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New France connections to medieval nobility
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Clagett, Brice
2003-12-16 00:08:39 UTC
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Louis-Simon Le Poupet, Sieur de St. Aubin in Normandy, 1674-1738, a knight of St. Louis, was given a fief consisting of Boularderie or Verderonne Island, an island within Ile Royale (Cape Breton Island), and established a colony there. The family was ennobled in 1509 and were sieurs or seigneurs of St. Aubin, Vesly, Besneville, Etreville, etc., all in Normandy. Louis-Simon called himself Le Poupet de La Boularderie, and his son Antoine (1705-1771), also Sieur de La Boularderie and knight of St. Louis, appended to his sons' names various other suffixes derived from the family properties in Normandy. Names of the wives in this family included Beaugny, Arnoulet (or Arnoult), Dupont, Osbert and Le Forestier, but I have not traced any of these families back.

It appears that one of Antoine's sons was John Laboularderie Detreville (as he signed himself in South Carolina), 1742-1791, who attested that he was born Jan. 26, 1742, and baptised at Louisbourg two days later. This does not coincide with any of the recorded baptisms of the family in the Louisbourg register, but nonetheless there seems no doubt as to John's parentage. After the fall of Louisbourg he served as a lieutenant of British Grenadiers in Germany, 1758-62, and settled by 1775 on Port Royal Island, Beaufort Co., South Carolina. He was captain and brevet major of Continental artillery in the Revolution and an original member of the Society of the Cincinnati. He married Sarah Wilkinson of S.C. and left two children, with many descendants.

The wife of Louis-Simon Le Poupet de La Boularderie was Marie-Madeleine Mellanson, whose maternal grandfather was Major-Gen. Philipe Mius d'Entremont, c. 1609-1700/l, commander of King's troops in Acadia, Procureur General du Roi, and Baron d'Entremont of Pobomcoup (Pubnico). His parentage is a mystery and has been much debated. One theory -- which seems outlandish at first blush but for which non-frivolous arguments can actually be made -- is that he was identical with Francois-Virgine d'Albon, Count of Entremont, son of Claude Antoine d'Albon, Baron of Meouillon and Montauban, and his wife, Beatrix, Countess of Entremont, posthumous child of Admiral Gaspard de Coligny, the leader of the Huguenots (killed on St. Bartholomew's Day, 1571), and his second wife, Jacqueline de Montbel, Countess of Entremont and Montbel in Savoy. These families have much traceable medieval ancestry; see e.g. ES vol. 14. The theory is that Francois-Virgine, having been persecuted by Richelieu, dis!
appeared, assumed a (mostly) different name, and took refuge in Acadia with his friend the Governor, Charles de St.-Etienne de La Tour. This is all very far out and will probably never be proved, but it is a tantalizing possibility.
Denis Beauregard
2003-12-20 00:39:30 UTC
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Post by Clagett, Brice
Louis-Simon Le Poupet, Sieur de St. Aubin in Normandy, 1674-1738, a knight of St. Louis, was given a fief consisting of Boularderie or Verderonne Island, an island within Ile Royale (Cape Breton Island), and established a colony there. The family was ennobled in 1509 and were sieurs or seigneurs of St. Aubin, Vesly, Besneville, Etreville, etc., all in Normandy. Louis-Simon called himself Le Poupet de La Boularderie, and his son Antoine (1705-1771), also Sieur de La Boularderie and knight of St. Louis, appended to his sons' names various other suffixes derived from the family properties in Normandy. Names of the wives in this family included Beaugny, Arnoulet (or Arnoult), Dupont, Osbert and Le Forestier, but I have not traced any of these families back.
This is what I have.

