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William Bowes correction (again)
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wjhonson
2008-11-06 06:23:11 UTC
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Mention of the Bowes family, allows me to throw a correction, because
many people are repeating the inaccuracy that Ralph Bowes (d 1512),
esq of Streatlam Castle was third son yet successor to his father
William Bowes (by Maud FitzHugh).

The evidence however is that Sir William Bowes of Streatlam, son of
another Sir William Bowes by Joan Greystoke; married Maud FitzHugh
daughter of William Lord FitzHugh by Margery Willoughby of the
Willoughby of Eresby family.

Their heir apparent was William Bowes who was NOT a knight, but only
an esq and who did attain to his father's estate sometime between 1468
and 1474, but held it only briefly.

This William Bowes, esq, married a wife named Isabella who survived
him. Burke makes her a "niece to Lawrence Booth, Bishop of
Durham" (and later Archbishop of York) but if so, I do not know
exactly how they connect. After William Bowes, esq died, shortly
after, Isabella remarried to Thomas Bryan, Knt and then Chief Justice
of the Common Pleas until his death in 1500.

*When* William Bowes, esq died, his second brother Robert had already
d.s.p. and his third brother Ralph Bowes, esq was held his heir in
Streatlam etc. This Ralph Bowes married Marjery Conyers dau of Sir
Richard. This Ralph assigned to his sister-in-law Isabella some lands
as her portion in 1474 when he attained the estates.

And so on.

The confusion arises since William Bowes, esq followed his father
William Bowes, Knt and only lived for a short while. That both
William and his brother Ralph were adults by 1474 curtails as well the
nonsense that Ralph was born in 1468.

Will Johnson
John Watson
2008-11-07 05:59:02 UTC
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Post by wjhonson
Mention of the Bowes family, allows me to throw a correction, because
many people are repeating the inaccuracy that Ralph Bowes (d 1512),
esq of Streatlam Castle was third son yet successor to his father
William Bowes (by Maud FitzHugh).
The evidence however is that Sir William Bowes of Streatlam, son of
another Sir William Bowes by Joan Greystoke; married Maud FitzHugh
daughter of William Lord FitzHugh by Margery Willoughby of the
Willoughby of Eresby family.
Their heir apparent was William Bowes who was NOT a knight, but only
an esq and who did attain to his father's estate sometime between 1468
and 1474, but held it only briefly.
This William Bowes, esq, married a wife named Isabella who survived
him.  Burke makes her a "niece to Lawrence Booth, Bishop of
Durham" (and later Archbishop of York) but if so, I do not know
exactly how they connect.  After William Bowes, esq died, shortly
after, Isabella remarried to Thomas Bryan, Knt and then Chief Justice
of the Common Pleas until his death in 1500.
*When* William Bowes, esq died, his second brother Robert had already
d.s.p. and his third brother Ralph Bowes, esq was held his heir in
Streatlam etc.  This Ralph Bowes married Marjery Conyers dau of Sir
Richard.  This Ralph assigned to his sister-in-law Isabella some lands
as her portion in 1474 when he attained the estates.
And so on.
The confusion arises since William Bowes, esq followed his father
William Bowes, Knt and only lived for a short while.  That both
William and his brother Ralph were adults by 1474 curtails as well the
nonsense that Ralph was born in 1468.
Will Johnson
Hi Will,

Perhaps this will help:

William del Bowes, Inquisition post mortem taken on 22 December 1399
at Durham. William, aged 8, the son of Robert del Bowes is his kinsman
and next heir [i.e. - his grandson] [1].

Matillis Bowes, widow of William. Inq. p.m. taken 28 April 1421 at
Durham. William Bowes, aged 26, son of Robert Bowes son of the said
William del Bowes and Matillis is her son and next heir. She had held
in dower the manors and lands in Neuton, Willington, Aukland, Helton,
Ingilton and Scham. She had also held in dower Lutteryngton, Cletlam
and Langle, the reversion thereof after her death to George del Bowes
son and heir of Thomas del Bowes and Agnes his wife by virtue of the
gift of John de Helton, clerk, made to the said Agnes, by the name of
Agnes widow of John Clarvaux, and her heirs by the said Thomas del
Bowes. Which lands the said John Helton had of the gift of William
Bowes, deceased. The said George Bowes is aged 22 years [2].

