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Edward Spencer of Rendlesham (d1728)
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Will Johnson
2021-08-13 17:40:09 UTC
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I was prompted by a Facebook post where the OP suggest she is the descendant of Edward Spencer, to review what I had

I note confusion as to the names and number of Edward's heiresses

http://books.google.com/books?id=FewhBHS5u4MC&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
Notes and Queries citing Davy's Suffolk Collections Add MSS 19097 p272
calling Anne, their "only daughter and now living"

http://books.google.com/books?id=kPcRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
The Gentleman's Magazine, in an 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford
"Elizabeth his wife, the sole daughter and heiress of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham... and the relict of James the fifth Duke of Hamilton"

I found the will of this Edward PROB 11/615/135
in which he clearly states that he has two daughters, then living, neither yet 21, named Elizabeth and Anne.
John Higgins
2021-08-13 23:07:41 UTC
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Post by Will Johnson
I was prompted by a Facebook post where the OP suggest she is the descendant of Edward Spencer, to review what I had
I note confusion as to the names and number of Edward's heiresses
http://books.google.com/books?id=FewhBHS5u4MC&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
Notes and Queries citing Davy's Suffolk Collections Add MSS 19097 p272
calling Anne, their "only daughter and now living"
http://books.google.com/books?id=kPcRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
The Gentleman's Magazine, in an 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford
"Elizabeth his wife, the sole daughter and heiress of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham... and the relict of James the fifth Duke of Hamilton"
I found the will of this Edward PROB 11/615/135
in which he clearly states that he has two daughters, then living, neither yet 21, named Elizabeth and Anne.
CP 5:55 (sub Rochford) says that the mother of the 5th (and last) Earl of Rochford says that his mother was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and widow of the 5th Duke of Hamilton.

CP 5:270 (sub Hamilton) says that the 3rd wife and widow of the 5th Duke of Hamilton was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and that she subsequently married Richard Savage Nassau, father of the 5th Earl of Rochford.

The bio of Richard Savage Nassau (father of the 5th Earl of Rochford) in HOP 1754-1790 says that his wife was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham".

CB 4:133 (sub Dashwood) says that the wife of Sir James Dashwood, 2nd Bt., of Kirtlington was Elizabeth, ""daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and it also notes that she was the sister of "Anne, Duchess of Hamilton".

Finally, check out Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 4:319, which discusses the manor of Rendlesham, which says that Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham (d. 25 March 1728 "leaving two daughters only, Elizabeth and Anne" and that the manor of Rendlesham passed to his daughter Anne, who is stated to have married the two husbands mentioned above.

It seems pretty clear that the 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford is in error in identifying his mother.
Will Johnson
2021-08-17 00:01:45 UTC
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I was prompted by a Facebook post where the OP suggest she is the descendant of Edward Spencer, to review what I had
I note confusion as to the names and number of Edward's heiresses
http://books.google.com/books?id=FewhBHS5u4MC&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
Notes and Queries citing Davy's Suffolk Collections Add MSS 19097 p272
calling Anne, their "only daughter and now living"
http://books.google.com/books?id=kPcRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
The Gentleman's Magazine, in an 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford
"Elizabeth his wife, the sole daughter and heiress of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham... and the relict of James the fifth Duke of Hamilton"
I found the will of this Edward PROB 11/615/135
in which he clearly states that he has two daughters, then living, neither yet 21, named Elizabeth and Anne.
CP 5:55 (sub Rochford) says that the mother of the 5th (and last) Earl of Rochford says that his mother was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and widow of the 5th Duke of Hamilton.
CP 5:270 (sub Hamilton) says that the 3rd wife and widow of the 5th Duke of Hamilton was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and that she subsequently married Richard Savage Nassau, father of the 5th Earl of Rochford.
The bio of Richard Savage Nassau (father of the 5th Earl of Rochford) in HOP 1754-1790 says that his wife was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham".
CB 4:133 (sub Dashwood) says that the wife of Sir James Dashwood, 2nd Bt., of Kirtlington was Elizabeth, ""daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and it also notes that she was the sister of "Anne, Duchess of Hamilton".
Finally, check out Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 4:319, which discusses the manor of Rendlesham, which says that Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham (d. 25 March 1728 "leaving two daughters only, Elizabeth and Anne" and that the manor of Rendlesham passed to his daughter Anne, who is stated to have married the two husbands mentioned above.
It seems pretty clear that the 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford is in error in identifying his mother.
Here is another source which calls the wife of James Duke of Hamilton "Elizabeth" not Anne

