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2019-07-23 17:09:46 UTC
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As Boris Johnson will be the new PM, just wanted to point out an interesting webpage presenting his ancestry in fairly full detail:

http://vademecumgenealogy.blogspot.com/

Some possible highlights in his ancestor table, depending upon your interests:


#30. Henry Clinton Porter, pharmacist, b. 1851, Towanda, Bradford county, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.


#31. Clara Holcomb, b. 30 July 1848, Pennsylvania, U.S.A., d. ?, m. 1873 (Public Member Tree, The Maahs Family Tree)


#90. H.H. Prince Paul von Württemberg, b. 19 Jan. 1785, St.Petersburg, d. 16 Apr. 1852, Paris


#91. Friederike Margarethe Porth, b. 22 Aug. 1776, Halberstadt; d. 9 Jun. 1860, Frankfurt am Main, extramarital union ca 1805


#363. H.R.H. Princess Augusta of Great Britain and Ireland
r***@yahoo.com
2019-07-23 18:00:28 UTC
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https://books.google.com/books?id=jlcdAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA317&dq=%22henry+clinton+porter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPnNmPz8vjAhXoTN8KHVmVCaM4ChDoAQgxMAI#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20clinton%20porter%22&f=false
P J Evans
2019-07-23 18:16:00 UTC
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https://books.google.com/books?id=jlcdAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA317&dq=%22henry+clinton+porter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPnNmPz8vjAhXoTN8KHVmVCaM4ChDoAQgxMAI#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20clinton%20porter%22&f=false
The daughter mentioned is Charlotte Endymion Porter, an American poet.
r***@yahoo.com
2019-07-23 18:59:01 UTC
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https://books.google.com/books?id=jlcdAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA317&dq=%22henry+clinton+porter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPnNmPz8vjAhXoTN8KHVmVCaM4ChDoAQgxMAI#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20clinton%20porter%22&f=false
The daughter mentioned is Charlotte Endymion Porter, an American poet.
Extensive details of Charlotte's ancestry are here:
https://books.google.com/books?id=ElIDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT382&dq=nathaniel+betts+towanda&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8gZym3MvjAhUJm-AKHSsLBFE4ChDoAQhIMAY#v=onepage&q=nathaniel%20betts%20towanda&f=false
taf
2019-07-23 21:10:43 UTC
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https://books.google.com/books?id=jlcdAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA317&dq=%22henry+clinton+porter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPnNmPz8vjAhXoTN8KHVmVCaM4ChDoAQgxMAI#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20clinton%20porter%22&f=false
The daughter mentioned is Charlotte Endymion Porter, an American poet.
https://books.google.com/books?id=ElIDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT382&dq=nathaniel+betts+towanda&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8gZym3MvjAhUJm-AKHSsLBFE4ChDoAQhIMAY#v=onepage&q=nathaniel%20betts%20towanda&f=false
Except it appears to be in error regarding the name of her maternal grandmother, who is called Eliza Montague Warner in this account, but Eliza Clark Warner in one Bradford County historys account of Nathaniel N Betts (the one you cited), and Eliza C. in another history's account of Adonijah Warner. Likewise, her tombstone calls her Eliza Clark Warner, wife of Nathaniel Betts.


Anyhow, this area is one of my genealogical stomping grounds. Anyone interested in these Towanda people should check out what started as a USGenWeb county site, then was expanded to adjacent counties and converted into a personal site by its creator:

https://www.joycetice.com/jmtindex.htm

Among other things you will find the line from 31:Clara Holcomb back to colonial immigrant Thomas Holcomb. (My recommendation though is that you don't use the site's own search feature, but instead include 'site:joycetice.com' in a standard Google search.)

