2018-10-13 22:43:41 UTC
George Sutton immigrated to Plymouth Colony, and then went south to New Jersey and eventually North Carolina. His parentage has been a subject of dispute and shaky supposition. Below is what the ancestors say about his ancestry.
According to the ancestors, George Sutton's great-great-grandson Zebulon Sutton descends, through each of his parents, from both the Hilton and Lumley families, back to King Edward IV. One of these descents goes through Rebecca Hilton, wife of Thomas Roberts, an immigrant governor of New Hampshire. Of course this lineage would apply to her brothers William and Edward, also very early New Hampshire immigrants.
Instructions for how to communicate respectfully with deceased ancestors are here: https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/535187/communicating-with-ancestors
Here is a partial ahnentafel showing the Sutton and Hilton/Lumley lineages of Zebulon Sutton:
1. Zebulon Sutton (b. 1707 New Jersey) His 5-generation chart, with (according to the ancestors) the wrong paternal grandparents, the CORRECT paternal great-grandparents, but the wrong paternal great-great-grandparents, is here: https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Sutton-Family-Tree-2753
Per his grandson Zebulon Doty: “Zebulon Sutton had a way of always getting what he wanted.” In Zebulon Sutton’s own words: “Zebulon Sutton wanted to make a good family. Zebulon wanted his community to be in a way that was proper.”
“Zebulon wanted to know how to use the gift. Zebulon understood that both of his parents understood. Zebulon had to experiment. Zebulon found, if he was careful, he could use the gift without seeing bad things.”
Zebulon Sutton’s grandson Zebulon Doty: “Zebulon Doty knew of the gift. Zebulon had the gift. Zebulon was discouraged from using it. Zebulon failed. Zebulon didn’t use the gift. Zebulon didn’t have a successful life. Zebulon had to wonder if he didn’t actually fail, if his life actually meant something that was unknown.”
2. Daniel Sutton (d. 1764)
“Daniel Sutton wanted to be an important man. Daniel knew that he had important ancestors. Daniel didn’t think that this was a help. Daniel was in a new community. Daniel had to prove himself. Daniel was able to do well enough. Daniel never became an important man.”
3. Patience Martin (m. 1704 Piscataway, New Jersey)
“Patience understood that her husband didn’t want to use his gift. Patience understood, because of this, that her husband gave up the opportunity to become a leader. Patience didn’t want her husband to become a leader. Patience discouraged her husband from using his gift. Patience also tried to not use her gift.”
4. Daniel (NOT William) Sutton (1639-1710), settled in New Jersey.
“Daniel Sutton had a gift. Daniel Sutton didn’t use it.”
5. Mary Hatherly (b. c. 1638)
“Mary was not a long-lived person. Mary had children and died.”
6. John Martin (1650-1704) of Piscataway, New Jersey.
“John Martin knew, because of what had come down, that John Martin had a gift. John Martin understood, because of what had come down, that John Martin was different. John Martin understood, because of the way that he used his gift, he would be safe.”
7. Dorothy (d. 1698), daughter of Richard Smith of Long Island.
“Dorothy had a gift. Dorothy understood that her husband would never be the way she wanted. Dorothy also understood that her gift was not to be used for herself. Dorothy didn’t use the gift correctly. Dorothy tried to get things. And this brought things that Dorothy didn’t want.”
8. George Sutton (d. 1669), immigrant to Scituate in Plymouth Colony, as a servant to his eventual wife’s father Nathaniel Tilden #18.
“George Sutton had the gift. George Sutton used it. George Sutton saw something. George Sutton did what was seen. George Sutton didn’t question. George Sutton acted like a disrespectful man. George Sutton understood that the penalty would be banishment.”
9. Sarah Tilden (1612-1676).
“Sarah was the wife of a man who stole a Bible. The Bible was the book in the meeting house. Sarah knew that her husband did this because of what he saw. Sarah had no idea why that was the case. Sarah understood, if her husband didn’t see the vision, he wouldn’t do what he saw. Sarah knew that his gift was something that should be obeyed.”