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Peerage_of_Ireland/H0sTAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=anne%20hamilton%20chichester%201780&pg=PA341&printsec=frontcover&bsq=anne%20hamilton%20chichester%201780
John Higgins
2021-08-18 03:40:49 UTC
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I was prompted by a Facebook post where the OP suggest she is the descendant of Edward Spencer, to review what I had
I note confusion as to the names and number of Edward's heiresses
http://books.google.com/books?id=FewhBHS5u4MC&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
Notes and Queries citing Davy's Suffolk Collections Add MSS 19097 p272
calling Anne, their "only daughter and now living"
http://books.google.com/books?id=kPcRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA273&dq=spencer+of+rendlesham
The Gentleman's Magazine, in an 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford
"Elizabeth his wife, the sole daughter and heiress of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham... and the relict of James the fifth Duke of Hamilton"
I found the will of this Edward PROB 11/615/135
in which he clearly states that he has two daughters, then living, neither yet 21, named Elizabeth and Anne.
CP 5:55 (sub Rochford) says that the mother of the 5th (and last) Earl of Rochford says that his mother was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and widow of the 5th Duke of Hamilton.
CP 5:270 (sub Hamilton) says that the 3rd wife and widow of the 5th Duke of Hamilton was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and that she subsequently married Richard Savage Nassau, father of the 5th Earl of Rochford.
The bio of Richard Savage Nassau (father of the 5th Earl of Rochford) in HOP 1754-1790 says that his wife was Anne [not Elizabeth], "daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham".
CB 4:133 (sub Dashwood) says that the wife of Sir James Dashwood, 2nd Bt., of Kirtlington was Elizabeth, ""daughter and co-heir of Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham" and it also notes that she was the sister of "Anne, Duchess of Hamilton".
Finally, check out Copinger, Manors of Suffolk 4:319, which discusses the manor of Rendlesham, which says that Thomas Spencer of Rendlesham (d. 25 March 1728 "leaving two daughters only, Elizabeth and Anne" and that the manor of Rendlesham passed to his daughter Anne, who is stated to have married the two husbands mentioned above.
It seems pretty clear that the 1830 obit of the Earl of Rochford is in error in identifying his mother.
Correction: The first line above should say" CP 11:55 (sub Rochford)", not "CP 5:55 (sub Rochford)".

But apparently you didn't check the cited source anyway, as you certainly would have noted the error....
Will Johnson
2021-08-18 18:44:54 UTC
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Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.
John Higgins
2021-08-18 22:26:54 UTC
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Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.
Good luck in your search for primary sources to answer your question. Of course you do have one primary source stating that
Edward Spencer had two daughters, Elizabeth and Anne. So your search is for primary sources regarding their marriages - which narrows the search down.

In the absence of primary sources, you may want to consider the relative reliability of the secondary sources that have been cited.
JBrand
2021-08-19 00:32:00 UTC
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Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.
This gives her name as "Grace Anne" ...

