, Albertus Warren

1680, Town Depositions, Albertus Warren

1680, Author, An Apology for the Discovery of Humane Reason, Written by Mr. Clifford, Esq. by Albertus Warren (London, 1680). [Albertus described as a radical protestant]

1686, Author, A panegyrick to His Excellency Richard Earl of Tirconnell by Albertus Warren (Dublin, 1686)

1703 Apr 25, Parish Register, Bruton Par., Va., Albertus Warren dec’d ye twenty fifth Apr bur.

1709[/10?], Order for Arrest, Bruton Par., Va., Angola peter at the plantac[i]on late of Albertus Warren Pamba his wife [ordered to be arrested]

I haven’t been able to access this article to see if biographical information is provided:

Albertus Warren on Milton and toleration: An unnoticed allusion, Notes and Queries, Vol. 46, No. 3 (1999):335-356.
[1] Currer-Briggs conclusions discussed in J.O. Buck, A.E. Langston, and T.F. Beard, eds., Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne’s Descendants 3 (1978):308-311.

[Edward Brown]

Post by Nathan Murphy

Post by Nathan Murphy
William Warren’s youngest son, Thomas Warren, was in line to inherit half of his father’s lands in Kent “in the nature and tenure of gavelkind.” William died a lunatic, intestate, in about 1636.[6] In 1647, William’s younger brother, John Warren, Gentleman, of Gray’s Inn, Middlesex sued William’s eldest son and heir, Albertus Warren, over a bond, in chancery. In this suit, it is recorded that William’s only other son was Thomas Warren and that “About a year and a half ago the said Thomas Warren departed this life without any issue of his body lawfully begotten.”[7] In 1658, Albertus Warren again informs the Lord Chancellor of England that he is the “brother and heir of Thomas Warren, late the other son and co-heir of the said William Warren.”[8]

A descendant of the Warren family of Ripple, Kent may have indeed come to colonial Virginia. A slaveowner named Albertus Warren was buried in Bruton Parish, James City County, Virginia in 1703, see: http://heritagecenter.brutonparish.org/book/bruton-middleton-parish-register-1662-1797/bruton-middleton-parish-register-1662-1797-page-124
The given name “Albertus” is so uncommon, it could represent a naming-pattern. The references below apply to multiple people named Albertus Warren. Albertus of Epping, Essex (1640s-1650) could be the same Albertus baptized at Ripple, Kent in 1622. Albertus doesn’t appear in Ripple, Kent parish register entries as an adult, but we know from the chancery proceedings that he reached adulthood. There were no Warrens at Ripple at the time of the 1664 hearth tax.
Currer-Briggs argued that Albertus’s mother Katherine remarried John Sewall at London St Mary at Hill in 1632, and settled in Halstead, Essex.[1] He found that John Sewall, gent., of Halstead left a PCC will in 1640, which includes the following bequest: £100 unto Marie Warren daughter unto Katherine Sewall my late wife deceased at age 18. I would add that an Albertus Warren, gent., refused to do highway work in Halstead in 1663. The name Albertus Warren is also recorded on the 1670 hearth tax in Halstead. (see below)
1622 Apr 22, Parish Register, Ripple, Kent, Albertus the sonne of William Warren gent[leman] was baptised Aprill 22th 1622
1641 May 09, Parish Register, London St Mary Ludgate, Albertus Warren m. Lucey Waller, license Faculties - there was a George Waller in chancery suit
1642, Parish Register, Sawbridgeworth, Herts, Luce Warren d/o Alberte & Luce bp.
1643, Parish Register, Epping, Essex, Albertus Warren s/o Albertus & Lucy bp.
1645, Parish Register, Epping, Essex, Albertus Warren s/o Albertus bur.
1645, Chancery, C8/126/240, Albertus Warren vs. John Browne, property in Alkham, Kent. Browne states he was not aware that John Warren who was seised of this land in 1613, had a son William Warren, nor that William Warren was a lunatic.
1646 Jun 03, Parish Register, Epping, Essex, Albertus Warren s/o Albertus & Lucye bp. (born 1 Jun 1646)
1646 Jun 03, Parish Register, Epping, Essex, John Warren s/o Albertus & Lucye bp. (born 1 Jun 1646)
1647, Chancery, C8/125/201, John Warren, of Gray’s Inn, Mdx, gent. vs. Albert Warren and George Waller, property in Ripple, Kent; William Warren,late of Riple, Kent, in his lifetime was indebted to s’d John Warren. William Warren in his lifetime married Katherine Gookin, daughter of Thomas Gookin Esq. William died about 11th year Chas I., had only two sons at time of his death: Albert Warren, eldest, and Thomas Warren, youngest. Albert turned 21 after 1 Apr 21 Chas I. A year-and-a-half ago Thomas Warren died without issue.
1647, Author, A just vindication of the armie wherein all that doubt may have large satisfaction, in relation to their late proceedings. As touching the cause, beginning, continuance, and their end therein. Or, a book entituled, The examination of the late passages of the armie (especially of the grounds laid down for their justification in their declaration, June 14. 1647). / Examined, refuted, by A. Warren
1650 Oct 12, Parish Register, London St Mary Woolnoth, lawfully married Albertus Warren and Dorothy Barton both of the parishe of Eppinge in the County of Essex
1650, Author, The Royalist Reform’d (London, 1650)
1653, Author, Eight reasons categorical: wherein is examined and proved, that it's probable, the law-common will stand. And continue at London & Westminster: humbly tendred to the consideration of all ingenuous men; and for the incouragement of students. By Albertus Warren Gent. (London: Printed by E. Cotes, for John Place at Furnivals Inne-Gate in Holborn, 1653).
1654, Author, A New Plea for the Old Law by Albertus Warren (London 1654)
1657, Chancery, C7/443/126, Albertus Warren vs. Sir Robert Crawford, kt., money, Kent
1658, Chancery, Bundle 34, No. 65, Albertus Warren vs. John Warren, 1658, money, Kent. Albertus son of William Warren. William also had a son Thomas Warren “late the other son and co-heir.” Albertus was Thomas’s heir. Regarding a bond between William Warren and John Warren dated 1628.
1663, Sessions Rolls, Essex, Return of all such persons as have refused to work in the highways of Halstead this year 1663 … Albert Warren gent.
1670, Hearth Tax, Halstead, Essex, Albertus Warren [Sewall, whom Currer-Briggs thought married William Warren’s widow; lived at Halstead when he left his will.]
1676, Town Depositions, Albertus Warren
1676, Town Depositions, Albertus Warren
1677 Aug 02, Gunmaker’s Company apprenticeships, Charles Warren son of Albert Warren, of London, gent. to Robert Brookes, Gunmakers’ Co. Free 1684. Active 1690-1694. Gunmaker to Ordnance, 1697.
1680, Town Depositions, Albertus Warren
1680, Town Depositions, Albertus Warren
1680, Author, An Apology for the Discovery of Humane Reason, Written by Mr. Clifford, Esq. by Albertus Warren (London, 1680). [Albertus described as a radical protestant]
1686, Author, A panegyrick to His Excellency Richard Earl of Tirconnell by Albertus Warren (Dublin, 1686)
1703 Apr 25, Parish Register, Bruton Par., Va., Albertus Warren dec’d ye twenty fifth Apr bur.
1709[/10?], Order for Arrest, Bruton Par., Va., Angola peter at the plantac[i]on late of Albertus Warren Pamba his wife [ordered to be arrested]
Albertus Warren on Milton and toleration: An unnoticed allusion, Notes and Queries, Vol. 46, No. 3 (1999):335-356.
[1] Currer-Briggs conclusions discussed in J.O. Buck, A.E. Langston, and T.F. Beard, eds., Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne’s Descendants 3 (1978):308-311.

