Douglas Richardson
2006-02-15 07:59:19 UTC
Dear Newsgroup ~
One outstanding medieval genealogical puzzle is the maiden name and
parentage of the much married Maud, wife successively Richard de
Willoughby (died 1369), John Tuchet (died 1372), and John
Daubridgecourt (died 1415).
According to an ancient pedigree of the Willoughby family, Maud was the
"daughter of Reginald, and sister of Sir John de Grey" [Reference:
Stevenson, Report on MSS of Lord Middleton (Hist. MSS Comm. 69) (1911):
504-505]. Due to the multiple Grey families in England, however, it
has been difficult to assign Maud to any particular Grey family with
any confidence. If taken at face value, Maud's father, Reginald de
Grey, was not knighted, whereas her brother, John, was.
Research indicates that Maud's 3rd husband, Sir John Daubridgecourt, is
mentioned in connection with a 1397 bond, indenture, and recognizance
between Elizabeth, widow of Henry de Grey, 5th Lord Grey of Wilton (son
of Reynold) and Philip Darcy, Lord Darcy and Meynell, which
transactions concern the arrangements for the marriage of Margaret,
daughter of Henry and Elizabeth de Grey, and John Darcy, son and heir
of Philip Darcy. While this record is suggestive that Maud, wife of
John Daubridgecourt, might have been a Grey of Wilton, no other
supporting evidence has come forward to confirm any kinship between the
two families. It can also be noted that while Henry de Grey's father
was named Reynold (or Reginald) de Grey (died 1370), Henry had no known
brother named John.
Searching the helpful online A2A Catalogue has revealed another
connection between the Grey and Daubridgecourt families. The
Cavendish Deeds at the Nottinghamshire Archives include a deed dated
1378 from Robert de Eton to Reginald de Grey regarding property in
Hardewik (in Kirkeby), Nottinghamshire. This conveyance was followed
by a second deed dated 1382 from Reginald Gray [sic] to Sir John
Daubridgecourt of the same property. The second deed has an armorial
seal attached to it displaying the following Grey arms: Barry of six
over all five lozenges conjoined in bend. A copy of abstracts of the
two deeds from the A2A Catalogue are found below.
Checking various Grey armorial seals, I find the closest match to the
above arms are recorded on seals for a John de Grey as follows:
1. Date: c. 1300. John de Grey. A shield of arms: barry of six, a
bend lozengy [Reference: Ellis Cat. of Seals in the P.R.O. 1 (1978):
29[.
2. Date: 1293. John de Grey, of co. Bedford. A shield of arms: barry
of six, a bend fusilly [Reference: Birch Catalogue of Seals in the
British Museum 3 (1894): 38].
It seems a good bet that the Reginald de Grey who conveyed land to Sir
John Daubridgecourt in 1382 was closely related to Sir John's wife,
Maud. In fact, he could well be her father. So, the question is: Can
anyone identify the Reginald de Grey who acquired land in Hardewik (in
Kirkeby), Nottinghamshire in 1378 and conveyed it in 1382 to Sir John
Daubridgecourt? And, can anyone identify the John de Grey whose seals
are listed above?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
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Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
Nottinghamshire Archives: Portland of Welbeck: Cavendish Deeds
1. Reference: DD/P/CD/19
Creation dates: (18 March 1377/8)
Scope and Content
Gift: Robert de Eton to Reginald de Grey:-- all his property in
Hardewik par. Kirkeby--: Witn. Sir Edmund Pirpoint, Sir John de
Annesley, Robert de Brinnesley, John de Wolaton, Robert de Lancton.
Given at Hardewik.
Seal, a full-length figure, Thurs. before Annunciation B.V.M. 1 Ric.
II.
2. Reference: DD/P/CD/20
Creation dates: (19 May 1382)
Scope and Content
Gift: Reginald de Gray to Sir John Dabrichecourt:-- all his property in
Herdewyk par. Kyrkeby. Witn. ...Morehawe, Henry de Sutton, John
Coldyng, John Smyth of Mannesfeld, Hugh Grayne of Kyrkeby.
Seal, armorial, barry of six over all five lozenges conjoined in bend.
Given at (Her)dewyk Mon. after Ascension 5 Ric. II. Slightly damaged.
