Supposed descent of most US Presidents from King John of England

[lmahler]

For anyone who hasn't seen this before -
A grade school researcher has found that supposedly
nearly every US President descends from King John of
England.


http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-presidents-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42-43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452

http://weareallrelated.com/


Those of us who are well-informed on such things know
that many Presidents have no royal descent at all
(Reagan, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Buchanan, Polk etc).

This looks like a typical money-making scam, that
deceives people who don't know better.


Leslie

[wjhonson]

Post by lmahler
For anyone who hasn't seen this before -
A grade school researcher has found that supposedly
nearly every US President descends from King John of
England.
http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-presidents-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42-43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452
http://weareallrelated.com/
Those of us who are well-informed on such things know
that many Presidents have no royal descent at all
(Reagan, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Buchanan, Polk etc).
This looks like a typical money-making scam, that
deceives people who don't know better.
Leslie

I remarked on this when it occurred, showing that in particular Andrew Jackson has no known ancestry before his own parents. Guesses aside.

Someone has archived my original KNOL here

http://archive.is/dDNCJ

I'll have to dig to find a more clear copy, but at least you can read this one more or less.

[Stewart Baldwin]

Post by lmahler
For anyone who hasn't seen this before -
A grade school researcher has found that supposedly
nearly every US President descends from King John of
England.
http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-presidents-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42-43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452
http://weareallrelated.com/
Those of us who are well-informed on such things know
that many Presidents have no royal descent at all
(Reagan, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Buchanan, Polk etc).

This is just a picky point, but I assume that you meant to say "... no documented royal descent ..." If you allow descents which are true but impossible to document, surely nearly everybody with a large amount of Western European ancestry descends from Charlemagne.

Post by lmahler
This looks like a typical money-making scam, that
deceives people who don't know better.

I doubt that there is any deliberate dishonesty in the story, which looks like one of those "human interest" items that reporters like so much. I doubt that either the girl or the reporter know enough about genealocial documentation to realize that the story is false.

Stewart Baldwin

[l***@gmail.com]

Post by Stewart Baldwin

Post by lmahler
For anyone who hasn't seen this before -
A grade school researcher has found that supposedly
nearly every US President descends from King John of
England.
http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-presidents-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42-43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452
http://weareallrelated.com/
Those of us who are well-informed on such things know
that many Presidents have no royal descent at all
(Reagan, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Buchanan, Polk etc).

This is just a picky point, but I assume that you meant to say "... no documented royal descent ..." If you allow descents which are true but impossible to document, surely nearly everybody with a large amount of Western European ancestry descends from Charlemagne.

Post by lmahler
This looks like a typical money-making scam, that
deceives people who don't know better.

I doubt that there is any deliberate dishonesty in the story, which looks like one of those "human interest" items that reporters like so much. I doubt that either the girl or the reporter know enough about genealocial documentation to realize that the story is false.
Stewart Baldwin

The reason why I said it's deceptive is because the site
http://weareallrelated.com
is selling charts with the supposed descents from King John
of England, for $50 each.

They also state that 'historians' have found royal descents for
only 22 Presidents, but that the compilers of the site have
done better than established researchers.

What has probably been done is that they accepted any supposed
lineage found on the internet, without checking for which ones
are true or false.

Leslie

[r***@gmail.com]

During the 1988 Presidential election, the press made a big thing about the alleged royal descent of George Bush Senior but were very quiet about it during the 2000 election, when George Bush Junior was the candidate, particularly when there was controversy over the outcome of said election, when accusations of 'a sense of entitlement' were flying around.

[Leo van de Pas]

Dear Leslie,
This kind of statements make it worthwhile checking. Has anyone seen any of
those specific lines, to see where this girl went wrong?

This is my list of USA presidents descending from King John.