The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

[Nathan Murphy]

Post by Edward Brown
The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

Thanks for sharing. Details of the entry:

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke

"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."

Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411

Thomas Warren's sons Thomas and Allen were in a different tithe district that year:

"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680

"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.

Source: ditto, 49.

Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?

Nathan

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The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke
"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."
Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411
"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680
"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.
Source: ditto, 49.
Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?
Nathan

New evidence suggests that Albertus Warren was likely a full brother to Elizabeth Warren wife of John Hunnicut.
Albertus has never been noted as a son of Thomas in any records. Yet his assumed father Willam did have another son of said name.
An Albertus appears in tithables in 1680, with William Cockerham a relative of the Spencers. He is not Allen like previously suggested as he appears with his father Thomas in the same year. He disappears right after 1680.
William Cockerham was the brother-in-law of Elizabeth Spencer mother of Elizabeth Warren.
Albertus Warren decd. the twenty-fifth Apr 1703 bur. Bruton & Middleton Parish Register 1662-1797 - Page 124
The will of William Sr lists personal property in 3 locations in 1718. Surry, Three Creeks in South Hampton, and York County
Isle of Wight notes John Hunnicut and Albertus Warren in a record circa 1690s

[Edward Brown]

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The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke
"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."
Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411
"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680
"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.
Source: ditto, 49.
Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?
Nathan

New evidence suggests that Albertus Warren was likely a full brother to Elizabeth Warren wife of John Hunnicut.
Albertus has never been noted as a son of Thomas in any records. Yet his assumed father Willam did have another son of said name.
An Albertus appears in tithables in 1680, with William Cockerham a relative of the Spencers. He is not Allen like previously suggested as he appears with his father Thomas in the same year. He disappears right after 1680.
William Cockerham was the brother-in-law of Elizabeth Spencer mother of Elizabeth Warren.
Albertus Warren decd. the twenty-fifth Apr 1703 bur. Bruton & Middleton Parish Register 1662-1797 - Page 124
The will of William Hunnicut lists personal property in 3 locations in 1718. Surry, Three Creeks in South Hampton, and York County
Isle of Wight notes John Hunnicut and Albertus Warren in a record circa 1690s
William Cockerman died May 13 1669 Robert Sheppard was appointed guardian for his two orphan sons, after the death of their mother (1669)

Charles Army was the stepfather of William Cockerham 2 in this tithable.

His father William Cockerham 1 was the brother-in-law of Elizabeth Spencer when he died his widow Ann Spencer married Charles Amry. Elizabeth Spencer was the third wife of Thomas she was previously married to Robert Shepard. the mother of Elizabeth Warren who married John Hunnicutt.

[Edward Brown]

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The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke
"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."
Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411
"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680
"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.
Source: ditto, 49.
Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?
Nathan

New evidence suggests that Albertus Warren was likely a full brother to Elizabeth Warren wife of John Hunnicut.
Albertus has never been noted as a son of Thomas in any records. Yet his assumed father Willam did have another son of said name.
An Albertus appears in tithables in 1680, with William Cockerham a relative of the Spencers. He is not Allen like previously suggested as he appears with his father Thomas in the same year. He disappears right after 1680.
William Cockerham was the brother-in-law of Elizabeth Spencer mother of Elizabeth Warren.
Albertus Warren decd. the twenty-fifth Apr 1703 bur. Bruton & Middleton Parish Register 1662-1797 - Page 124
The will of William Hunnicut lists personal property in 3 locations in 1718. Surry, Three Creeks in South Hampton, and York County
Isle of Wight notes John Hunnicut and Albertus Warren in a record circa 1690s
William Cockerman died May 13 1669 Robert Sheppard was appointed guardian for his two orphan sons, after the death of their mother (1669)

Charles Army was the stepfather of William Cockerham 2 in this tithable.
His father William Cockerham 1 was the brother-in-law of Elizabeth Spencer when he died his widow Ann Spencer married Charles Amry. Elizabeth Spencer was the third wife of Thomas she was previously married to Robert Shepard. the mother of Elizabeth Warren who married John Hunnicutt.

