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Perhaps of interest.
The will of Henry Vanner, Alderman of the City of Canterbury,
mentions cousin Joyce wife of Nicholas Butler of Ashford,
daughter of Richard Baker deceased, and her son Henry.
Thanks. This should be of interest to all descendants of the Butlers
of Martha's Vineyards, from immigrant Nicholas Butler and his wife
Is it possible Richard Baker's wife was a sister of Alderman Vanner of
Burial records for Henry Vanner and his wife, "Mistris Vrsula," at St.
Yes, Baker's wife was probably Vanner's sister, but I havent found the
marriage record that would prove it.
Henry's sister Joan Vanner of Canterbury also left a will, but it
doesnt say much.
Another person mentioned in Henry Vanner's will is a relative in
It's is possible that Richard Baker had a first wife who was sister of Hy Vanner but I don't see evidence of that.
Richard Baker's known wife was Margaret Merry dau of Christopher Merry (d1610 Ashford) & his ___ wife (name not known who d1611 Ashford). After Richard's death in 1604 his wife, Margaret (nee Merry), remarried John Harker, a miller of Ashford.
Joyce's sister Mary Baker b1604 Ashford was married to Thomas Boulding (my direct line). This is not the Thomas Boulding when went to Virginia in the Swan.
Henry Vanner was married to Ursula Rooke in 1575 Mersham.
Ursula Rooke was of daughter of Lawrence and Ursula (nee Scott) Rooke. Sir Reginald Scott (see Kent Visitions 1619) was Ursula's father.
Title: Ecclesiastical cause papers
Plaintiff: John HARKER sen & Nich BUTLER exors; Defendant: Ursula VANNER rel; Documents: Alleg & sent; Case: Test Hy VANNER St Geo Cant
Date: 21 Jul 1631
Held by: Canterbury Cathedral Archives, not available at The National Archives
Nicholas Butler, as you know was married to Joyce Baker (2nd marriage). John Harker (as noted above) was married to Joyce's mother, Margaret so they must be closely related to Vanner. I wonder if Margeret Merry's mother was a Vanner?
Does anyone have Henry & Ursula Vanner's wills? I have found extracts only
I checked the marriage index for East Kent,
which is available on Findmypast.
There is no entry for Christopher Merry's marriage,
and no marriage record for Richard Baker and Margaret Merry.
The index for East Kent wills shows that the surname
Merry is very rare in the region. So they may have moved in
from somewhere else.
Most of the wills for eastern Kent are available on Familysearch.org.
However, you need to have a family search account, and you need
to be at one of the centers to look at those records.
If the father of Richard Baker, father of Joyce Baker, wife of Nicholas Butler, was Thomas Baker of Whittingham Hall, Suffolk, and Leyton, Essex, then -- unless I'm mistaken -- Joyce descends from Edward I, King of England, and Eleanor of Castile, as follows:
Edward I, King of England = Eleanor of Castile
Joan of Acre = Gilbert de Clare, 3rd Earl of Gloucester
Eleanor de Clare = Hugh le Despenser, Baron le Despenser
Isabel le Despenser = Richard FitzAlan, 10th Earl of Arundel
Edmund FitzAlan of Arundel = Sibyl de Montagu
Philippa FitzAlan = Sir Richard Cergeaux of Colquite
Elizabeth Cergeaux = Sir William de Marney
Anne Marney = Sir Thomas Tyrrell of Heron in East Horndon
Sir William Tyrrell = Eleanor Darcy
Sir Thomas Tyrrell of East Horndon = Beatrix Cokayne
Sir Thomas Tyrrell of Heron = Constance Blount
John Tyrrell of Heron, Esquire = Anne Browne
Katherine Tyrrell = Richard Baker of Sissinghurst, Kent
Thomas Baker of Whittingham Hall, Suffolk, and Leyton, Essex = Griselda Barnes
Richard Baker = Margaret Merry
Joyce Baker = Nicholas Butler