10. Timothy Hatherly (1588-1666), merchant adventurer and one of the Assistants to the Governor of Plymouth Colony.
“Timothy Hatherly was able to live a godly life. Timothy understood, because of his role among the merchants, that New Plymouth would not suffer under the worst that was proposed. Timothy was able to make the other merchant adventurers think of the well-being of the colonists.”
11. 2nd wife Susan
“Susan was a godly woman. Susan was from an important family.”
12. John Martin (1618/19-1687), one of the four grantees of Piscataway, New Jersey.
“John Martin knew that his wife was above him. John Martin did not have any problem.”
13. Esther Roberts (c. 1626-1687).
“Esther understood how a woman of a higher station could act to undermine her husband. Esther learned.”
16. Nicholas Sutton. (See note for his father.)
“Nicholas Sutton was taught by his father. Nicholas was very careful. Nicholas never used the sight for himself. Nicholas used it for others. Nicholas was not successful. Nicholas had many friends.”
17. Katherine, daughter of Lionel Skipwith.
“Katherine understand that her descendant who is recording her words wants people to be aware of the ability to communicate with ancestors.”
18. Nathaniel Tilden (1583-1641), from a landed family with a long lineage in Kent.
“Nathaniel Tilden wanted to be the progenitor of a large family. Nathaniel was able to establish himself.”
19. Lydia Hucksteppe (1587-1672), also from a landed family in Kent; as a widow she married Timothy Hatherly #10.
“Lydia understood that her second husband was below her first. Lydia had no opinion about that.”
20. Robert Hatherly, died when son Timothy was very young.
“Robert Hatherly was the son of a merchant. Robert was a very successful merchant. Robert married and died.”
21. Elinor Lumley, remarried a Mortimer; 1637 will in Fremington, Devon.
“Elinor was able to marry a successful man. Then Elinor married a man of her position.”
26. Thomas Roberts (c. 1600-1674), Governor of New Hampshire.
“Thomas Roberts understood that his wife was above him. Thomas Roberts was not the man in charge.”
27. Rebecca Hilton, sister of William Hilton, who was the founder of the earliest settlement in New Hampshire.
32. Hamon Sutton (husband of Margaret Sheffield).
“Hamon Sutton was unable to be a man. Hamon was crippled. Hamon should have died. Hamon was the son of a man who had second sight. Hamon was to be killed. Hamon understood. Hamon had no value.
“Hamon was preserved. Hamon understood. Hamon his father sacrificed. Hamon had no father.
“Hamon did not have a good life. Hamon was crippled. Hamon had little. Hamon had the ability to foresee. Hamon used this ability very carefully. Hamon knew, because of this, that he was never suspected. Hamon was able to live well enough.”
The father of Hamon Sutton (husband of Margaret Shefield) was Hamon Sutton, husband of Margaret Tyndale:
“Hamon Sutton had the sight. Hamon Sutton wasn’t allowed to continue. Hamon was able to continue without being allowed to live. Hamon wasn’t able to teach his son. Hamon knew that, without being taught, a man with the sight gets blinded.”
The Lancashire pedigree (incorrectly, per the ancestors) shows that Nicholas Sutton, father of George and husband of Katherine Skipwith, was son of Hamon Sutton, who was a son of Hamon Sutton, who was son of yet another Hamon Sutton who married Margaret Sheffield. See https://books.google.com/books?id=IPcMAAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA939&ots=KcUEKR4GSj&dq=Sutton%20Wellingore%2C%20Lincs&pg=PA938#v=onepage&q&f=false – scroll down to page 940. According to the ancestors, this is wrong; they say it was deliberately altered. They say that Nicholas was son of a different Hamon Sutton, first cousin of Nicholas’s misrepresented father Hamon; this Hamon was the son of Nicholas, younger son of Hamon Sutton who married Margaret Sheffield. These two brothers were the younger brothers of Robert Sutton who, according to the Lincolnshire pedigree, was the ancestor of Ambrose/Robert Sutton, the often-mistaken father of George Sutton the immigrant to Plymouth Colony.