1679 tithable
Charles Amry - with John Mathison, William Cockerham, Isaac Vary, John Berry, Thomas Beck - (third);

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The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke
"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."
Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411
"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680
"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.
Source: ditto, 49.
Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?
Nathan

New evidence suggests that Albertus Warren was likely a full brother to Elizabeth Warren wife of John Hunnicut.
Albertus has never been noted as a son of Thomas in any records. Yet his assumed father Willam did have another son of said name.
An Albertus appears in tithables in 1680, with William Cockerham a relative of the Spencers. He is not Allen like previously suggested as he appears with his father Thomas in the same year. He disappears right after 1680.
William Cockerham was the brother-in-law of Elizabeth Spencer mother of Elizabeth Warren.
Albertus Warren decd. the twenty-fifth Apr 1703 bur. Bruton & Middleton Parish Register 1662-1797 - Page 124
The will of William Hunnicut lists personal property in 3 locations in 1718. Surry, Three Creeks in South Hampton, and York County
Isle of Wight notes John Hunnicut and Albertus Warren in a record circa 1690s
William Cockerman died May 13 1669 Robert Sheppard was appointed guardian for his two orphan sons, after the death of their mother (1669)

Charles Army was the stepfather of William Cockerham 2 in this tithable.
His father William Cockerham 1 was the brother-in-law of Elizabeth Spencer when he died his widow Ann Spencer married Charles Amry. Elizabeth Spencer was the third wife of Thomas she was previously married to Robert Shepard. the mother of Elizabeth Warren who married John Hunnicutt.

1679 tithable
Charles Amry - with John Mathison, William Cockerham, Isaac Vary, John Berry, Thomas Beck - (third);

Noteworthy is that Edward Warren of Surry married ALICE (CROXON) CARTER and became the stepfather to Augustine Honeycut's wife Alice Carter and his father-in-law. John was Augustine's oldest son ( this has now been proven through a lot of circumstantial evidence. ). There seems to be a strong link between the Edward Warren family and the Thomas family in Surry. It is my strong belief that Edward Warren is Thomas's uncle as Alice was noted to be born in 1599 in a disposition.

Edward's age is often debated but he appears to be a generation older than Thomas. Edward was likely the father of

John Warren ( born 1730 ) married as 2nd wife his later stepsister MAUDLIN CREED

A. Many people think his issue is being conflated with the grandchildren of Thomas Warren

Robert Warren ( born 1728 ) who patented land in 1749 and married Sarah.

A. John who married Mary and died in 1674.

01..ROBERT WARREN

02..JOHN WARREN

03..JAMES WARREN

[Edward Brown]

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Post by Edward Brown

Post by Edward Brown

Post by Nathan Murphy

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The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke
"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."
Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411
"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680
"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.
Source: ditto, 49.
Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?
Nathan

New evidence suggests that Albertus Warren was likely a full brother to Elizabeth Warren wife of John Hunnicut.
Albertus has never been noted as a son of Thomas in any records. Yet his assumed father Willam did have another son of said name.
An Albertus appears in tithables in 1680, with William Cockerham a relative of the Spencers. He is not Allen like previously suggested as he appears with his father Thomas in the same year. He disappears right after 1680.
William Cockerham was the brother-in-law of Elizabeth Spencer mother of Elizabeth Warren.
Albertus Warren decd. the twenty-fifth Apr 1703 bur. Bruton & Middleton Parish Register 1662-1797 - Page 124
The will of William Hunnicut lists personal property in 3 locations in 1718. Surry, Three Creeks in South Hampton, and York County
Isle of Wight notes John Hunnicut and Albertus Warren in a record circa 1690s
William Cockerman died May 13 1669 Robert Sheppard was appointed guardian for his two orphan sons, after the death of their mother (1669)

Charles Army was the stepfather of William Cockerham 2 in this tithable.
His father William Cockerham 1 was the brother-in-law of Elizabeth Spencer when he died his widow Ann Spencer married Charles Amry. Elizabeth Spencer was the third wife of Thomas she was previously married to Robert Shepard. the mother of Elizabeth Warren who married John Hunnicutt.

1679 tithable
Charles Amry - with John Mathison, William Cockerham, Isaac Vary, John Berry, Thomas Beck - (third);

Noteworthy is that Edward Warren of Surry married ALICE (CROXON) CARTER and became the stepfather to Augustine Honeycut's wife Alice Carter and his father-in-law. John was Augustine's oldest son ( this has now been proven through a lot of circumstantial evidence. ). There seems to be a strong link between the Edward Warren family and the Thomas family in Surry. It is my strong belief that Edward Warren is Thomas's uncle as Alice was noted to be born in 1599 in a disposition.
Edward's age is often debated but he appears to be a generation older than Thomas. Edward was likely the father of
John Warren ( born 1730 ) married as 2nd wife his later stepsister MAUDLIN CREED
A. Many people think his issue is being conflated with the grandchildren of Thomas Warren
Robert Warren ( born 1728 ) who patented land in 1749 and married Sarah.
A. John who married Mary and died in 1674.
01..ROBERT WARREN
02..JOHN WARREN
03..JAMES WARREN

