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Staffordshire origins of John Hynkeley of Thurlow, Suffolk (+1432)
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Matthew Hovious
2010-02-03 15:55:00 UTC
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As far as I am aware, the parentage of John Hynkeley Esq of Thurlow (+
1432) is not generally known. It was not in any event particularly
important to the principal source of modern interest in John, David L.
Greene's excellent article 'The Royal Ancestry of the Ipswich
(Massachusetts) and Long Island Lawrence Families', given that the
line of interest to that research passed not through John but through
his wife, Margaret Notbeme.

Modern technology of course makes it far easier to cast around for
clues to John's origin, though unfortunately these snippets can be
drowned out in genealogical references to the unrelated Hinckley
family of Kent and their descendants, or to this John's near-namesake,
would-be presidential assasin John Hinckley. There are also a great
many references to John's alleged birth at a nonexistent place called
Hinkley in Suffolk!

The extract of a document recently added to the National Archives'
excellent on-line catalogue strongly suggests that John Hynkeley of
Thurlow belonged to the Staffordshire family of that name, and certain
local research indicates that he was in fact the eventual heir of the
Hynkeley family who had been lords of Aston by Stone.

The document in question, SC 8/24/1173, refers to an Inquisition, the
jurors of which had found against John Hynkeley, and states in part
that 'John Hynkeley has now sued a writ of decies tantum in
Staffordshire, claiming that they took money from the plaintiffs at
Stafford and Stone to corrupt the inquisition; which they deny. They
ask the commons to consider that the writ of trespass was sued in
Essex, where they live, and that they have never been to
Staffordshire, whereas John Hynkeley has many kinsmen and allies
there'.

The references to Staffordshire kinsmen obviously suggested a family
that pops up in scattered references in the Patent Rolls, and in
Collections for the History of Staffordshire, among other places. But
the only pedigree I could find that had already been compiled for this
family was on an obscure CD-Rom publication, 'Staffordshire Landed
Gentry' by Richard Williams, of which there is a copy in the British
Library. He gives a Hynkeley pedigree with few references, which can
be summarised as follows [my own additions in brackets]:

I. John Hynkeley, was lord of Stoke in Stone 1281/2; father of

II: John Hynkeley, Lord of Aston by Stone in 1316; d. by 1318; father
of

III. Sir John Hynkeley of Stoke in Stone.
(Bailiff, Queen's Isabel's Hundred of Ellesmere, Salop); (Bailiff,
Queen's Isabel's manor of Macclesfield) 1316; (served in Scotland)
1319; (M.P., Staffs) 1320 1325 1328(1) 1328(2); (pardoned for acting
against the Despencers) 1321; (with Lancaster, in arms against the
King) 1322; (? surrendered before Boroughbridge); (knighted) 1323-4;
(as a Staffs Knight, summoned to attend the King at Westminster and on
an armorial roll) *1324; (Commr. Array) 1324; (J.P., Staffs) 1325-30;
(served in France) 1326; (Sheriff, Staffs & Salop) 1327-Feb 1329.30
Mar 1329.30-Dec 1330 1335-6; (M.P., Staffs & Salop) 1330 1335 1336;
(Keeper, Roucester Abbey) 1335; (served in Ireland) 1337
Married by 1318 Elizabeth _____ [Who in 1346 h. remainder of certain
tenements in Wystaneswyk, per Collections for the History of
Staffordshire 11, P. 157]; father of

IV. John Hynkeley, lord of 1/2 of Aston in Stone [d. aft 1342;
mentioned as son of III in Cal Pat Rolls E3V5, P. 545]; father of

V. John Hynkeley, (held land at Tunstall and Abbots Bromley);
(succeded William Venables at Aston in Stone) a1376; (M.P., Staffs)
1378 1385; (squire to Hugh Calveley in France) 1380-1; (J.P., Staffs)
1382; (living) 1388; father of

VI. John Hynkeley, m Margaret ......; (a widow) 1432/3
(in retinue of Hugh Stafford 2nd Earl of Stafford a1342-1386, and
brought his remains back from Rhodes for burial at Stone) a1386
(as son and heir, lord of Aston in Stone, until sold to William Lee of
Aston in Stone Esquire c1400-a1446 QV)

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The latter gentleman is apparently identical to John Hynkeley of
Thurlow, who married Margaret Notbeme and would indeed have left her a
widow by 1432/3. Williams unfortunately does not state how, in
following the Hynkeley line forward, he learnt these particulars, and
it is ironic that he apparently is unaware of the line's eventual fate
in Suffolk, while I believe those of us who had previously encountered
John Hynkeley in Essex records were ignorant of his Staffordshire
ancestry (though it should be noted that Williams' compilation ends at
this point, while there are Hynkeleys of this line in Staffordshire
traceable through land holidings until at least 1466).