LE POUPET de SAINT-AUBIN, Louis Simon (Antoine & Jacqueline ARNONDAT
(acr)/ARNOULET (dgfa))
* m 1702-11-29 Port-Royal
MELANÇON, Madeleine (Pierre & Marguerite MIUS d'ENTREMONT)
1. Marie Madeleine m v 1725 Jacques de MAZIÈRES, m av 1742 Sr de
RAMBION
2. Antoine m v 1734 Eléonore Jeanne de BAUGNY

According to Arsenault, he had:
Antoine 1735
Louis 1740 (there is a Louis bapt 1743, 27 February)
Jean Richard 1743 (bapt 1751, 22 September)
Michel 1747
Ferdinand 1751

Since the family ends in 1752, and because of the mismatch with
the records of Louisbourg found on the net, this seems to be from the
1752 census but I don't see them in Rapport de l'Archiviste du Canada
1905 where Louisbourg is missing.

I presume they are not related to Marie Josephe below.

FAFARD, Joseph (Joseph & Josèphe AUGER dit LEMAÎTRE)
* m 1754-02-25 Trois-Rivières, cm 1754-02-25 (greffe Jean Leproust)
POUPETTE then LAGUERCE, Marie Josèphe (..), n v 1732
(she is likely a bastard as she has no name at the marriage, POUPETTE
is from the marriage contract and I presume she is the LAGUERCE
appearing later)
Post by Clagett, Brice
It appears that one of Antoine's sons was John Laboularderie Detreville (as he signed himself in South Carolina), 1742-1791, who attested that he was born Jan. 26, 1742, and baptised at Louisbourg two days later. This does not coincide with any of the recorded baptisms of the family in the Louisbourg register, but nonetheless there seems no doubt as to John's parentage. After the fall of Louisbourg he served as a lieutenant of British Grenadiers in Germany, 1758-62, and settled by 1775 on Port Royal Island, Beaufort Co., South Carolina. He was captain and brevet major of Continental artillery in the Revolution and an original member of the Society of the Cincinnati. He married Sarah Wilkinson of S.C. and left two children, with many descendants.
If John was born in 1742, he was 16 when the French army was forced to
leave Louisbourg. I think it is very unlikely that he served
immediately as a lieutenant of British Grenadiers in Germany, 1758-62.
Nonetheless, there is a John with the right age
Post by Clagett, Brice
The wife of Louis-Simon Le Poupet de La Boularderie was Marie-Madeleine Mellanson, whose maternal grandfather was Major-Gen. Philipe Mius d'Entremont, c. 1609-1700/l, commander of King's troops in Acadia, Procureur General du Roi, and Baron d'Entremont of Pobomcoup (Pubnico). His parentage is a mystery and has been much debated.
One theory -- which seems outlandish at first blush but for which non-frivolous arguments can actually be made -- is that he was identical with Francois-Virgine d'Albon, Count of Entremont, son of Claude Antoine d'Albon, Baron of Meouillon and Montauban, and his wife, Beatrix, Countess of Entremont, posthumous child of Admiral Gaspard de Coligny, the leader of the Huguenots (killed on St. Bartholomew's Day, 1571), and his second wife, Jacqueline de Montbel, Countess of Entremont and Montbel in Savoy. These families have much traceable medieval ancestry; see e.g. ES vol. 14. The theory is that Francois-Virgine, having been persecuted by Richelieu, disappeared, assumed a (mostly) different name, and took refuge in Acadia with his friend the Governor, Charles de St.-Etienne de La Tour. This is all very far out and will probably never be proved, but it is a tantalizing possibility.
This theory was proven to has no value. It is merely based on 2 names
of 2 persons of the family. Moreover, New France was not very
attractive for protestants as there was no official protestant church
in the French colonies. If persecuted, a protestant would more likely
move to New England or other English colonies.

Searching on the Poupet side is more likely to lead somewhere.


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2019-09-16 18:31:46 UTC
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Brice,

Thank you for this research. I am doing some historical research on John L. Detreville. I have several references to John serving in Germany. However, I am not been able to find a source or reference for that. Do you have source information for John's service in Germany? It would seem somewhat problematic for understand that given the continuous warfare between France and Britain.

The other information during his service during the Revolutionary War check out with my own research.

Thank you in advance for any help you might be able to offer.

Doug

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