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r***@yahoo.com
2019-07-23 22:15:18 UTC
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https://books.google.com/books?id=jlcdAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA317&dq=%22henry+clinton+porter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPnNmPz8vjAhXoTN8KHVmVCaM4ChDoAQgxMAI#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20clinton%20porter%22&f=false
The daughter mentioned is Charlotte Endymion Porter, an American poet.
https://books.google.com/books?id=ElIDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT382&dq=nathaniel+betts+towanda&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8gZym3MvjAhUJm-AKHSsLBFE4ChDoAQhIMAY#v=onepage&q=nathaniel%20betts%20towanda&f=false
Except it appears to be in error regarding the name of her maternal grandmother, who is called Eliza Montague Warner in this account, but Eliza Clark Warner in one Bradford County historys account of Nathaniel N Betts (the one you cited), and Eliza C. in another history's account of Adonijah Warner. Likewise, her tombstone calls her Eliza Clark Warner, wife of Nathaniel Betts.
https://www.joycetice.com/jmtindex.htm
Among other things you will find the line from 31:Clara Holcomb back to colonial immigrant Thomas Holcomb. (My recommendation though is that you don't use the site's own search feature, but instead include 'site:joycetice.com' in a standard Google search.)
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Right, there's an apparent error in that middle name. I haven't been able to verify the middle name of Hannah Frisbee, either, though it looks like she may have Twitchell ancestry. I wonder if some of these middle names weren't invented for the write-up, as you wouldn't expect all four grandparents to have middle names at this period.

So are you any relation of the new PM, taf?
P J Evans
2019-07-24 00:02:13 UTC
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https://books.google.com/books?id=jlcdAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA317&dq=%22henry+clinton+porter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPnNmPz8vjAhXoTN8KHVmVCaM4ChDoAQgxMAI#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20clinton%20porter%22&f=false
The daughter mentioned is Charlotte Endymion Porter, an American poet.
https://books.google.com/books?id=ElIDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT382&dq=nathaniel+betts+towanda&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8gZym3MvjAhUJm-AKHSsLBFE4ChDoAQhIMAY#v=onepage&q=nathaniel%20betts%20towanda&f=false
Except it appears to be in error regarding the name of her maternal grandmother, who is called Eliza Montague Warner in this account, but Eliza Clark Warner in one Bradford County historys account of Nathaniel N Betts (the one you cited), and Eliza C. in another history's account of Adonijah Warner. Likewise, her tombstone calls her Eliza Clark Warner, wife of Nathaniel Betts.
https://www.joycetice.com/jmtindex.htm
Among other things you will find the line from 31:Clara Holcomb back to colonial immigrant Thomas Holcomb. (My recommendation though is that you don't use the site's own search feature, but instead include 'site:joycetice.com' in a standard Google search.)
taf
Right, there's an apparent error in that middle name. I haven't been able to verify the middle name of Hannah Frisbee, either, though it looks like she may have Twitchell ancestry. I wonder if some of these middle names weren't invented for the write-up, as you wouldn't expect all four grandparents to have middle names at this period.
So are you any relation of the new PM, taf?
People frequently seem to add the surname of a parent as the middle name on their trees - I find it annoying, because I never know if it's real or invented.
p***@yahoo.ca
2019-07-24 01:23:43 UTC
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A second great grand father of mine had a middle name that came from friends of his parents.
taf
2019-07-24 02:21:56 UTC
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People frequently seem to add the surname of a parent as the middle name on
their trees - I find it annoying, because I never know if it's real or
invented.
I see this happening a number of different ways.

In some cases, they extrapolate back a son's middle name to the like-named father. Example, I have a cousin born in the mid-1800s named Aaron Mortimer Randall. His father was just Aaron Randall, but on the death certificate the father is given the same middle name as the son. This also happens in my patrilineage where immigrant John (or Johannes, never anything more) had sons John, John Nicholas and Nicholas (with others). He somehow became John N in family records, copying the middle initial of one of his sons. His son John (again Johannes but never anything more) then became John C, extrapolating back from his son John Charles, and there is at least one other instance in the early generations where the middle name of a son has been extrapolated back a generation.

Second, they guess, or simply make it up. Given a middle initial, they speculate on what the name should have been. In some cases, this is done to beg the question. A son of Ethan Allen is routinely assigned the wrong middle name, because they think they know what it should have been based on his speculative maternal ancestry, but multiple contemporary records show it to have been different (and the actual name makes perfect sense given the mindset of the father). Likewise, sometimes people simply don't like their given name and pick another one, and the same sometimes goes for their ancestors. I imagine that Eliza Warner's granddaughter would have thought the middle name 'Clark' quite mundane. For that matter, given what I know about the naming practiced in the area, I am skeptical that the poetess was given the middle name of Endymion at birth.

