2020-05-02 18:46:55 UTC
I have been reading the transcription of the
"Heraldic Documents Exemplification of Arms of John Cuerton, dwelling at Bilbao, in Spain, by William Harvy, Clarenceux." Not dated. [MS. Ashm. 834, I., fol. 49]
TRANSACTIONS OF THE Historic Society OF Lancastershire and Cheshire FOR THE YEAR 191 1 VOLUME LXIII NEW SERIES— VOLUME XXVII
that can be found in google books,
and it contains a statement that has me puzzled.
"I have here- vnto annexed the Pedigre and dissent of his ancestors, which manifestly declareth him to be nobly descended of his descent of father and mothers syde from his great grandfather. "
I have not been able to read the actual text that was published on print, but if what Google books provides is mostly correct, there is no s for great-grandfathers, which appears to mean that his mother and his father were both descendants from a common great-grand-father, which I assume to be the father of Alexander de Querton, from Leyland parish.
However, I find that unlikely since John Cuerton's grandfather had moved to Shropshire from Lancashire and married there, and his son, John Cuerton Sr had been born at Shropshire where he married, presumably a woman from the neighborhood of Lilleshall Abbey. There is a surviving document with at least that much of information at Bilbao.
The alternative explanation, I guess, is that the transcribed text is incorrect and the document refers to both his paternal and maternal great-grandfathers, two separate individuals, but that would make his mother's family also esquires with known arms in the mid 1500s, though possibly in Shropshire and not Lancashire
Unfortunately, the original grant appears to have misplaced, and any possible copies in Spain appear to have been lost if they made it there.
Also, was it customary to take theses lines back to the great-grand-fathers on both sides? Or would have this been a special case? I thought the only requirement was to prove descent from an ancestor who had been granted or used arms before, on the father's side.
The grant has no date, but from the Spanish documents, it seems to have been made in 1545 or 1546 since that is when the Spanish authorities requested the documentation at Bilbao.
Thanks for any hints,