The Early Spencer Family

Major Robert Sheppard and Captain William Cockerham of the colonial militia appear to have inherited William Spencer's land because they were his sons-in-law and married to Elizabeth and Anne.
William Cockerham died May 13, 1669, Robert Sheppard was appointed guardian for his two orphan sons, after the death of their mother (1669)
Mrs. Elizabeth Shepherd wrote a letter to her brother- William Cockerham, Surry Co. 1654 noted to be now in Va. Court Records
Robert Sheppard married Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted to have died in 1653. She was later Thomas Warren.
Ann Spencer William Cockerham's widow later remarried Charles Amry. We can find William Cockerham Jr. in the tithable’s with Charles.
An Albertus Warren appears in the tithable’s in 1680 in Surry with Charles Amry and William Cockerham as well.
Since we know that Charles Amry was married to Ann Spencer and her sister Elizabeth was married to Thomas Warren it is likely that Albertus is the child of Thomas and Elizabeth Spencer.
Thomas and Elizabeth Warren's known child was Elizabeth Warren who married John Honeycut. It is likely Albertus was her full brother.
Albertus disappears from Surry records in 1680. An Albertus Warren is later noted to have a plantation in James City County.
An Albertus died in Bruton Parish in 1703. This is likely the same man. It is possible Albertus inherited some of the said land held by William Spencer and panted land elsewhere are the records are lost.

William Cockerham and William Warren Connection
On 17 September 1639, Robert Eley was granted 600 acres in Isle of Wight County; 50 for his personal adventure and 550 for the transport of 11 persons including William Cockerham and William Warren.
William Warren arrived in Virginia in 1639 and disappears from history.
I would suggest this William Warren is the same man who is noted as the father of Thomas and Albertus in England and that Albertus of Surry and later Bruton Parish is named after his uncle.
The later marriage of William Cockerham's sister-in-law to Thomas Warren would suggest that the two families knew each other previously in the New World.

[Edward Brown]

Post by Nathan Murphy

Post by Edward Brown
The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke
"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."
Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411
"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680
"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.
Source: ditto, 49.
Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?
Nathan

[Edward Brown]

Post by Nathan Murphy

Post by Edward Brown
The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke
"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."
Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411
"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680
"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.
Source: ditto, 49.
Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?
Nathan

The Early Spencer Family

Major Robert Sheppard and Captain William Cockerham of the colonial militia appear to have inherited William Spencer's land because they were his sons-in-law and married to Elizabeth and Anne.

William Cockerham died May 13, 1669, Robert Sheppard was appointed guardian for his two orphan sons, after the death of their mother (1669)
Mrs. Elizabeth Shepherd wrote a letter to her brother- William Cockerham, Surry Co. 1654 noted to be now in Va. Court Records

Robert Sheppard married Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted to have died in 1653. She was later Thomas Warren.

Ann Spencer William Cockerham's widow later remarried Charles Amry. We can find William Cockerham Jr. in the tithable’s with Charles.

An Albertus Warren appears in the tithable’s in 1680 in Surry with Charles Amry and William Cockerham as well.

Since we know that Charles Amry was married to Ann Spencer and her sister Elizabeth was married to Thomas Warren it is likely that Albertus is the child of Thomas and Elizabeth Spencer.

Thomas and Elizabeth Warren's known child was Elizabeth Warren who married John Honeycut. It is likely Albertus was her full brother.

Albertus disappears from Surry records in 1680. An Albertus Warren is later noted to have a plantation in James City County.

An Albertus died in Bruton Parish in 1703. This is likely the same man. It is possible Albertus inherited some of the said land held by William Spencer and panted land elsewhere are the records are lost.

William Cockerham and William Warren Connection

On 17 September 1639, Robert Eley was granted 600 acres in Isle of Wight County; 50 for his personal adventure and 550 for the transport of 11 persons including William Cockerham and William Warren.

William Warren arrived in Virginia in 1639 and disappears from history.

I would suggest this William Warren is the same man who is noted as the father of Thomas and Albertus in England and that Albertus of Surry and later Bruton Parish is named after his uncle.

The later marriage of William Cockerham's sister-in-law to Thomas Warren would suggest that the two families knew each other previously in the New World.

[Edward Brown]

Post by Nathan Murphy

Post by Edward Brown
The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke
"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."
Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411
"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680
"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.
Source: ditto, 49.
Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?
Nathan

The Early Spencer Family

Major Robert Sheppard and Captain William Cockerham of the colonial militia appear to have inherited William Spencer's land because they were his sons-in-law and married to Elizabeth and Anne.

William Cockerham died May 13, 1669, Robert Sheppard was appointed guardian for his two orphan sons, after the death of their mother (1669)
Mrs. Elizabeth Shepherd wrote a letter to her brother- William Cockerham, Surry Co. 1654 noted to be now in Va. Court Records

Robert Sheppard married Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted to have died in 1653. She was later Thomas Warren.

Ann Spencer William Cockerham's widow later remarried Charles Amry. We can find William Cockerham Jr. in the tithable’s with Charles.

An Albertus Warren appears in the tithable’s in 1680 in Surry with Charles Amry and William Cockerham as well.

Since we know that Charles Amry was married to Ann Spencer and her sister Elizabeth was married to Thomas Warren it is likely that Albertus is the child of Thomas and Elizabeth Spencer.

Thomas and Elizabeth Warren's known child was Elizabeth Warren who married John Honeycut. It is likely Albertus was her full brother.

Albertus disappears from Surry records in 1680. An Albertus Warren is later noted to have a plantation in James City County.

An Albertus died in Bruton Parish in 1703. This is likely the same man. It is possible Albertus inherited some of the said land held by William Spencer and panted land elsewhere are the records are lost.

William Cockerham and William Warren Connection

On 17 September 1639, Robert Eley was granted 600 acres in Isle of Wight County; 50 for his personal adventure and 550 for the transport of 11 persons including William Cockerham and William Warren.

William Warren arrived in Virginia in 1639 and disappears from history.

I would suggest this William Warren is the same man who is noted as the father of Thomas and Albertus in England and that Albertus of Surry and later Bruton Parish is named after his uncle.