1.George Washington
3.Thomas Jefferson
4.James Madison Jr.
6.John Quincy Adams
9.William Henry Harrison
12.Zachary Taylor
13.Millard Fillmore
22 and 24. Stephen Grover Cleveland
23.Benjamin Harrison
26.Theodore Roosevelt
27.William Howard Taft
29.Warren Gamaliel Harding
30.Calvin Coolidge
31.Herbert Clark Hoover
32.Franklin Delano Roosevelt
38.Gerald Ford
41.George Herbert Bush
43.George Walker Bush

Have I missed any, I wonder. For Barack Obama as first English king I have
Henry II.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia


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From: gen-medieval-***@rootsweb.com
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Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2013 7:53 AM
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Subject: Supposed descent of most US Presidents from King John of England




For anyone who hasn't seen this before - A grade school researcher has found
that supposedly nearly every US President descends from King John of
England.


http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-preside
nts-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42-
43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452

http://weareallrelated.com/


Those of us who are well-informed on such things know that many Presidents
have no royal descent at all (Reagan, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Buchanan,
Polk etc).

This looks like a typical money-making scam, that deceives people who don't
know better.


Leslie

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[wjhonson]

Post by Leo van de Pas
Dear Leslie,
This kind of statements make it worthwhile checking. Has anyone seen any of
those specific lines, to see where this girl went wrong?
This is my list of USA presidents descending from King John.
1.George Washington
3.Thomas Jefferson
4.James Madison Jr.
6.John Quincy Adams
9.William Henry Harrison
12.Zachary Taylor
13.Millard Fillmore
22 and 24. Stephen Grover Cleveland
23.Benjamin Harrison
26.Theodore Roosevelt
27.William Howard Taft
29.Warren Gamaliel Harding
30.Calvin Coolidge
31.Herbert Clark Hoover
32.Franklin Delano Roosevelt
38.Gerald Ford
41.George Herbert Bush
43.George Walker Bush
Have I missed any, I wonder. For Barack Obama as first English king I have
Henry II.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

I have Barack descended from Col Edwin Conway the husband of Martha Eltonhead

This Edwin was an E3 descendor, son of the
Edward Conway, Knt 1596, Baron Conway of Ragley, co Warwick 1624; 1st Viscount /Conway/ 1626
and
Dorothy /Tracy/ of Toddington

[Olivier]

...

Post by Leo van de Pas
Have I missed any, I wonder. For Barack Obama as first English king I have
Henry II.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

For President Obama, i've found a link to King Edward III
http://geneanjou.blog.lemonde.fr/2008/11/09/le-president-elu-barack-obama-aurait-il-des-ancetres-angevins/

[Leo van de Pas]

In 1935 Merrow Egerton Sorley published "Lewis of Warner Hall" The History
of a Family. I have the republished version of 1979 (Genealogical Publishing
Co., Baltimore).

How reliable is this?

On page 59 and 59 are shown the children of John Lewis and his wife
Elizabeth Warner.
1.1694 John
2.1696 Charles
3.1704 Robert
4.1705 Catherine (twin)
5.1705 Elizabeth (twin)
6.Mary "believed to be a daughter" "there is no proof of her parentage"
7.1706 Elizabeth
8.1707 Isabella
9.1712 Anne

The vital David Lewis 1695-1779 is not mentioned among these children.

William Addams Reitwiesner, in his ancestor list of Barack Obama, lists this
David Lewis as ancestor nr 1774 and Anne Terrell his wife as 1775
In the next generation David Lewis has no parents but Anne Terrell does,
William Terrell and Susan Waters.

Also in the other line something is taken for granted which is refuted in
Gary Boyd Roberts' book on American presidents.

George Washington has ancestor nr.46 Nicholas Martiau (according to Gerald
Paget ancestor of Prince Charles M7007)

In GBR's book Nicholas Martiau nr 46 had an unknown wife...........but there
is a description under 47.
---- (probably an unknown first wife, however G.H.S.I Washington thought she
was Jane NN (widow of Edward Berkeley) who married Martiau about 1625 and
she died ante 1646.

In the lineage below this unknown wife (believed to be Jane widow of Edward
Berkely) is turned into a Jane Berkeley daughter of an Edward Berkeley.

But the vital link still is John Lewis and Elizabeth Warner, did they have a
son David Lewis? If not, then all these lines from Edward III to Barack
Obama fail.

What a pity.
Leo van de Pas,
Canberra, Australia


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England

...