Can anyone add to or correct the above pedigree for John?
Nathaniel Taylor
2010-02-04 02:23:36 UTC
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Post by Matthew Hovious
As far as I am aware, the parentage of John Hynkeley Esq of Thurlow (+
1432) is not generally known. ...
The extract of a document recently added to the National Archives'
excellent on-line catalogue strongly suggests that John Hynkeley of
Thurlow belonged to the Staffordshire family of that name, and certain
local research indicates that he was in fact the eventual heir of the
Hynkeley family who had been lords of Aston by Stone.
The document in question, SC 8/24/1173, refers to an Inquisition, the
jurors of which had found against John Hynkeley, and states in part
that 'John Hynkeley has now sued a writ of decies tantum in
Staffordshire, claiming that they took money from the plaintiffs at
Stafford and Stone to corrupt the inquisition; which they deny. They
ask the commons to consider that the writ of trespass was sued in
Essex, where they live, and that they have never been to
Staffordshire, whereas John Hynkeley has many kinsmen and allies
there'.
The references to Staffordshire kinsmen obviously suggested a family
that pops up in scattered references in the Patent Rolls, and in
Collections for the History of Staffordshire, among other places. But
the only pedigree I could find that had already been compiled for this
family was on an obscure CD-Rom publication, 'Staffordshire Landed
Gentry' by Richard Williams ...
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Post by Matthew Hovious
Can anyone add to or correct the above pedigree for John?
Matthew, great find! I can't add anything to this, but, as a descendant,
I'm all ears for more.

Nat Taylor
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p***@yahoo.ca
2020-01-25 01:02:59 UTC
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Has anyone found any additional information on this family? I've tried without too much success. I did turn up a record in the Plea Rolls for Staffordshire, a couple of deeds and a petition, but nothing more.
Vance Mead
2020-01-25 18:09:24 UTC
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Here are a couple Common Pleas entries for him in Suffolk.

Michalemas 1422
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no647/aCP40no647fronts/IMG_0328.htm
Suff. John Hynkeley, Richard Hethe versus Simon Fuller, of Poselyngford, yeoman. Trespass at Poselyngford.

Hilary 1427
http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no664/bCP40no664dorses/IMG_1682.htm
Suff. John Hynkeley versus Richard Kendale, of Magna Thirlowe, yeoman. Debt of 12 marks.

Poslingford is about two miles from Great Thurlow.
Post by p***@yahoo.ca
Has anyone found any additional information on this family? I've tried without too much success. I did turn up a record in the Plea Rolls for Staffordshire, a couple of deeds and a petition, but nothing more.
Michael Welch
2020-01-26 02:42:14 UTC
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Post by Matthew Hovious
As far as I am aware, the parentage of John Hynkeley Esq of Thurlow (+
1432) is not generally known. It was not in any event particularly
important to the principal source of modern interest in John, David L.
Greene's excellent article 'The Royal Ancestry of the Ipswich
(Massachusetts) and Long Island Lawrence Families', given that the
line of interest to that research passed not through John but through
his wife, Margaret Notbeme.
Modern technology of course makes it far easier to cast around for
clues to John's origin, though unfortunately these snippets can be
drowned out in genealogical references to the unrelated Hinckley
family of Kent and their descendants, or to this John's near-namesake,
would-be presidential assasin John Hinckley. There are also a great
many references to John's alleged birth at a nonexistent place called
Hinkley in Suffolk!
The extract of a document recently added to the National Archives'
excellent on-line catalogue strongly suggests that John Hynkeley of
Thurlow belonged to the Staffordshire family of that name, and certain
local research indicates that he was in fact the eventual heir of the
Hynkeley family who had been lords of Aston by Stone.
The document in question, SC 8/24/1173, refers to an Inquisition, the
jurors of which had found against John Hynkeley, and states in part
that 'John Hynkeley has now sued a writ of decies tantum in
Staffordshire, claiming that they took money from the plaintiffs at
Stafford and Stone to corrupt the inquisition; which they deny. They
ask the commons to consider that the writ of trespass was sued in
Essex, where they live, and that they have never been to
Staffordshire, whereas John Hynkeley has many kinsmen and allies
there'.
The references to Staffordshire kinsmen obviously suggested a family
that pops up in scattered references in the Patent Rolls, and in
Collections for the History of Staffordshire, among other places. But
the only pedigree I could find that had already been compiled for this
family was on an obscure CD-Rom publication, 'Staffordshire Landed
Gentry' by Richard Williams, of which there is a copy in the British
Library. He gives a Hynkeley pedigree with few references, which can
I. John Hynkeley, was lord of Stoke in Stone 1281/2; father of
II: John Hynkeley, Lord of Aston by Stone in 1316; d. by 1318; father
of
III. Sir John Hynkeley of Stoke in Stone.
(Bailiff, Queen's Isabel's Hundred of Ellesmere, Salop); (Bailiff,
Queen's Isabel's manor of Macclesfield) 1316; (served in Scotland)
1319; (M.P., Staffs) 1320 1325 1328(1) 1328(2); (pardoned for acting
against the Despencers) 1321; (with Lancaster, in arms against the
King) 1322; (? surrendered before Boroughbridge); (knighted) 1323-4;
(as a Staffs Knight, summoned to attend the King at Westminster and on
an armorial roll) *1324; (Commr. Array) 1324; (J.P., Staffs) 1325-30;
(served in France) 1326; (Sheriff, Staffs & Salop) 1327-Feb 1329.30
Mar 1329.30-Dec 1330 1335-6; (M.P., Staffs & Salop) 1330 1335 1336;
(Keeper, Roucester Abbey) 1335; (served in Ireland) 1337
Married by 1318 Elizabeth _____ [Who in 1346 h. remainder of certain
tenements in Wystaneswyk, per Collections for the History of
Staffordshire 11, P. 157]; father of
IV. John Hynkeley, lord of 1/2 of Aston in Stone [d. aft 1342;
mentioned as son of III in Cal Pat Rolls E3V5, P. 545]; father of
V. John Hynkeley, (held land at Tunstall and Abbots Bromley);
(succeded William Venables at Aston in Stone) a1376; (M.P., Staffs)
1378 1385; (squire to Hugh Calveley in France) 1380-1; (J.P., Staffs)
1382; (living) 1388; father of
VI. John Hynkeley, m Margaret ......; (a widow) 1432/3
(in retinue of Hugh Stafford 2nd Earl of Stafford a1342-1386, and
brought his remains back from Rhodes for burial at Stone) a1386
(as son and heir, lord of Aston in Stone, until sold to William Lee of
Aston in Stone Esquire c1400-a1446 QV)
***************************************************
The latter gentleman is apparently identical to John Hynkeley of
Thurlow, who married Margaret Notbeme and would indeed have left her a
widow by 1432/3. Williams unfortunately does not state how, in
following the Hynkeley line forward, he learnt these particulars, and
it is ironic that he apparently is unaware of the line's eventual fate
in Suffolk, while I believe those of us who had previously encountered
John Hynkeley in Essex records were ignorant of his Staffordshire
ancestry (though it should be noted that Williams' compilation ends at
this point, while there are Hynkeleys of this line in Staffordshire
traceable through land holidings until at least 1466).
Can anyone add to or correct the above pedigree for John?
Mattew very nice find hope it pans out as Im a descendent of the Lawrence family.