The later marriage of William Cockerham's sister-in-law to Thomas Warren would suggest that the two families knew each other previously in the New World.

[Edward Brown]

Post by Edward Brown

Post by Nathan Murphy

Post by Edward Brown
The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke
"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."
Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411
"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680
"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.
Source: ditto, 49.
Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?
Nathan

The Early Spencer Family
Major Robert Sheppard and Captain William Cockerham of the colonial militia appear to have inherited William Spencer's land because they were his sons-in-law and married to Elizabeth and Anne.
William Cockerham died May 13, 1669, Robert Sheppard was appointed guardian for his two orphan sons, after the death of their mother (1669)
Mrs. Elizabeth Shepherd wrote a letter to her brother- William Cockerham, Surry Co. 1654 noted to be now in Va. Court Records
Robert Sheppard married Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted to have died in 1653. She was later Thomas Warren.
Ann Spencer William Cockerham's widow later remarried Charles Amry. We can find William Cockerham Jr. in the tithable’s with Charles.
An Albertus Warren appears in the tithable’s in 1680 in Surry with Charles Amry and William Cockerham as well.
Since we know that Charles Amry was married to Ann Spencer and her sister Elizabeth was married to Thomas Warren it is likely that Albertus is the child of Thomas and Elizabeth Spencer.
Thomas and Elizabeth Warren's known child was Elizabeth Warren who married John Honeycut. It is likely Albertus was her full brother.
Albertus disappears from Surry records in 1680. An Albertus Warren is later noted to have a plantation in James City County.
An Albertus died in Bruton Parish in 1703. This is likely the same man. It is possible Albertus inherited some of the said land held by William Spencer and panted land elsewhere are the records are lost.
William Cockerham and William Warren Connection
On 17 September 1639, Robert Eley was granted 600 acres in Isle of Wight County; 50 for his personal adventure and 550 for the transport of 11 persons including William Cockerham and William Warren.
William Warren arrived in Virginia in 1639 and was in James County.
I would suggest that William Warren is a close relative of Thomas Warren. Likely a son of John
The later marriage of William Cockerham's sister-in-law to Thomas Warren would suggest that the two families knew each other previously in the New World.

[Edward Brown]

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Post by Nathan Murphy

Post by Edward Brown
The Albertus who died in 1702-1703 was likely a son of Thomas. Thomas had a son named Albertus with Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted in the tithables in Surry in 1680. After which he likely moved elsewhere.

"Surry County May ye 28th 1680. A list of Tithables taken by Capt. Cha: Barham being p[ar]te of ye parish of Lawnes Creeke
"Cha. Amry, Albertas Warren, Wm. Cockram, Jno. Mathison, Tho: Beck, Jno. Tuckwell, 6 tithes."
Source: Edgar MacDonald and Richard Slatten, "Surry County Tithables 1680, 1681, 1682," Magazine of Virginia Genealogy 22:4 (Nov. 1984), 47 https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/6131/images/VGS_1984_01_01_0227?pId=515933411
"A List of Tithables taken by order of Cort May ye 22th 1680
"Samll. Plow, Tho: & Alling [Allen?] Warring [Warren?], 3 tithes.
Source: ditto, 49.
Interpretation: Albertas Warren was working for Charles Amry in 1680. Because he was a tithe, Albertas was age 16 or older, born no later than 1664. Albertas was living in the same county as Thomas's children, but in differing tithe districts. I haven't seen a source that states Albertas was Thomas's son. Edward what is your evidence for that conclusion?
Nathan

The Early Spencer Family
Major Robert Sheppard and Captain William Cockerham of the colonial militia appear to have inherited William Spencer's land because they were his sons-in-law and married to Elizabeth and Anne.
William Cockerham died May 13, 1669, Robert Sheppard was appointed guardian for his two orphan sons, after the death of their mother (1669)
Mrs. Elizabeth Shepherd wrote a letter to her brother- William Cockerham, Surry Co. 1654 noted to be now in Va. Court Records
Robert Sheppard married Elizabeth Spencer. He is noted to have died in 1653. She was later Thomas Warren.
Ann Spencer William Cockerham's widow later remarried Charles Amry. We can find William Cockerham Jr. in the tithable’s with Charles.
An Albertus Warren appears in the tithable’s in 1680 in Surry with Charles Amry and William Cockerham as well.
Since we know that Charles Amry was married to Ann Spencer and her sister Elizabeth was married to Thomas Warren it is likely that Albertus is the child of Thomas and Elizabeth Spencer.
Thomas and Elizabeth Warren's known child was Elizabeth Warren who married John Honeycut. It is likely Albertus was her full brother.
Albertus disappears from Surry records in 1680. An Albertus Warren is later noted to have a plantation in James City County.
An Albertus died in Bruton Parish in 1703. This is likely the same man. It is possible Albertus inherited some of the said land held by William Spencer and panted land elsewhere are the records are lost.
William Cockerham and William Warren Connection
On 17 September 1639, Robert Eley was granted 600 acres in Isle of Wight County; 50 for his personal adventure and 550 for the transport of 11 persons including William Cockerham and William Warren.
William Warren arrived in Virginia in 1639 and was in James County.
I would suggest that William Warren is a close relative of Thomas Warren. Likely a son of John and Thomas's first cousin
The later marriage of William Cockerham's sister-in-law to Thomas Warren would suggest that the two families knew each other previously in the New World.