A third pattern I have seen is in a genealogy of the Gamaliel Beaman family, where the author decided that there were too many people with the same names to keep straight, so they arbitrarily assigned them their mother's maiden name as a middle name. Thus Joseph Beamon, son of Hannah Knight appears as Joseph Knight Beaman. His father is Joseph Holland Beaman, etc. None of them actually bore these middle names, but most genealogists of the family did not take the time to read the front-matter to discover this whim of the author and simply took the text as an authentic representation of their names - all the online databases now have these 'middle names'.

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P J Evans
2019-07-24 02:29:15 UTC
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People frequently seem to add the surname of a parent as the middle name on
their trees - I find it annoying, because I never know if it's real or
invented.
I see this happening a number of different ways.
In some cases, they extrapolate back a son's middle name to the like-named father. Example, I have a cousin born in the mid-1800s named Aaron Mortimer Randall. His father was just Aaron Randall, but on the death certificate the father is given the same middle name as the son. This also happens in my patrilineage where immigrant John (or Johannes, never anything more) had sons John, John Nicholas and Nicholas (with others). He somehow became John N in family records, copying the middle initial of one of his sons. His son John (again Johannes but never anything more) then became John C, extrapolating back from his son John Charles, and there is at least one other instance in the early generations where the middle name of a son has been extrapolated back a generation.
Second, they guess, or simply make it up. Given a middle initial, they speculate on what the name should have been. In some cases, this is done to beg the question. A son of Ethan Allen is routinely assigned the wrong middle name, because they think they know what it should have been based on his speculative maternal ancestry, but multiple contemporary records show it to have been different (and the actual name makes perfect sense given the mindset of the father). Likewise, sometimes people simply don't like their given name and pick another one, and the same sometimes goes for their ancestors. I imagine that Eliza Warner's granddaughter would have thought the middle name 'Clark' quite mundane. For that matter, given what I know about the naming practiced in the area, I am skeptical that the poetess was given the middle name of Endymion at birth.
A third pattern I have seen is in a genealogy of the Gamaliel Beaman family, where the author decided that there were too many people with the same names to keep straight, so they arbitrarily assigned them their mother's maiden name as a middle name. Thus Joseph Beamon, son of Hannah Knight appears as Joseph Knight Beaman. His father is Joseph Holland Beaman, etc. None of them actually bore these middle names, but most genealogists of the family did not take the time to read the front-matter to discover this whim of the author and simply took the text as an authentic representation of their names - all the online databases now have these 'middle names'.
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Charlotte's birth name was apparently Helen Charlotte. She changed it later.

I've seen sons given the same personal name (either first or middle) in German Catholic families (the particular family I ran across was using Hubert).
P J Evans
2019-07-24 00:14:15 UTC
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https://books.google.com/books?id=jlcdAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA317&dq=%22henry+clinton+porter%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiPnNmPz8vjAhXoTN8KHVmVCaM4ChDoAQgxMAI#v=onepage&q=%22henry%20clinton%20porter%22&f=false
The daughter mentioned is Charlotte Endymion Porter, an American poet.
https://books.google.com/books?id=ElIDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PT382&dq=nathaniel+betts+towanda&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi8gZym3MvjAhUJm-AKHSsLBFE4ChDoAQhIMAY#v=onepage&q=nathaniel%20betts%20towanda&f=false
Except it appears to be in error regarding the name of her maternal grandmother, who is called Eliza Montague Warner in this account, but Eliza Clark Warner in one Bradford County historys account of Nathaniel N Betts (the one you cited), and Eliza C. in another history's account of Adonijah Warner. Likewise, her tombstone calls her Eliza Clark Warner, wife of Nathaniel Betts.
https://www.joycetice.com/jmtindex.htm
Among other things you will find the line from 31:Clara Holcomb back to colonial immigrant Thomas Holcomb. (My recommendation though is that you don't use the site's own search feature, but instead include 'site:joycetice.com' in a standard Google search.)
taf
Right, there's an apparent error in that middle name. I haven't been able to verify the middle name of Hannah Frisbee, either, though it looks like she may have Twitchell ancestry. I wonder if some of these middle names weren't invented for the write-up, as you wouldn't expect all four grandparents to have middle names at this period.
So are you any relation of the new PM, taf?
I actually have a file with Hannah Frisbie's ancestry - it's shared with a friend who is a Frisbie. (Never got around to looking up the Twitchells, though.)