Mike
Douglas Richardson
2020-09-05 20:45:32 UTC
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Post by Matthew Hovious
As far as I am aware, the parentage of John Hynkeley Esq of Thurlow (+
1432) is not generally known. It was not in any event particularly
important to the principal source of modern interest in John, David L.
Greene's excellent article 'The Royal Ancestry of the Ipswich
(Massachusetts) and Long Island Lawrence Families', given that the
line of interest to that research passed not through John but through
his wife, Margaret Notbeme.
Modern technology of course makes it far easier to cast around for
clues to John's origin, though unfortunately these snippets can be
drowned out in genealogical references to the unrelated Hinckley
family of Kent and their descendants, or to this John's near-namesake,
would-be presidential assasin John Hinckley. There are also a great
many references to John's alleged birth at a nonexistent place called
Hinkley in Suffolk!
The extract of a document recently added to the National Archives'
excellent on-line catalogue strongly suggests that John Hynkeley of
Thurlow belonged to the Staffordshire family of that name, and certain
local research indicates that he was in fact the eventual heir of the
Hynkeley family who had been lords of Aston by Stone.
The document in question, SC 8/24/1173, refers to an Inquisition, the
jurors of which had found against John Hynkeley, and states in part
that 'John Hynkeley has now sued a writ of decies tantum in
Staffordshire, claiming that they took money from the plaintiffs at
Stafford and Stone to corrupt the inquisition; which they deny. They
ask the commons to consider that the writ of trespass was sued in
Essex, where they live, and that they have never been to
Staffordshire, whereas John Hynkeley has many kinsmen and allies
there'
Matthew, Nat, Michael ~

The Parliamentary petition SC 8/24/1173 and the related petition SC 8/24/1172 involving John Hynkleye can be dated to 1421. There are two legal actions in Easter term 1421 which involve this specific matter. See Court of Common Pleas, CP40/641, image 72f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no641/aCP40no641fronts/IMG_0072.htm) and Court of Common Pleas, CP40/641, image 412f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H5/CP40no641/aCP40no641fronts/IMG_0412.htm).

In Michaelmas 1422 there is likewise a lawsuit involving these same parties. See Court of Common Pleas, CP40/647, image 366f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/H6/CP40no647/aCP40no647fronts/IMG_0366.htm).

Douglas Richardson

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