[Edward Brown]

Post by Nathan Murphy

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Additional documents cast further doubt on the Thomas Warren royal descent.
Thomas Warren (1621-1670), a seventeenth-century burgess in Surry County, Virginia, has long been thought to be a son of William Warren, Gentleman, of Ripple, Kent, England by his wife Catherine Gookin.[1] William Warren did indeed have a son christened Thomas at Ripple on 30 January 1624[/5].[2] In Virginia, Thomas gave his age as 40 in a deposition dated 1661, calculating an approximate year of 1621 for his birth.[3] It would fit chronologically for him to be the Thomas Warren whose headright Capt. Daniel Gookin [Jr.] claimed in Virginia in the 1640s.[4] Daniel was Catherine (Gookin) Warren’s first cousin.[5] In this scenario, Thomas would have been a first cousin once removed to Daniel Gookin. But that is not the case.
William Warren’s youngest son, Thomas Warren, was in line to inherit half of his father’s lands in Kent “in the nature and tenure of gavelkind.” William died a lunatic, intestate, in about 1636.[6] In 1647, William’s younger brother, John Warren, Gentleman, of Gray’s Inn, Middlesex sued William’s eldest son and heir, Albertus Warren, over a bond, in chancery. In this suit, it is recorded that William’s only other son was Thomas Warren and that “About a year and a half ago the said Thomas Warren departed this life without any issue of his body lawfully begotten.”[7] In 1658, Albertus Warren again informs the Lord Chancellor of England that he is the “brother and heir of Thomas Warren, late the other son and co-heir of the said William Warren.”[8]
The Virginia burgess possibly fits elsewhere in the Warren family of Ripple, Kent. For the royal descent in RD900 to hold,[9] however, it would be necessary for Thomas Warren to be the son of one of his presumed uncles: (1) Thomas Warren (bp. 1603/4),[2] whose residence as an adult is unknown, or (2) John Warren, of Gray's Inn, Middlesex (bp. 1609/10,[2] PCC sentence dated 1662).[10] This Thomas would have been 17 and John would have been 11 at about the time of the Virginian’s birth.
References
[1] Arthur Adams and H.H. d’Angerville, Living Descendants of Blood Royal 1 (1959):186-189; J.O. Buck, A.E. Langston, and T.F. Beard, eds., Pedigrees of Some of the Emperor Charlemagne’s Descendants 3 (1978):308-311.
[2] Ripple, Kent, England, parish registers, images, www.findmypast.co.uk.
[3] John Frederick Dorman, Adventurers of Purse and Person 3 (2007):227, who cites Surry Co. Deeds, Wills &c. 1 (1652-72):169.
[4] Virginia Land Office Patents 1 pt2, p. 847.
[5] C 8/125/201; 1619 Visitation of Kent, pp. 38, 48; Richard N. Gookins, A History and Genealogy of the Gookin Family of England, Ireland, and America (rev. ed., 1991).
[6] C 8/126/240; C 8/125/201; C 5/34/65; no PCC or ACC will.
[7] C 8/125/201.
[8] C 5/34/65.
[9] Gary Boyd Roberts, The Royal Descents of 900 Immigrants 2 (2018):778-79.
[10] PCC 74 Laud (1662) f. 169, https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/5111/40611_310351-00314/719800 (indexed John Warrer): John has a PCC sentence, but I have not been able to locate the corresponding nuncupative will. In the sentence, his wife Elizabeth, and daughter Elinor Grimes are mentioned. London St Mary Mounthaw, parish registers, images, www.ancestry.co.uk : Richard Grimes married Ellinor Warren in 1655, https://www.ancestry.com/interactive/1624/31281_a102016-00003 .
With special thanks to Simon Neal for retrieving and abstracting these chancery records.
C 6/138/217
Bill of complaint.
Writ
Abbreviated copy of bill of complaint.
The answer of Edward Boys.
Date: 1634.
Parties: John Warren, one of the younger sons of John Warren, late of the parish of Ripple, Kent, gentleman, deceased, v Edward Boys of Bonnington in the parish of Godonstone, Kent, gentleman.
Selected details: The said John Warren, the orator’s father has or had by Anne his wife, eldest daughter of Sir William Crayfford of Wingham, Kent, knight, eight children, viz William, Thomas, the orator and Edward Warren, his sons, and Anne, Elizabeth, Alice and Afra, his four daughters.
The said John, on or about the 27th September in the 10th year of the reign of James I, made his last will and testament in writing, and thereby gave to his sons the said Thomas, the orator and Edward £300 each at their several ages of 24 years. Provided that, if any of his said younger sons should depart this life before their said ages of 24 years, then their portions should be equally divided between the survivors. And in performance of the said last will and for payment of his debts and discharges of some of the legacies by him bequeathed, he made his said wife Anne his sole and only executrix, and gave and bequeathed to her all his moveable goods, except some particular parcels of household stuff and plate given to William his eldest son. And he also bequeathed to her the mean profits of all his lands and houses, wherein he had any estate of inheritance or any estate by lease until the said William should come to the age of 24 years. And he did particularly assign that the portions, which the said Anne his wife should pay, should be unto his two eldest daughters Anne and Elizabeth and to his said son Thomas and to the said orator, being £300 to each of them, in all £1,200, making other provision in and by the said last will for the payment of £300 to each of his said other younger children.
Shortly after making the said will the orator’s said father died, and at the time of his death was possessed of a great and plentiful personal estate, amounting to the sum of £1,500, being sufficient to pay all the debts of the said John Warren the orator’s father and all the legacies contained in his will, including the said portion of £300 bequeathed to the said orator, and the £300 bequeathed to the said Thomas Warren, the orator’s brother. The orator’s mother proved the said will and possessed herself of all her late husband’s goods and personal estate. Soon after in about May 19 Jas. I the said Anne married Edward Boys of Bonnington in the parish of Godonstone, Kent, gentleman. Upon which marriage it was agreed that, as the said Edward should have the greatest part of the personal estate of the orator’s father, he should pay the legacies in the will, and that Anne should take the profits of the orator’s father’s lands.
However, the said Edward Boys has taken away the said money and refused to pay the legacies.
[Further details given].
C 8/126/240
Document: The answer of John Browne to the bill of complaint of Albert Warren.
Date: 1645.
Selected details: The defendant says that John Warren was lawfully seised in his demesne as of fee of and in the manor of Alkham alias Malmand Alkham with its rights and members, and with about 47 acres of land and pasture in the parish of Alkham, Kent. Being so seised, the said John Warren by his deed dated about 12th January 10 Jas. I [1613], for a valuable consideration in money paid to the said John by Robert Broome, clerk, granted and sold the said manor to the said Robert Browne and his heirs, which said deed was executed in due form of law and livery and seisin had and taken, and so Robert Broome was lawfully seised of the said manor and lands.
John Warren, by deed dated about 20th January in the said 10th year, released all his right, title, claim and demand to the said manor to the said Robert Broome. The said Robert did peaceably and quietly possess and enjoy the said manor and lands for diverse years after his said purchase. Afterwards the said Robert, by his deed dated on about 2 Oct 22 Jas. I [1624], for a valuable consideration paid by Thomas Browne and John Browne, son of Robert Broome, granted, enfeoffed and confirmed to the said John Browne and Thomas Browne and their heirs the said manor. And the said John and Thomas were lawfully seised thereof. Then, by another deed dated 4 Oct 22 Jas. I [1624], he released all the right to the premises to the said John and Thomas. And the said John and Thomas always afterwards enjoyed the said manor and lands.
The said Thomas Browne about 10 years ago died, and the said John Browne was lawfully seised in his demesne of the premises, and he held the lands in free and common socage of the nature and tenure of gavelkind. The said John Browne, by his will, devised two third parts of the premises to the defendant and his heirs, this defendant being the son of the said John Browne, and the third part thereof the said John Browne devised to John Browne, son of the said Thomas Browne, and his heirs.