1. Hannah Frisbie: born 2 Jul 1792 in Waterbury, New Haven, CT; died 14 Apr 1844.

2. Ebenezer Frisbie: born 30 Nov 1773 in Waterbury, New Haven, CT; married 23 Nov 1791 in Waterbury, New Haven, CT; died 14 May 1835 in New Haven, OH.
3. Deborah Twitchell: born bef 17 Sep 1775.

4. Reuben Frisbie: born 8 Aug 1746 in Branford, New Haven, CT; married 25 May 1769 in Waterbury, New Haven, CT; died 10 Sep 1824 in Wolcott, New Haven, CT.
5. Hannah Wakelee: born 1751; died 20 Nov 1778 in Waterbury, New Haven, CT.

6. Isaac Twitchell.

8. Elijah Frisbie: born 1 Nov 1717 in Branford, New Haven, CT; married; died 15 Feb 1800 in Wolcott, New Haven, CT.
9. Abigail Culver: born 1719; died 19 Apr 1771 in Waterbury, New Haven, CT.

10. Ebenezer Wakelee: married 30 Apr 1740; died Jan 1800.
11. Elizabeth Nichols: born abt 1717; died 11 Aug 1802.

16. John Frisbie: born 23 May 1676 in Branford, New Haven, CT; married 7 Apr 1703; died 14 Jan 1736 in Branford, New Haven, CT.
17. Susanna Herberry or Henbury: born 20 Feb 1682.

18. Samuel Culver: married.
19. Ruth Tyler.

20. James Wakelee: born 28 Dec 1688 in Stratford, Fairfield, CT; married; died 4 May 1762 in Stratford, Fairfield, CT.
21. Sarah Shelton: born 2 Jan 1694/5 in Ripton, Fairfield, CT; died 1787.

22. Joseph Nichols.

32. John Frisbie: born 17 Jul 1650 in Branford, New Haven, CT; married 2 Dec 1674; died Mar 1694 in Branford, New Haven, CT.
33. Ruth Bowers.

40. James Wakelee: born 1653; married; died bef 1710.
41. Hannah Peet: born 6 Dec 1667 in Stratford, Fairfield, CT; died bef 1701/2.

42. Daniel Shelton.

64. Edward Frisbie: born 1620; married; died 10 May 1690 in Branford, New Haven, CT.

66. John Bowers: married.
67. Rebecca Gregson.

80. Henry Wakelee: married 4 Sep 1649 in Norwalk, Fairfield, CT; died 11 Jul 1689 in Stratford, Fairfield, CT.
81. Sarah Burt: born 1620/1; died 9 Oct 1689 in Stratford, Fairfield, CT.

82. John Peet: married.
83. Sarah Osborn.
taf
2019-07-24 02:40:05 UTC
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So are you any relation of the new PM, taf?
Only all the way back in Colonial New England, where a quick survey turns up one most-recent common ancestor who is son of a 1630s immigrant, and two more where the immigrant is the MRCA. I have a hard time getting excited about such things. Back in the day, when I had access to a large genealogical collection, with a lot of books that would trace someone's complete ancestry, I would look at the ones with New England origin for any overlap, and about a third of them included shared ancestry, usually at this depth (immigrant generation or sons of immigrants - and less than a quarter of my pedigree is old New England, so someone with more NE bloodstock would be related to just about everyone else with old NE ancestry). If you are related to such a proportion of all people with NE colonial ancestry, somehow, it is hard to get too excited about the precise details.

