Post by Denis Beauregard Post by Girl57 Post by wjhonson
I reviewed the entry in the Drouin Collection and realize when I blow it up very large that it says he was buried "soisante et dix ans"
You are free to review it yourself on Ancestry where they have the actual photo image.
I do not see any marriage record nor contract.
Who was the notary?
All, Look forward to hearing from Denis about Mathieu marriage contract naming his parents.
 AMIOT de et dit VILLENEUVE, Mathieu (Philippe AMIOT ou HAMEAU &
Anne COUVENT ), captain of militia (capitaine de milice), born
about 1629 (conf. 1659) (census 1666), 1627 (census 1667) or 1628
(census 1681) Soissons (diocèse) (Aisne : 02722), buried 1688-12-19
* married 1650-11-22 Québec, marriage contract 1650-11-19 (depositary
MIVILLE, Marie (Pierre MIVILLE dit LE SUISSE & Charlotte MAUGIS ),
baptized 1632-12-13 Brouage com Hiers-Brouage (Notre-Dame)
(Charente-Maritime : 17189), dead 1702-09-05, buried Québec
Post by Girl57
Re: other possible glitch, would like to hear more about "alleged"/in doubt connection in the line. Is it the uncertainty that Francois de Joyeuse was the son of Robert de Joyeuse and Marguerite de Barbancon? Paulorica mentioned that there's enough evidence, even though Francois doesn't appear in his parents' will/wills...because
he was disinherited after marrying a woman of lower social status (was this Nicole de Beauvais)? Paulorica, would like to know where these details can be found.
One suggested that one son could be from another wife even if no other
wife is named or even suggested by records. Perhaps the same case. In
my own opinion, we have to go with known records. If there is no
glitch (like a chronological impossibility), then there is no reason
to reject something.
Post by Girl57
Wouldn't authors Gagne and Kokanosky [in article linked to below] probably have considered this known issue, cited it, and supported existing evidence, or offer new? I don't read nearly enough French to glean relevant details from article (if someone here does...LOL). Also interesting to note that authors have said (can't remember
where I read it) that findings of noble connections of Anne Couvent were incidental to their project...The intent was primarily to illuminate French roots of our French Canadian ancestors (i.e., they weren't reaching to try to prove a royal connection).
Yves told me, years ago, that he was searching all his own
ancestors in Europe. So, he tries to develop as far as he can
all the data he found in French archives, and is happy when he
finds more unexpected results. On my side, I am more generalist
so I may check all families but at this time, I focus on DNA and
not on finding more European data. That said, I found more about
my own Anthiaume in Paris but am not a good enough paleographer
to read all these records. I think it may be possible to find one
more generation and identify the grand-parents of Marguerite
Anthiaume, the wife of André Jarret de Beauregard and I already
have new uncles/aunts.
Denis Beauregard - généalogiste émérite (FQSG)
Les Français d'Amérique du Nord - http://www.francogene.com/gfan/gfan/998/
French in North America before 1722 - http://www.francogene.com/gfna/gfna/998/
Sur cédérom/DVD/USB à 1790 - On CD-ROM/DVD/USB to 1790
Denis, Thanks for the good information and insight. Re: "One suggested that one son could be from another wife even if no other
wife is named or even suggested by records...," am wondering whether Anne Couvent was just a very young mother...If she was born abt 1604, as records indicate, and Mathieu b. 1618 (in glitch scenario)...she would have been about 14 years old at his birth? This is not impossible, correct? I have found among my other French Canadian ancestors (not sure about more remote French ancestors) that girls were sometimes married even younger than that. And starting so young can sometimes account for the large number of children born before the mother's menopause)?
I also love finding unexpected results and am happy to keep digging through records...am specialist type...it's a joy. Isn't is great finding new cousins, aunts, and uncles? But also just learning about DNA and head is spinning...Wow. Impressed with your work on that. Thanks again for all insight, and hope to "hang on" to this line...One can't sneeze at Eleanor of Aquitaine...Jinny