Shortly after the making of the said will, viz in about the month of March now last past, the said John Browne, the defendant’s said father, died, and the defendant entered into two parts of the premises and was lawfully seised thereof, and has held the same ever since and taken the profits thereof.
The manor and lands are of the yearly value of £20 or thereabouts. He says that he does not know that the said John Warren was in his lifetime seised of the premises, as is pretended in the bill, or that the same were of the yearly sum of £40; or that the said John Warren, when he conveyed the premises to the said Robert Browne was weak of body or mind, or that the same was about three or four days before his death, or that the same was conveyed to the said Robert Broome by way of mortgage or for any trust or for little or no consideration, or whether the said John Warren made the said Robert Broome his executor, or that the said Robert Broome by that means or otherwise got into his hands all the deeds and evidences concerning the said manor and premises.
The defendant does not know that the complainant was the son of William Warren or that the said William Warren was the son of John Warren or that the complainants or the said William Warren have or ever had any just right or title to the said manor and premises or to any part thereof, or that the said William Warren was a lunatic, or that his body and lands were committed to some friends. Nor does he know that the said Robert Broome did fear any sleeping title of the complainants.
[Further details given].
C 8/125/201
Bill of complaint.
The joint answers of George Waller and Albert Warren.
Date: 1647.
Parties: John Warren of Grays Inn, Midd, gentleman, v George Waller and Albert Warren.
Selected details: Whereas William Warren, late of the parish of Riple, Kent, in his lifetime was justly and truly indebted to the orator in the sum of £300, and being so indebted, by his deed, dated on or about 24th April in the fourth year of the reign of the now king, did bind himself to the orator in the penal sum of £600 to be paid to the orator or his executors or administrators, upon condition that, if the said William Warren or his heirs paid to the orator £300 on 3rd September 1636, if the orator be then living, then the said deed obligatory was to be void. In his lifetime, the said William Warren married with Katherine Gookin, daughter of Thomas Gookin, esquire. And the said William Warren was in his lifetime lawfully seised in his demesne as of fee of a parcel of land called or known by the name of the Millfeild alias the Great Mill Field, containing about 20 acres, in Riple. And of and in one capital messuage, a barn, dwelling house, orchard, cottage and 82 acres of land, meadow and pasture or thereabouts. The said William Warren, being so seised of all the premises, several years before the said £300 became due, viz in or about the 11th year of the king’s reign, died so seised of the premises having issue, two only sons, viz Albert Warren, his eldest son, and Thomas Warren, his youngest son, both begotten of the body of the said Katherine, and both being infants at the time of the death of the said William Warren.
From and after whose death the said Albert, being son and heir of the said William as to the said Millfeild, the said Albert or his guardian entered into the Millfeild took the issues and profits of the said Millfeild, until the said Albert attained the age of 21 years. And Albert did not attain the said age of 21 until after the first day of April in the 21st year of the reign of the now king. And from the death of the said William Warren the said Albert and Thomas his sons or some other on their behalf entered into the said messuage and the rest of the premises, and took the profits thereof, the premises being of the nature and tenure of gavelkind.
About a year and a half ago the said Thomas Warren departed this life without any issue of his body lawfully begotten, the said Albert being his sole brother of the whole blood by father and mother. After whose death the said Albert or some other for his behalf did receive the profits of the said messuage and premises. The said sum of £300 mentioned in the condition of the said deed obligatory was not paid to the orator or his assigns on the 3rd day of September 1636 according to the tenor of the said condition, nor at any time before or since, although it has been several times demanded. Whereby the said deed obligatory became forfeited. Notwithstanding which by reason of the respective minorities of the said Albert and Thomas the orator could not effectually proceed at the law for recovery of his just debt with damages for the forbearance of the same until of late.
On the 21st day of February in the said 21st year of the now king, the said Thomas Warren being dead, the orator caused an original writ in an action of debt of £600 upon the said deed obligatory to be sued forth the high court of Chancery against the said Albert as son and heir of the said William Warren, returnable in his majesty’s Court of Common Pleas at Westminster, although the orator used the uttermost of his endeavours by a legal compulsory course to enforce the said Albert’s appearance to answer to the orator upon the said action. Notwithstanding by means of the said Albert his delays the orator could not gain an appearance from him upon the said action.
[Further details given].
C 5/34/65
Bill of complaint.
The answer of John Warren.
The replication of Albert Warren.
Date: 1658.
Parties: Albert Warren of Riple, Kent, gentleman, v John Warren.
Selected details: Whereas John Warren does pretend that William Warren, the orator’s father, did, in April 4 Chas. I [1628], enter into a bond to the said John Warren of the penalty of £600, conditioned to pay the said John Warren the sum of £300 on 3rd September 1636, if the said John Warren should be then living, which is now about 22 years ago, which bond the said John Warren has lately put in suit against the orator as one of the sons and co-heirs of the said William Warren and brother and heir of Thomas Warren, late the other son and co-heir of the said William Warren, concerning lands held in gavelkind in Kent, whereas in truth, if there be any such bond, the same was obtained from the said William Warren, when he was a man of no disposing or understanding. And if there be any such bond, the same was gotten and obtained from the said William Warren without any just or valuable consideration, and by combination between the said John Warren and some other person or persons as yet unknown to the orator. And if there be any such bond and that the same was obtained when the said William was of a disposing memory and understanding and for good and valuable consideration, the said £300 or a great part thereof has been long since paid or satisfied by some person or persons unknown to the orator, or there has been some security or agreement given or made concerning the same, if your orator could discover the truth thereof, and there is no just cause why the orator should in equity be charged with the said bond, if any such there be, in case your orator could discover the truth of the premises. The said William Warren left a personal estate behind him sufficient to satisfy the said bond and all his just debts, which came to the disposal of his executors or administrators, whom the said John Warren did, would or might have sued and questioned in case the said bond had been just to be paid. But the said bond is now put in suit against the orator by the instigation, procurement and at the costs and charges of some person or persons, to whom the said John Warren is indebted, or is to have some of the money or land to be recovered, if any shall be, and without such recovery such person or persons have no expectation or little hope of being paid, and there has been some agreement in writing or otherwise between the said John Warren and some person or persons concerning the same, and the said bond, if any such be, has been delivered into the hands or custody of some person or persons, who is sure to have some benefit by the said bond or recovery thereupon.
The orator requests that the said John Warren sets forth on his oath whether the said William Warren did enter into such bond unto the said John Warren or not, and what money or other consideration was given or paid for the same. [Further details given].
Nathan