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2019-07-24 01:51:47 UTC
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Did a quick-and-dirty search today, and came up with the following New England colonial families that Boris descends from, among others. Going straight down the ahnentafel (except where duplicates appear, and skipping some families I didn’t/couldn’t trace):

Porter, Holcomb (twice), Sherwood, Hopkins, Bronson, Strong, Deane, Skinner, Pratt, Lord, Brooks, Spencer (Gerard) (four times), Gillette, Clark (twice), Beach, Wilcoxson, Curtis, Beecher, Barnes, Frost (twice), Frisbie, Wakelee, Twitchell, Tomlinson, Alcott/Alcock, Heaton, Blakeslee, Betts & Bouton & Marvin (twice each), Hubbard (twice), Beers, Noble, Dewey, Callender & Eaton & Mason (twice each), Camp, Warner, Taylor, Selden, Ferry, Montague, Rice, King, Bliss, Chapin, Buell, Buttolph, Crofut, Benedict, Gregory, Starr, Bailey, Backus, Gerrard, Beckwith, Brainerd, Dudley, Roe, Scoville, Shayler/Shailer, Tracy, Winslow, Leffingwell, White, Bushnell, Marvin, Rude/Rood, Eddy, Lester, Wells, Case, Corwin, Vail, and Folger. Boris’ maternal-line ancestry ends at Mrs. Esther Case (wife of Benjamin who d.1774) of Southold, Long Island, NY, maiden name unknown.

No absolute guarantees about accuracy of course, but no obvious (to me) errors in the info either.

Also, for those interested, no gateway ancestry that I can see, except for the unproven link through the Winslow family.

Jim+
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2019-07-24 02:46:18 UTC
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Porter, Holcomb (twice), Sherwood, Hopkins, Bronson, Strong, Deane, Skinner, Pratt, Lord, Brooks, Spencer (Gerard) (four times), Gillette, Clark (twice), Beach, Wilcoxson, Curtis, Beecher, Barnes, Frost (twice), Frisbie, Wakelee, Twitchell, Tomlinson, Alcott/Alcock, Heaton, Blakeslee, Betts & Bouton & Marvin (twice each), Hubbard (twice), Beers, Noble, Dewey, Callender & Eaton & Mason (twice each), Camp, Warner, Taylor, Selden, Ferry, Montague, Rice, King, Bliss, Chapin, Buell, Buttolph, Crofut, Benedict, Gregory, Starr, Bailey, Backus, Gerrard, Beckwith, Brainerd, Dudley, Roe, Scoville, Shayler/Shailer, Tracy, Winslow, Leffingwell, White, Bushnell, Marvin, Rude/Rood, Eddy, Lester, Wells, Case, Corwin, Vail, and Folger. Boris’ maternal-line ancestry ends at Mrs. Esther Case (wife of Benjamin who d.1774) of Southold, Long Island, NY, maiden name unknown.
OK, there are three or four more shared names in this list, but based on the associated surnames, they are at the same depth (immigrant or son of immigrant).

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2019-07-24 03:08:42 UTC
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Porter, Holcomb (twice), Sherwood, Hopkins, Bronson, Strong, Deane, Skinner, Pratt, Lord, Brooks, Spencer (Gerard) (four times), Gillette, Clark (twice), Beach, Wilcoxson, Curtis, Beecher, Barnes, Frost (twice), Frisbie, Wakelee, Twitchell, Tomlinson, Alcott/Alcock, Heaton, Blakeslee, Betts & Bouton & Marvin (twice each), Hubbard (twice), Beers, Noble, Dewey, Callender & Eaton & Mason (twice each), Camp, Warner, Taylor, Selden, Ferry, Montague, Rice, King, Bliss, Chapin, Buell, Buttolph, Crofut, Benedict, Gregory, Starr, Bailey, Backus, Gerrard, Beckwith, Brainerd, Dudley, Roe, Scoville, Shayler/Shailer, Tracy, Winslow, Leffingwell, White, Bushnell, Marvin, Rude/Rood, Eddy, Lester, Wells, Case, Corwin, Vail, and Folger. Boris’ maternal-line ancestry ends at Mrs. Esther Case (wife of Benjamin who d.1774) of Southold, Long Island, NY, maiden name unknown.
OK, there are three or four more shared names in this list, but based on the associated surnames, they are at the same depth (immigrant or son of immigrant).
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I agree it isn't terribly fascinating. More of an odd curiosity.

I have the "Skinner, Pratt, Lord, Brooks, Spencer (Gerard)" family cluster as well as "Bliss, Chapin" and "White, Bushnell." Also ... Shayler, Eddy, and Folger.