Post by Leo van de Pas
Have I missed any, I wonder. For Barack Obama as first English king I have
Henry II.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia

For President Obama, i've found a link to King Edward III
http://geneanjou.blog.lemonde.fr/2008/11/09/le-president-elu-barack-obama-au
rait-il-des-ancetres-angevins/

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[David Teague]

Henry II, Leo?

Is cousin Barack another William Longespee descendant?

Thanks in advance.

David Teague
(My link to Obama is through the Teagues.)

Post by Leo van de Pas
Dear Leslie,
This kind of statements make it worthwhile checking. Has anyone seen any of
those specific lines, to see where this girl went wrong?
This is my list of USA presidents descending from King John.
1.George Washington
3.Thomas Jefferson
4.James Madison Jr.
6.John Quincy Adams
9.William Henry Harrison
12.Zachary Taylor
13.Millard Fillmore
22 and 24. Stephen Grover Cleveland
23.Benjamin Harrison
26.Theodore Roosevelt
27.William Howard Taft
29.Warren Gamaliel Harding
30.Calvin Coolidge
31.Herbert Clark Hoover
32.Franklin Delano Roosevelt
38.Gerald Ford
41.George Herbert Bush
43.George Walker Bush
Have I missed any, I wonder. For Barack Obama as first English king I have
Henry II.
With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2013 7:53 AM
Subject: Supposed descent of most US Presidents from King John of England
For anyone who hasn't seen this before - A grade school researcher has
found
that supposedly nearly every US President descends from King John of
England.
http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-preside
nts-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42-
43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452
http://weareallrelated.com/
Those of us who are well-informed on such things know that many Presidents
have no royal descent at all (Reagan, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Buchanan,
Polk etc).
This looks like a typical money-making scam, that deceives people who don't
know better.
Leslie
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[Leo van de Pas]

Yes, he is. I will send you an attachment.

Leo



From: David Teague [mailto:***@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2013 9:12 AM
To: Leo van de Pas
Cc: lmahler; gen-***@rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Supposed descent of most US Presidents from King John of
England



Henry II, Leo?

Is cousin Barack another William Longespee descendant?

Thanks in advance.

David Teague
(My link to Obama is through the Teagues.)





On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Leo van de Pas <***@netspeed.com.au>
wrote:

Dear Leslie,
This kind of statements make it worthwhile checking. Has anyone seen any of
those specific lines, to see where this girl went wrong?

This is my list of USA presidents descending from King John.

1.George Washington
3.Thomas Jefferson
4.James Madison Jr.
6.John Quincy Adams
9.William Henry Harrison
12.Zachary Taylor
13.Millard Fillmore
22 and 24. Stephen Grover Cleveland
23.Benjamin Harrison
26.Theodore Roosevelt
27.William Howard Taft
29.Warren Gamaliel Harding
30.Calvin Coolidge
31.Herbert Clark Hoover
32.Franklin Delano Roosevelt
38.Gerald Ford
41.George Herbert Bush
43.George Walker Bush

Have I missed any, I wonder. For Barack Obama as first English king I have
Henry II.

With best wishes
Leo van de Pas
Canberra, Australia



-----Original Message-----
From: gen-medieval-***@rootsweb.com
[mailto:gen-medieval-***@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lmahler
Sent: Sunday, 8 December 2013 7:53 AM
To: gen-***@rootsweb.com
Subject: Supposed descent of most US Presidents from King John of England




For anyone who hasn't seen this before - A grade school researcher has found
that supposedly nearly every US President descends from King John of
England.


http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-preside
<http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-presid
e%0d%0ants-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king>
nts-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42-
<http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42
-%0d%0a43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452>
43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452

http://weareallrelated.com/


Those of us who are well-informed on such things know that many Presidents
have no royal descent at all (Reagan, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Buchanan,
Polk etc).

This looks like a typical money-making scam, that deceives people who don't
know better.


Leslie

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[Gary Ferrill]

Could someone post the royal descent of James Madison and Zachary Taylor?