Johanna widow of Thomas Brouneflete, Inquisition post mortem taken on
8 December 1438 at Bishop Aukland. William Bowes, aged 40, is her son
and next heir [3].

Bowes, William. Inq. v. off. taken 19 September 1442 at Durham. He had
settled his lands, &c., to the use of his son William Bowes and
Matilda his wife and their heirs [4].

Bowes, William. Inq. p.m. taken 27 July 1458 at Bishop's Aukland.
William, aged 30, is his son and heir [5].

Bowes, William. Inq. p.m. taken 11 October 1466 at Aukeland. William,
aged 22, is his son and next heir [6]

Bowes, William. Inq. p.m. taken 24 January 1473-4 at Durham. Ralph
Bowes, aged 24, is his brother and next heir [7]

Bowes, Ralph. Inq. p.m. taken 7 June 1512 at Durham. Ralph, aged 20,
is his son and next heir.[8]

References:
(all on Google books)
1. 45th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1885) p 166
2. 45th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1885) p 169
3. 44th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1883) p 317
4. 44th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1883) p 317
5. 44th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1883) p 319
6. 44th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1883) p 321
7. 44th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1883) p 321
8. 44th Annual Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records
(London: 1883) p 327
W***@aol.com
2008-11-07 06:07:06 UTC
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In a message dated 11/6/2008 10:00:29 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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William del Bowes, Inquisition post mortem taken on 22 December 1399
at Durham. William, aged 8, the son of Robert del Bowes is his kinsman
and next heir [i.e. - his grandson] [1].


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AAAAAAA!
Robert Bowes is supposed to have been Slain at Bange Bridge in 1421 and to
have fought at Rouen in 1419.
I guess not! He was dead by 1399!
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W***@aol.com
2008-11-07 06:26:52 UTC
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Thanks John this is perfect.

I wonder if Matillis dying 22 years after her husband isn't a second wife.
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2008-11-07 06:41:07 UTC
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I had mentioned that William Bowes, esq died leaving a widow Isabella
Somebody who married next to Sir Thomas Bryan, Knt , Chief Justice of the Common
Pleas 1471-1500.

Here is my evidence

Manchester University, John Rylands Library: Phillips Charters
CONTACT: Manchester University, John Rylands Library
Phillipps Charters
Catalogue Ref. PHC
Creator(s): Phillipps, Sir, Thomas, 1792-1872, 1st baronet, antiquary and
bibliophile
ref. PHC/247-259

STAINTON-WITH-STREATLAM (Co. Durham)

FILE [no title] - ref. PHC/255 - date: Sept. 23d, 1474
hit[from Scope and Content] --Grant by Ralph Bowes, esq., younger brother and
heir of William Bowes, Esq., to Isabella, the latter's widow and wife of
Thomas Bryan, chief justice of the King's Bench, of lands in Budill and
Spindelston in the county of Northumberland, in Magna Chilton, Hilton, Stainton,
Staindrop and Winston in the county of Durham, as a dowry for her life.

FILE [no title] - ref. PHC/256 - date: Sept. 24th, 1474
hit[from Scope and Content] --Confirmation by Ralph Bowes, esq., of No.
PHC/255 and of the grant made to the said Isabella by Henry Billokes and Thomas
Portyngton, clerk, of the manors of Baynes alias Hamyldon, Clowcroft, Palyon,
and Newton near Durham.


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j***@freshfoodexpress.co.uk
2018-11-19 16:17:56 UTC
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of the manors of Baynes alias Hamyldon, Clowcroft, Palyon,
Post by W***@aol.com
and Newton near Durham.
For anyone interested, I think the manor of "Baynes" is normally known as "Barnes", which is south of the river Wear, to the west of Sunderland.
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