Friday, 18 January, 2008
Dear John,
Now that is quite a find! Many thanks for bringing
this up. Every answer in genealogy must raise at least
two questions; thanks for noting some of those as well.
It appears your question can be answered, as follows.
A record cited in a footnote to the will of Sir John
Everingham of Birkin, dated 14 Oct 1523, states the
following:
' 29 Oct. 1371. Comm. to John de Monceaux, Nic. de
Everingham, & Thos. de Carethorp to give adm. to
the effects of Sir Edmund de Everingham knt., who
died intestate. (Reg. Thoresby.) ' [1]
The footnote in question was intended to provide
background concerning the ancestry of Sir John Everingham,
but this particular record was associated with the Birkin
family in error. There are records establishing that Sir
Adam de Everingham of Laxton had younger sons named Edmund
and Nicholas: in fact, a fine of 4 Edw III states that
Robert, Edmund, Alexander and Nicholas de Everingham were
sons of Sir Adam by his 2nd wife Margaret [2]. The
association of John de Monceaux in the 1371 administration
of the estate of Sir Edmund de Everingham I think makes it
clear that the Everinghams of Laxton are the correct
family. Further, the records I have seen re: the
Baskerville family indicate that Joan, daughter of Sir
Adam de Everingham (d. 1387/8) and his wife Joan Deiville,
was married to Sir Richard Baskerville, and was married
to Sir Richard through the same period that Joan de
Everingham was married to John de Monceaux (d. 1381).
This, together with the other evidence cited above, shows
that John de Monceaux's wife Joan was a daughter of the
elder Sir Adam de Everingham.
What we know of Sir John de Monceaux of Barmeston,
co. Yorks. (d. 5 April 1363) and his son and heir John
works quite well with the other evidence now in hand,
including your find. John de Monceaux, the son, was born
before April 1333, it being stated that he was age 30 at
his father's IPM [3]. John de Monceaux was married to
Joan de Everingham on or before 29 November 1353 as
evidenced by your find. Given that he was then aged say
20 or 21 and already married to Joan is a good indication
that John de Monceaux, Esq. of Barmston (d. between the
date of his will, 11 Aug 1426, and when it was proved,
16 Aug 1426) was the son of Joan: he would otherwise have
been aged no less than 73, and possibly more, at the time
of his death. Whether Thomas de Carethorp had any
familial assocation with the Everinghams is unclear: he
was associated with John de Monceaux in other matters, as
a witness to a demise dated 14 Feb 1360/1, but there is
no detail noted concerning any other ties [4].
The will of Joan (de Everingham) de Monceaux, widow of
John de Monceaux, provides sufficient evidence to show that
she was the mother of John Monceaux, Esq., of Barmston
(d. bef 16 Aug 1426) and his younger brothers. The will of
"Johanna Mounceux, quondam uxor Johannis Mounceux Domini de
Berneston " was dated 1420, and named as her executors her
younger sons Alexander Monceaux and Robert Monceaux
( "filium meum" in the will) [5]. I have no notation that
she named John Monceaux (her son) in the will, but given
that he was her heir and would receive her estate (less
the indicated bequests) as her heir by operation of law
means such mention was not required. In addition to the
familial and chronological evidence, the will shows her
sons bearing the names not previously noted in the
Monceaux family (Alexander and Robert): they were
evidently the namesakes of their Everingham uncles.
Based on the evidence and discussion above, the
relationships of Joan de Everingham were as shown below:
<1> <2>
1) Clarice = Sir Adam de = 2) Margaret = Sir John
la Warre I Everingham I [de Ros?] I Deiville
I I I____
___________I __________I________ I
I I I I I I
Sir Sibyl Robert Sir Edmund I Joan
Adam d. bef 29 I = Sir Adam
= Joan Oct 1371 I Everingham
Deiville _____________________I__
I I I
Alexander Nicholas Joan = John de
[Testa. Ebor. I Monceaux
V:173] I
____________________________I__
I I I
John de Monceaux Alexander Robert
= Matilda Manfield
I
V
This descent leads to a number of interesting
individuals, including the Duchess of Cornwall, Alfred,
Lord Tennyson, the Boyntons of Barmeston and Hildyards of
Winestead, not to mention the emigrants William Farrar
and William Skepper.
Many thanks, John, for bringing this record to light!