This is with a tad more than 1/4th New England ancestry. My grandmother with the New England ancestry was a Porter, and also had a different Porter line, but Boris Johnson's Porters seems to be unrelated to either. I'm also assuming his Mason and Wells families are different than the ones I have.
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2019-07-24 17:19:53 UTC
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It seems possible Boris' matrilineal ancestress Mrs. Esther Case of Southold, NY, was born Esther HOMAN ...

https://books.google.com/books?id=I46BAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA290&dq=%22benjamin+case%22+esther&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj1o46whs7jAhWRc98KHViDBAMQ6AEILjAB#v=onepage&q=%22benjamin%20case%22%20esther&f=false

"He [Benjamin Case] m. (1) Nov. 1, 1741, Esther Homan ..."

See also
https://books.google.com/books?id=BKTGFtLlrrAC&pg=PA265&dq=%22esther+homan%22+case&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiF-vfkh87jAhWEg-AKHWJiAAMQ6AEILTAB#v=onepage&q=%22esther%20homan%22%20case&f=false
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2019-07-23 18:53:17 UTC
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https://books.google.com/books?id=8dAwAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA513&dq=nathaniel+betts+towanda&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjRtYSE28vjAhUqheAKHZzECmAQ6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=nathaniel%20betts%20towanda&f=false
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2019-07-23 22:29:43 UTC
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Here is an outline of the full Porter line from Daniel Porter, "bone-setter":

https://books.google.com/books?id=1J1DAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA287&dq=%22israel+clark%22+southington&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjItLCTi8zjAhWpc98KHQh4AN4Q6AEIOjAD#v=onepage&q=%22israel%20clark%22%20southington&f=false
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2019-07-23 22:38:35 UTC
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Here is the ancestry of Margaret (Skinner), the wife of Dr. Timothy Porter.

https://books.google.com/books?id=r4tRAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA71&dq=%22timothy+porter%22+southmayd&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwizw6mAjczjAhUhh-AKHX7aBoEQ6AEIVjAI#v=onepage&q=%22timothy%20porter%22%20southmayd&f=false

She was a granddaughter of my ancestor Ebenezer Skinner.
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2019-07-25 05:08:31 UTC
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She was a granddaughter of my ancestor Ebenezer Skinner.
I'm an Ebenezer

Ebenezer>Joseph>Abner>Jacob>Benajah Abner>Francis T.>Clark Allen>Eva Adeline (Skinner) Peterson>grandmother>mother>Nathan
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2019-07-25 16:16:24 UTC
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She was a granddaughter of my ancestor Ebenezer Skinner.
I'm an Ebenezer
Ebenezer>Joseph>Abner>Jacob>Benajah Abner>Francis T.>Clark Allen>Eva Adeline (Skinner) Peterson>grandmother>mother>Nathan
Interesting, Nathan.

That puts us in the company of Prime Minister Johnson, Mayflower Madam (Sidney Biddle Barrows), and the murderer Dr. Hawley Harvey Crippen, who was executed at Pentonville.

https://famouskin.com/famous-kin-menu.php?name=23963+ebenezer+skinner

My line goes through Ebenezer's dau. Abigail who married Isaac Bigelow, and then through Wells, Eaton, Cox, and Porter (some of these were in Nova Scotia).

I guess you know that Mr. Zoeth Eldridge showed the correct ancestry of Ebenezer Skinner's wife, Sarah (not Abigail) Lord, in NEHGR, 54:450:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x000540809&view=1up&seq=502

... So "Shayler/Shaler" should be mentioned in that "Skinner, Pratt ..." cluster, I suppose. Unless Boris has two Shaler lines?
r***@yahoo.com
2019-07-25 16:38:48 UTC
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Sorry, Shaylor / Shaler is wrong in this spot.

Sarah (Brooks) Lord, whose widowed mother remarried to a Shaler/ Shayler/ Shaylor, was definitely a Brooks, although she had some half-siblings who were Shalers:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89062870688&view=1up&seq=168
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2019-07-25 19:18:27 UTC
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I might as well just post the full ancestry I have through the 3x-great grandparents of Boris’ American great-grandmother Helen Tracy (Porter) Lowe. Again, not fully verified, but a first draft. The Shayler/Shailer name comes in at #55 below. Hannah (Shayler) Scoville was the daughter of 110. Thomas Shayler (1670-1753) and 111. Catherine Clark (ca.1682-1753). Thomas was the son of 220. Thomas Shayler (ca.1639-ca.1692) and 221. Alice (Marah) Spencer (ca.1641-1714), a daughter of Gerrard/Jared and Mrs. Hannah Spencer. Catherine was the daughter of 222. Joseph Clark (ca.1652-1716) and 223. Ruth Spencer (ca.1654-1744), another daughter of Gerrard/Jared and Mrs. Hannah Spencer.