One outstanding medieval genealogical puzzle is the maiden name and
parentage of the much married Maud, wife successively Richard de
Willoughby (died 1369), John Tuchet (died 1372), and John
Daubridgecourt (died 1415).
According to an ancient pedigree of the Willoughby family, Maud was the
"daughter of Reginald, and sister of Sir John de Grey" [Reference:
Stevenson, Report on MSS of Lord Middleton (Hist. MSS Comm. 69) (1911):
504-505]. Due to the multiple Grey families in England, however, it
has been difficult to assign Maud to any particular Grey family with
any confidence. If taken at face value, Maud's father, Reginald de
Grey, was not knighted, whereas her brother, John, was.
Research indicates that Maud's 3rd husband, Sir John Daubridgecourt, is
mentioned in connection with a 1397 bond, indenture, and recognizance
between Elizabeth, widow of Henry de Grey, 5th Lord Grey of Wilton (son
of Reynold) and Philip Darcy, Lord Darcy and Meynell, which
transactions concern the arrangements for the marriage of Margaret,
daughter of Henry and Elizabeth de Grey, and John Darcy, son and heir
of Philip Darcy. While this record is suggestive that Maud, wife of
John Daubridgecourt, might have been a Grey of Wilton, no other
supporting evidence has come forward to confirm any kinship between the
two families. It can also be noted that while Henry de Grey's father
was named Reynold (or Reginald) de Grey (died 1370), Henry had no known
brother named John.
Searching the helpful online A2A Catalogue has revealed another
connection between the Grey and Daubridgecourt families. The
Cavendish Deeds at the Nottinghamshire Archives include a deed dated
1378 from Robert de Eton to Reginald de Grey regarding property in
Hardewik (in Kirkeby), Nottinghamshire. This conveyance was followed
by a second deed dated 1382 from Reginald Gray [sic] to Sir John
Daubridgecourt of the same property. The second deed has an armorial
seal attached to it displaying the following Grey arms: Barry of six
over all five lozenges conjoined in bend. A copy of abstracts of the
two deeds from the A2A Catalogue are found below.
Checking various Grey armorial seals, I find the closest match to the
above arms are recorded on seals for a John de Grey as follows:
1. Date: c. 1300. John de Grey. A shield of arms: barry of six, a
bend lozengy [Reference: Ellis Cat. of Seals in the P.R.O. 1 (1978):
29[.
2. Date: 1293. John de Grey, of co. Bedford. A shield of arms: barry
of six, a bend fusilly [Reference: Birch Catalogue of Seals in the
British Museum 3 (1894): 38].
It seems a good bet that the Reginald de Grey who conveyed land to Sir
John Daubridgecourt in 1382 was closely related to Sir John's wife,
Maud. In fact, he could well be her father. So, the question is: Can
anyone identify the Reginald de Grey who acquired land in Hardewik (in
Kirkeby), Nottinghamshire in 1378 and conveyed it in 1382 to Sir John
Daubridgecourt? And, can anyone identify the John de Grey whose seals
are listed above?
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
Website: www.royalancestry.net
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Source: A2A Catalogue (http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/index.asp)
Nottinghamshire Archives: Portland of Welbeck: Cavendish Deeds
1. Reference: DD/P/CD/19
Creation dates: (18 March 1377/8)
Scope and Content
Gift: Robert de Eton to Reginald de Grey:-- all his property in
Hardewik par. Kirkeby--: Witn. Sir Edmund Pirpoint, Sir John de
Annesley, Robert de Brinnesley, John de Wolaton, Robert de Lancton.
Given at Hardewik.
Seal, a full-length figure, Thurs. before Annunciation B.V.M. 1 Ric.
II.
2. Reference: DD/P/CD/20
Creation dates: (19 May 1382)
Scope and Content
Gift: Reginald de Gray to Sir John Dabrichecourt:-- all his property in
Herdewyk par. Kyrkeby. Witn. ...Morehawe, Henry de Sutton, John
Coldyng, John Smyth of Mannesfeld, Hugh Grayne of Kyrkeby.
Seal, armorial, barry of six over all five lozenges conjoined in bend.
Given at (Her)dewyk Mon. after Ascension 5 Ric. II. Slightly damaged.