Cheers,
John
NOTES
[1] Testamenta Eboracensia V:173
[2] The record of a fine dated 1330:
' 57. Westminster. Quindene of Easter, 4 Edw. III, 1330.
Adam de Everyngham and Margaret his wife, by Peter de
Richemond, Margaret's attorney, quer., Nicholas de
Skalton, parson of the church of Laxton, def., of the
manor of Shireburn in Harfordlyth: To hold to Adam
and Margaret for life; remainder to Robert their son
and the heirs male of his body; remainders in
succession to Edmund, brother of Robert, and
Alexander, brother of Edmund, and...' [Feet of Fines
for the County of York, Vol. XLII, pp. 32-33]
Following on this is a settlement dated 1336/7, which
introduces a son Nicholas, evidently b. after the 1330
settlement:
' Adam de Everyngham, the elder, to settle his manor of
Laxton on himself for life, with successive remainders
to Adam de Everyngham the younger and the heirs male
of his body, to Robert, brother of the said Adam the
younger and the heirs male of his body,to Edmund,
brother of the said Robert and the heirs male of his
body, to Alexander, brother of the said Edmund and
the heirs male of his body, to Nicholas, brother of
the said Alexander and the heirs male of his body,
and to the right heirs of the grantor, who retains
the manors of North Leverton and Everingham (York).
11 EDWARD III. '
[National Archives C 143/240/8; also CP IV:188]
[3] A. Gooder, The Parliamentary Representation of the
County of York, 1258-1832, Vol. I [The Yorkshire
Archaeological Society Record Series, Vol. XCI
(1935)], p. 104, cites cites P.R.O. C135/178, no. 15.
[4] Record dated 14 Feb 1360/1:
' Demise: William de Carlton of Routh and wife
Beatrice to Sir John de Mounceaux, Robert Ward of
Ulram and Hugh de Lond of Boynton:
- - all property in Boynton which they hold for
the life of Beatrice - - : For life of Beatrice.
Rendering 40s. yearly.
Witn. Sir Amand de Routh, Sir Robert de Boynton,
Thomas de Carthorp, Walter de Bukton, Robert de Thorp.
Given at Boynton, Sunday in St. Valentine 1360.
Seals (i) a standing figure (in a boat?), right
hand raised, 3 (stars?) above (ii) 4 (flowers?)
joined in a cross
NOTE Old style date 14 February 1360/1 '
[Documents about Boyntons in the Hull University
Archive. URL:
http://www.boyntons.us/yorkshire/generalinformation/hull02.html
[5] 'Testamentum Johannae Mounceux', Testamenta
Eboracensia IV:398, No. 282.
* John P. Ravilious
Post by John WatsonHi all,
I came across a new internet resource recently, the University of
http://slb-archives.hull.ac.uk/DServe/welcome.htm
On searching for something else (as usual) I came across this record,
Document Ref � �DDWB/20/10
Date � �29 November 1353
Title � Gift: Sir John de Mounceux de Bernyston to his son and heir
John de Mounceux and wife Jean (daughter of Sir Adam de Everyngham)
and heirs of their bodies
Description � � Messuage, dovecote, 8 1/2ac. bovates with forelands;
places of land called le Conynger, le Newenges, 2 Calcroftes,
Thornholmhill, Twentyfote near le Erledykes, and Strotcunthill; a
windmill and all donor's fishery in Lescet. 3 messuages and 10ac. and
rent of 18d. from a messuage held by Robert son of Emma, Robert son of
Margaret and William Sutheron, in Ulram. 4 messuages and 12ac. in
Beford. 3 messuages and 2 bovates in Hilderthorp. Messuage and 2
bovates in Ryghton. 5 messuages, 1 bovate and the third part of the
tolls of the sea in Alburn: Rendering a rose yearly. With reversion to
donor. Witn. Sir William de Playtz, Sir Roger Bygod, Sir John Meaux,
John de Wandesford, Richard Spynes, William de Hasthorp, Walter de
Bucton, John de Lutton, Martin de Skyren. Given at Neuton near
Wyntringham, Friday on eve of St. Andrew apostle. 1353
The question is, which Adam de Everingham was this Jean (or more
probably Joan) the daughter of. I have three possible candidates.
Adam de Everingham of Laxton, 1279 - 1341,
his son, Adam de Everingham of Laxton, ca. 1307 - 1388,
or Adam de Everingham of Birkin and Rockley, ca. 1260 - ca. 1345
Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.
Regards,
John