The Albertus in Bruton Parish in this post on his document was likely a son of Thomas Warren named after his uncle in England.

-Albertus has a son named Albertus who never left England and its unlikely he had tw0 sons named Albertus.

An Albertus is living with the Charles Army and Ann Spencer and her Cockerham son's in the 1680 tithable this only makes sense if he is a previously unnoted child of Thomas Warren and Elizabeth Spencer. Ann was previously married to William Cockerham of Surry. Albertus disappears from the Surry around 1681. Also I would suggest that the William Warren imported by Robert Eley in 1639 is a son of his uncle John and first cousin to Thomas. Robert Eley also imported William Cockerham of the Isle of Wight the same time as William Warren. This William Cockerham was the father of William Cockerham of Surry so there is proof that William Cockerham knew both likely William and Thomas. This would imply that John in England and have first hand knowledge of Warrens being in America and that the documentation in England is not legitimate in terms of Thomas's death and that both John and his nephew Albertus knew of this and simply lied. Sources

- 1639 headrights claimed by Robert Eley William Warren and William Cockrum ( Cockerham ) - pg. 529 25 June 1644. Robert ELEY assigns to William TROLODER 150 acres which Robert ELEY took up for him in accordance with a charter of orders dated 18 Nov. 1618 as by said ELEY's patent more fully appears bearing date at James City 17 Sept. 1639. Teste, William WHIT­AKER, William WARINGE. William TROLODER assigns his title to Thomas WOOTEN. 11 Jan. 1645. Teste: Henry JOHNSON, Arthur (X) WOOD.

- MR. THOMAS WARREN to keep a small stock of Robt. Sheapard given him by his godmother and are recorded and give due account to the orphant ct. yearly. MR. THOMAS WARREN to oblige himself to maintain all of the above named children; to give them sufficient educaeon, bed, etc. unel they choose guardians, or come to age. Signed THOS WARRINGS. Witnesses: Edward Folliot, Wm Cockerham 15 Sep 1654

- William WARRINGS assigns title to William HENCOATE 14 Aug 1680 ? 81 ? James City Witnesses : Edward Folliot , Wm Cockrum

- Edward Foliott was Minister of Marston Parish which in 1674 united with Middletown Parish to form Bruton Parish.

- 1611 Angola Peter hung for murder of William Hencocke. Likely the same as Peter below.

Another conspiracy in the same area—perhaps inspired by Peter and involving only African American slaves—was to have begun on Easter, 1710. A slave named Will, however, betrayed it to authorities. Will got his freedom and his owner Robert Ruffin was reimbursed for his value with £40 of public money. Two of the plot's leaders were tried by the General Court, convicted, and executed. Wrote Governor Edmund Jenings in his report to the London Lords of Trade, "I hope their fate will strike such terror in the other negroes as will keep them from forming such designs for the future, without being obliged to make an example of any more of them."

Noteworthy is that Robert Ruffin lived right next to Augustine Hunnicutt

- William Hencoate is the likely brother of John Hunnicutt

I would suggest that William Hencoate married a daughter of William Warren and moved near Albertus who was the brother of Elizabeth Warren who married John Hunnicutt