I’m sure any other connections can be easily worked out from the pedigree below.

Jim+


1. Helen Tracy Porter 1876-1963

2. Henry Clinton Porter (Jr.) 1851-
3. Clara Holcomb 1848-

4. Henry Clinton Porter (Sr.) 1825-
5. Eliza Ellen Betts 1830-
6. Judson Holcomb 1819-1903
7. Maria Nobles 1823-1913

8. Horace Porter 1790-
9. Hannah Frisbie 1792-1844
10. Nathaniel Noble Betts (Sr.) 1799-1875
11. Eliza Clark Warner 1804-1897
12. Hugh H. Holcomb 1774-1843
13. Prudence Bailey 1785-1861
14. Jonathan Nobles 1791-1873
15. Hila Tracy 1799-1842

16. Daniel Porter 1768-1851
17. Anna Clark 1770-1831
18. Ebenezer Frisbie 1773-1835
19. Deborah Twitchell 1775-
20. William Betts 1774-183
21. Olive Noble 1777-1813
22. Adonijah Warner 1769-1845
23. Nancy Means ca.1768-
24. Eli Holcomb 1741-1823
25. Hannah Crofut 1742-1825
26. Oliver Bailey 1738-1822
27. Hannah Scoville 1739-1828
28. unknown
29. unknown
30. Solomon Tracy 1756-1835
31. Mary Wells 1765-1848

32. Timothy Porter 1735-1792
33. Margaret Skinner ca.1739-1813
34. Ingham Clark 1746-1797
35. Sarah Beach 1746-1797
36. Reuben Frisbie 1746-1824
37. Hannah Wakelee 1751-1778
38. Isaac Twitchell ca.1741-1776
39. Deborah Alcox/Alcott ca.1742-1831
40. Zopher Betts 1734-1778
41. Elizabeth Marvin ca.1736-
42. Nathaniel Noble 1736-1824
43. Mary Ann Callender 1750-1838
44. Stephen Warner 1726-1796
45. Rachel Montague ca.1728-
46. poss. Samuel Means 1735-1780
47. poss. Elizabeth Clark
48. David Holcomb 1699-1784
49. Mehitable Buttolph 1704-1767
50. Matthew Crofut ca.1710-ca.1782
51. Rebecca Benedict
52. Ephraim Bailey ca.1691-1761
53. Deborah Brainerd 1698-ca.1745
54. William Scoville 1706-1788
55. Hannah Shayler 1715-1802
56. through 59. unknown
60. Isaac Tracy 1706-1779
61. Mehitable Rude 1725- ca.1786
62. Abner Wells 1737-1797
63. Mary Case ca.1741-1806
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2019-07-25 21:04:29 UTC
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14. Jonathan Nobles 1791-1873
Jonathan Nobles was age 73 and born in Connecticut, as recorded on the 1865 state census of New York. He was living in Great Valley, Cattaraugus County, with his son Spencer Nobles, aged 43, born "Allegany."

_Historical Gazetteer and Biographical Memorial of Cattaraugus_ (1893) says, "Jonathan Nobles was an early settler in Great Valley, and with him from Angelica, N.Y., came his son Spencer T., both of whom settled at Kill Buck. ..."

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=pst.000002124155&view=1up&seq=810

The given name Hila was repeated in this family, so it's probably right. I would try to investigate a connection with earlier generations...