------------------------------

Post by lmahler
For anyone who hasn't seen this before -
A grade school researcher has found that supposedly
nearly every US President descends from King John of
England.
http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-presidents-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42-43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452
http://weareallrelated.com/
Those of us who are well-informed on such things know
that many Presidents have no royal descent at all
(Reagan, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Buchanan, Polk etc).
This looks like a typical money-making scam, that
deceives people who don't know better.
Leslie
-------------------------------

[j***@iquest.net]

If I remember correctly, James Madison's claim to a royal descent is
through one of the Eltonhead sisters and Zachary Taylor's was through
the Strother family. However, it's been some time since I looked into
either Madison or Taylor (my connection to both comes through the
Thornton family, which is off-topic since nothing is known of the
Thornton ancestry prior to 1600) so I may be wrong, and/or more recent
research may have changed things as well. In any case it shouldn't be
too difficult to connect the dots...

Jeff Duvall

Post by Gary Ferrill
Could someone post the royal descent of James Madison and Zachary Taylor?
------------------------------

Post by lmahler
For anyone who hasn't seen this before -
A grade school researcher has found that supposedly
nearly every US President descends from King John of
England.
http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-presidents-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42-43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452
http://weareallrelated.com/
Those of us who are well-informed on such things know
that many Presidents have no royal descent at all
(Reagan, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Buchanan, Polk etc).
This looks like a typical money-making scam, that
deceives people who don't know better.
Leslie
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[m***@frontier.com]

Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, S are my 9th great grandparents.  It goes to Henry II of England. I have copies of Douglas Richardson's  books.

Marianne Dillow


________________________________
From: "***@iquest.net" <***@iquest.net>
To: gen-***@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Supposed descent of most US Presidents from King John of England


If I remember correctly, James Madison's claim to a royal descent is 
through one of the Eltonhead sisters and Zachary Taylor's was through 
the Strother family. However, it's been some time since I looked into 
either Madison or Taylor (my connection to both comes through the 
Thornton family, which is off-topic since nothing is known of the 
Thornton ancestry prior to 1600) so I may be wrong, and/or more recent 
research may have changed things as well.  In any case it shouldn't be 
too difficult to connect the dots...

Jeff Duvall

Post by Gary Ferrill
Could someone post the royal descent of James Madison and Zachary Taylor?
------------------------------

Post by lmahler
For anyone who hasn't seen this before -
A grade school researcher has found that supposedly
nearly every US President descends from King John of
England.
http://nation.foxnews.com/presidential-ancestry/2012/08/05/paper-all-presidents-bar-one-are-descended-one-english-king
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/genes-seventh-grader-bloodlines-42-43-u-s-presidents-link-back-king-john-england-article-1.1129452
http://weareallrelated.com/
Those of us who are well-informed on such things know
that many Presidents have no royal descent at all
(Reagan, Kennedy, Andrew Jackson, Buchanan, Polk etc).
This looks like a typical money-making scam, that
deceives people who don't know better.
Leslie

[m***@frontier.com]

Lineage pf Pres. James Madison;


Edwin Conway, Sr and Martha Eltonhead daughter of Richard Eltonhead and Anne Sutton.... 


Edwin Conway, Jr. and Elizabeth Thornton

Francis Conway and Rebecca Catlett

Nellie Conway and James Madison Sr


Pres. James Madison  1751-1836

Marianne Dillow



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To: "gen-***@rootsweb.com" <gen-***@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Supposed descent of most US Presidents from King John of England


Martha Eltonhead and Edwin Conway, S are my 9th great grandparents.  It goes to Henry II of England. I have copies of Douglas Richardson's  books.

Marianne Dillow


________________________________
From: "***@iquest.net" <***@iquest.net>
To: gen-***@rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Supposed descent of most US Presidents from King John of England


If I remember correctly, James Madison's claim to a royal descent is 
through one of the Eltonhead sisters and Zachary Taylor's was through 
the Strother family. However, it's been some time since I looked into 
either Madison or Taylor (my connection to both comes through the 
Thornton family, which is off-topic since nothing is known of the 
Thornton ancestry prior to 1600) so I may be wrong, and/or more recent 
research may have changed things as well.  In any case it shouldn't be 
too difficult to connect the dots...

Jeff Duvall

Post by Gary Ferrill
Could someone post the royal descent of James Madison and Zachary Taylor?