A wikitree five-generation ancestry chart for this Robert Sutton (brother of Hamon and Nicholas) is here: https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Sutton-Family-Tree-3575 This chart shows both the Sutton ancestry (linking to the ancient Vavasour family), and the Sheffield ancestry. According to the ancestors, the relationships are accurate, with one clear error: Isabella Senlis (St. Elizabeth) was the MOTHER, not the wife, of Robert Sheffield. This Senlis line goes back to Simon I de Senlis, son-in-law of Waltheof, who was progenitor of the Scottish kings starting with Malcolm III (who was not son of King Duncan). Senlis descends in the male line from Charlemagne; see https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/7Cmry5NwSPk
The mother of Hamon Sutton, husband of Margaret Sheffield (not shown in the Lincolnshire pedigree or the wikitree chart) was Margaret, daughter of William Tyndale, whose ancestry goes back to the Felbrigg family, whose progenitor Simon le Bigod was a natural son of Hugh le Bigod, 5th Earl of Norfolk and Magna Carta surety baron. An ancestry chart for William Tyndale is here: https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Tyndale-Family-Tree-3 Bigod descends in the male line from Hrolf, the progenitor of the Dukes of Normandy; see https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/Sks1VmsBfT0
42. John, 6th Baron Lumley (d. 1609), a noted collector of books and art. His Wikipedia page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lumley,_1st_Baron_Lumley
"Lumley was able to learn the truth about his ancestry by talking to his ancestors. Lumley did not receive from his imagined father the truth. Lumley has to explain. Lumley was the son of a man who was descended from Lumley. Lumley never knew his father. Lumley was told that he was born just after the death of his father. Lumley knew, when he was young, that he did not have a father. Lumley heard from his mother that his father was innocent. Lumley never doubted her word.
"Lumley was aware that his father was accused and convicted of treason. Lumley was aware that his family had royal blood. Lumley was aware that his family had royal blood from a king more recent than that of most of the peers. Lumley understood that there was an attempt to exterminate Lumley. Lumley, for this reason, pretended, after learning the identity of his father, that he knew nothing.
"Lumley was the son of a man whose mother had a sister who was able to protect her. This sister was married to a nobleman. Lumley understood that his mother, at the home of her sister, was able to plan with her kin. The plan meant that she would bear a son. This meant that she might have daughters. This did not happen. She bore a single son. The father was a man whose mother was Lumley."
43. Jane FitzAlan (d. 1577/8), known as a Greek scholar. She had three children who predeceased her; some researchers have assumed that she ONLY had three children. Her ancestry chart is here: https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/FitzAlan-Family-Tree-654
54. Henry Hilton (aft. 1583-c. 1641), de jure 12th Baron Hylton.
“Henry Hilton made a decision. Henry knew that he was unable to preserve what had been given him. Henry understood that his family was a target. Henry understood, because of his past, that there was awareness that his family had the second sight. Henry understood, if he was to preserve his lineage, that he would have to sacrifice. Henry understood, if he was to sacrifice, he would have to undermine the well-being of his children. This is what Henry did.”
55. Mary, daughter of Sir Robert Wrotley, by his wife Mary, who was not a Swift, but she was a daughter of Robert Swyft of Rotherham. (Robert Swyft is on wikitree at https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Swift-Family-Tree-469 , but not connected to Hilton.) Sir Robert Wrotley's ancestor Elizabeth (Dacre) Harrington was daughter not of Thomas Harrington (as currently shown on wikitree) but of his first cousin Hugh, son of Hugh, the second son of Hugh, 4th Baron Dacre.
Hugh's ancestor Catherine, wife of William, Baron Dacre, was not the daughter but the step-daughter of Ralph Neville, who was the second husband of Catherine’s mother Alice Audley. Catherine’s actual father and Alice’s first husband was Ralph Greystoke, whose mother was a Neville.