20. William Betts 1774-183
21. Olive Noble 1777-1813
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2019-07-25 22:45:28 UTC
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There is apparently a surviving letter from Judson Holcomb to Spencer Nobles:

Letter written by Judson Holcomb to Spencer Nobles (Text)
Excerpt: Rome, Dec 22 1854 Brother Spencer, Enclosed I send to you fifty dollars. Eighteen dollars of which is your due on the land...

https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/mediastorypublic/?name=_Nobles&count=50&fh=150&fsk=MDs0OTs1NTA-61-
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2019-08-03 22:46:41 UTC
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Dear Newsgroup ~

I spoke to Gary Boyd Roberts, of Boston, Massachusetts this week. We discussed the American ancestry of Boris Johnson, the new Prime Minister of Great Britain. He indicated that Mr. Johnson has a descent from the 17th Century New World immigrant, Elizabeth Alsop, wife of Richard Baldwin.

Elizabeth Alsop has several descents from King Edward I. Below is one of those descents.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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1. KING EDWARD I OF ENGLAND, died 1307.
2. ELIZABETH OF ENGLAND, married HUMPHREY DE BOHUN, Knt., Earl of Hereford and Essex.
3. ELEANOR DE BOHUN, married JAMES LE BOTELER, K.B., 1st Earl of Ormond.
4. JAMES LE BOTELER, 2nd Earl of Ormond, married ELIZABETH DARCY.
5. JAMES LE BOTELER, 3rd Earl of Ormond, Knt., married ANNE WELLES.
6. JAMES LE BOTELER, 4th Earl of Ormond, married JOAN BEAUCHAMP.
7. THOMAS BUTLER (or ORMOND), K.B., 7th Earl of Ormond, married ANNE HANKFORD.
8. MARGARET BUTLER, married WILLIAM BOLEYN, K.B., of Blickling, Norfolk.
9. ALICE BOLEYN, married ROBERT CLERE, Knt., of Ormesby St. Margaret, Norfolk.
10. JOHN CLERE, Knt., of Ormesby St. Margaret, Norfolk, and London, married ANNE TYRELL.
11. EDWARD CLERE, Knt., of Blickling, Norfolk, married FRANCES FULMERSTON.
12. ANNE CLERE, married WILLIAM GILBERT, Gent.
13. TEMPERANCE GILBERT, married JOHN ALSOP, Gent., of Alsop-le-Dale (in Ashbourne), Derbyshire.
14. ELIZABETH ALSOP, married (1st) RICHARD BALDWIN, of Milford, Connecticut; (2nd) [LIEUT.] WILLIAM FOWLER.
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2019-08-07 14:29:12 UTC
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https://vitabrevis.americanancestors.org/2019/08/boris-johnson-to-edward-i-royal-lines/
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2019-07-25 19:22:09 UTC
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.... and just to be clear, #63. Mary (Case) Wells (ca.1741-1806) was the daughter of 126. Benjamin Case (ca.1692-1774) and Mrs. Esther (Homan?) Case, as discussed previously.

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2019-07-25 19:10:23 UTC
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She was a granddaughter of my ancestor Ebenezer Skinner.
I'm an Ebenezer
Ebenezer>Joseph>Abner>Jacob>Benajah Abner>Francis T.>Clark Allen>Eva Adeline (Skinner) Peterson>grandmother>mother>Nathan
Interesting, Nathan.
That puts us in the company of Prime Minister Johnson, Mayflower Madam (Sidney Biddle Barrows), and the murderer Dr. Hawley Harvey Crippen, who was executed at Pentonville.
https://famouskin.com/famous-kin-menu.php?name=23963+ebenezer+skinner
My line goes through Ebenezer's dau. Abigail who married Isaac Bigelow, and then through Wells, Eaton, Cox, and Porter (some of these were in Nova Scotia).
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=uva.x000540809&view=1up&seq=502
... So "Shayler/Shaler" should be mentioned in that "Skinner, Pratt ..." cluster, I suppose. Unless Boris has two Shaler lines?
Dr. Hawley Crippen had numerous lines from original settler Thomas Crippen and his wife Frances ___.

https://famouskin.com/pedigree.php?name=78763+hawley+h+crippen&ahnum=64

As I've pointed out before, Frances (___) Crippen was surely the "sister Frances Crippins of Boston in New England" named in the 1696 will of widow Rebecca Draper of Lewes, East Sussex:

https://books.google.com/books?id=Q2BIAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA365&dq=%22peter+daranda%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi73rvw2dDjAhVhhuAKHVkmCJcQ6AEIPzAE#v=onepage&q=%22peter%20daranda%22&f=false
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