2019-09-15 03:59:47 UTC
Excuse me if this particular possibility has been discussed before.
I have been researching the ancestry of William Marshal, 4th Earl of Pembroke, and found an interesting possibility as to the relationship between the William II de Tancarville and William Marshal, and between the Marshal and the Giffards of Longueville. From the History of William Marshal we know that William was sent in his youth by his father John to live with William II de Tancarville, and that he was their 1st cousin. I don’t believe that the relationship was through Wiliam’s mother Sybil de Salisbury, but through John.
“The Marshal decided
that he would send William
to Tancarville in Normandy,
to be with the Chamberlain, who had never brought shame
upon his family line at any time;
Indeed, he set great store by it and kept its reputation high.
He was their first cousin.”
(Lines 743-749 from The History of William Marshal)
It appears that William I Tancarville (grandfather of William II Tancarville) married Mathilde d’Arques, whose parents were William d’Arques (Giffard), vicomte d’Arques and Beatrix Malet. He was the son of Geoffroi (Godefroi) Giffard and _____ de Rouen dit d’Arques (daughter of Gosselin de Rouen, vicomte d’Arques). Geoffroi (Godefroi) Giffard was the brother of Walter I Giffard, Lord of Longueville and Earl of Buckingham (Geoffroi and Walter sons of Osbern de Bolbec). Further, Geoffroi (Godefroi) Giffard had at least one other son named Giselbert (Gilbert), and possibly another Osbern d’Arques (who had a son named Giselbert d’Arques that was Bishop of Evreux).
"Guillelmus et Gislebertus filii Godefredi Archarum vicecomitis" donated land in Montvilla to Sainte-Trinité de Rouen dated 1059 (Rouen Sainte-Trinité, XXV, p. 433.)
We know that William Marshal’s grandfather was named Gilbert Giffard, but it has been assumed that there is likely no connection between the Marshal’s grandfather Gilbert and the Giffard family related to Walter Giffard, Lord of Longueville and Earl of Buckingham, and that the surname was likely just in relation to the nickname 'chubby cheeks'. Perhaps there is some sort of a connection between Giselbert (Gilbert) the son of Geoffroi Giffard (brother of Walter I Giffard) --or someone else in the Geoffroi Giffard and ___ de Rouen dit d’Arques family group-- and the Marshal’s grandfather Gilbert Giffard. Chronologically, a father son relationship is plausible. Obviously at this point there is no concrete evidence linking Gilbert Giffard ‘the Marshal’ to Gilbert (Giselbert) Giffard (d’Arques), his siblings or the Giffards of Longueville-sur-Scie, but I thought it was worth bringing forth for discussion and as a possible avenue for further research.
We also know that when William Marshal was given the marriage of Isabel de Clare by King Richard I ‘the Lionheart’ shortly after the death of Henry II, that William rode to secure (on his way to England) Isabel’s holdings in Normandy, one of which was Longueville-sur-Scie, which the Giffards were lords of, and that in dispute (with the Earl of Hertford I believe) of his claim on the Giffard Lordship, that he purchased half, taking Longueville-sur-Scie as his portion. If Longueville-sur-Scie was the place of his patrilineal ancestral origin in Normandy, it would make even more sense that he would go to the length he did to retain his Norman holdings of which it was a part, by paying homage to the French king (which infuriated King John) in order to retain them.
A hypothetical connection between William II de Tancarville and John fitz Gilbert ‘the Marshal’ that would be a 2nd Cousin 1 removed kinship could be:
William II de Tancarville → Rabel de Tancarville → Mathilde d’Arques (wife of William I de Tancarville) → Guillaume d’Arques (Giffard), vicomte d’Arques → Geoffroi (Godefroi) Giffard
John fitz Gilbert ‘the Marshal’ → Gilbert Giffard ‘the Marshal’ → ??? maybe Gilbert (Giselbert) Giffard (d’Arques) or a sibling ??? → Geoffroi (Godefroi) Giffard
As mentioned above, obviously at this point there is no concrete evidence linking Gilbert Giffard ‘the Marshal’ to Gilbert (Giselbert) Giffard (d’Arques), his siblings or the Giffards of Longueville-sur-Scie, but I thought the hypothetical theory was worth discussing and maybe worthy of further research. If anyone can chime in on this it would be greatly appreciated.
Also, if anyone knows of the names of any noted kinsmen of William Marshal that cannot be linked to his family tree at this point I would welcome them.