84. William Hilton (bef. 1512-abt. 1562), de jure Baron Hylton. He was the father of #42 John, 6th Baron Lumley, and of #216 Thomas Hilton.
“William Hilton was the father of the next Baron Lumley. William was the brother of a man who was murdered. William understood that his brother was murdered because he let slip that he had the second sight. William never gave any hint of his ability. William saw that his son Lumley would preserve the sight. William saw that his son Hilton would abandon the barony, and preserve the sight.”
85. Jane Knightley (widow of George Lumley). Per Jane: Her marriage to her second husband protected her pregnancy; he never had a son.
Jane Knightley’s mother was a daughter of John Spencer, ancestor of Princess Diana (Spencer). The Knightleys descend from Burgh of Ireland; see http://nolanfamilies.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/1228-1316-de-Burghs-take-over-Connaught.pdf . Jane Knightley’s ancestry is here: https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Knightley-Family-Tree-154
86. Henry FitzAlan (1512-1580), 19th Earl of Arundel. His father’s mother was the younger sister of Queen Elizabeth Woodville (who was his wife’s great-grandmother). According to the ancestors, Earl Henry’s mother was NOT his father’s second wife Anne Percy (as currently shown on wikitree), but rather his father’s first wife Elizabeth Willoughby, whose ancestry chart is at https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Willoughby-Family-Tree-230
Henry FitzAlan was the godson of King Henry VIII at his baptism in 1512, which was delayed for two years until his father remarried, because a correct court baptism ceremony required a mother. (And perhaps here is a cautionary tale for those who would use the date of a baptism to decide which wife was the mother of a child.) He served for four years as Lord Chamberlain (the senior official of the royal household) during the reign of Edward VI, following in the footsteps of his father, who served for four years as Lord Chamberlain during the reign of King Henry VIII. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Chamberlain
87. Catherine Grey was the aunt of Lady Jane Gray, who was proclaimed Queen of England before eventually being beheaded; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Jane_Grey .
Catherine Grey was granddaughter of infant heiress Cecily Bonville (who became the richest heiress in England after her father, grandfather and great-grandfather were beheaded in 1460-1; Cecily was a descendant of King Edward III). Catherine Grey’s ancestry chart is at https://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Grey-Family-Tree-387
108. Thomas Hilton (c. 1560-1590), son of #216 and grandson of #84; his father outlived him.
109. Anne, daughter of George Bowes of Streatlam Castle, a northern military commander who stayed loyal to Queen Elizabeth during the 1569 Rebellion of the Northern Earls; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Bowes_(soldier). George Bowes was a brother-in-law of the Scottish theologian John Knox, a leader of the Protestant Reformation in Scotland, who earlier served in England as the chaplain for King Edward VI. Knox’s Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Knox
168. William Hilton (c. 1488-aft. 1526). His son’s ancestry chart is here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hilton-193
“William Hilton was unable to preserve his inheritance. William lost his father his land.”
169. Sybil Lumley. Her son’s ancestry chart is here: https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Hilton-193
“Sybil was the daughter of an important man. Sybil understood, after her marriage, that Sybil would have to accept a much lesser position.”
216. William Hilton (bef. 1540-1600), de jure Baron Hylton; father of #108 Thomas Hilton; half brother of #42 John, 6th Baron Lumley; and son of #84 William Hilton (and grandson of #168 William Hilton). Yes, the father of someone listed in the eighth generation is found in the seventh generation.
217. Anne, daughter of John York, Master of the Mint under King Edward VI – see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_York_(Master_of_the_Mint)
338. Thomas Lumley.
“Thomas Lumley preserved his inheritance during a time of trial.”
339. Elizabeth, natural daughter of King Edward IV. This lineage is mentioned in this earlier thread, almost at the end (post of Sept. 19) https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/9bku-Pq9VEg%5B151-175%5D