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Gentleman_s_Magazine_Library_Staffordshi/eKEMAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=duke+of+hamilton+rendlesham&pg=PA278&printsec=frontcover
JBrand
2021-08-19 00:36:54 UTC
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Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.
Elizabeth Spencer, of Rendlesham, the other sister, married Sir James Dashwood in Feb. 1739.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_baronetage_of_England_revised_correc/mvIDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+dashwood+rendlesham&pg=PA154&printsec=frontcover
JBrand
2021-08-19 01:39:53 UTC
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Post by Will Johnson
Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.
Elizabeth Spencer, of Rendlesham, the other sister, married Sir James Dashwood in Feb. 1739.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_baronetage_of_England_revised_correc/mvIDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+dashwood+rendlesham&pg=PA154&printsec=frontcover
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Publications_of_the_Harleian_Society/Qi4EAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22james+dashwood%22+spencer&pg=PA13&printsec=frontcover
Gawin
2021-08-19 03:31:08 UTC
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As Will Johnson stated in his first message, Anne and Elizabeth were the daughters of Edward Spencer of Rendlesham (PROB 11/615/135 ). See these abstracts from the National Archives:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/76f98db2-a2a8-427e-810a-78ae824264ed

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10509919

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Anne, the elder daughter, married the Duke of Hamilton:
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10497192

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Elizabeth, the younger daughter, married Sir James Dashwood. See The Derby Mercury, 22 Feb 1738, p. 4, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com:
"On Saturday Morning last Sir James Dashwood, of Northbroke in Oxfordshire, Bart. was marryed at St. George’s Chapel, Hyde-Park-Corner, to Miss Elizabeth Spencer, Daughter of the Lady Barker, of Suffolk, by her first Husband, - Spencer of Red-Lion-Square, Esq; and Sister to Her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, a very agreeable young lady of 70,000 l. Fortune."

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Lady Barker, widow of Edward Spencer and mother of Anne and Elizabeth died in 1754. See The Derby Mercury, 29 Nov 1754, p. 2, col. 4, digital image in Newspapers.com:
"On Tuesday Night died, at Sproughton in Suffolk, (the Seat of Sir John Barker, Bart.) the Dowager Lady Barker, Relict of the late Sir William Barker, and Mother to her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, and to the Lady of Sir James Dashwood, Bart."

Anne Barker was buried 2 December 1754 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, according to a transcription of the National Burial Index available in Findmypast.

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Anne Duchess of Hamilton married (2) Hon Richard Savage Nassau
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/51d9da1f-4fce-4012-b863-fb7742137ebc

and The Newcastle Courant, December 28, 1751, p. 1, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com
"On Monday last was married, at her Seat in Suffolk, by the Rev. Dr. Newton, Rector of Bow, and Lecturer of St. George Hanover-square, her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, to the Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, Esq., Brother to the Right Hon. the Earl of Rochfort, and Member of Parliament for Colchester."

She died 9 March 1771. See The Ipswich Journal, 16 March 1771, p. 2, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com:
"On Saturday died her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton. Her Grace was relict and third wife of the Duke of Hamilton, grandfather of the present Duke. She was one of the daughters and coheiresses of – Spencer, Esq; near Ipswich, in Suffolk, and after his Grace’s death married the Right Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, brother to Lord Rochford, by whom she had two sons and a daughter.
By the death of the late Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, a jointure of 2,000l. per annum descends to her eldest son, Lord Archibald Hamilton."

Ann Nassau was buried 17 March 1771 at All Saints, Easton, Suffolk per a transcription of the National Burial Index in Findmypast.

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The National Burial Index states Elizabeth Dashwood was buried 28 April 1798 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, aged 80 years. Her will identifies her as the widow of Sir James Dashwood of Kirtlington Park, Oxford (dated 20 Dec 1796, proved 26 Apr 1798, PROB 11/1305/218, digital image in Ancestry).
Johnny Brananas
2021-08-19 13:57:37 UTC
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https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/76f98db2-a2a8-427e-810a-78ae824264ed
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10509919
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https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10497192
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"On Saturday Morning last Sir James Dashwood, of Northbroke in Oxfordshire, Bart. was marryed at St. George’s Chapel, Hyde-Park-Corner, to Miss Elizabeth Spencer, Daughter of the Lady Barker, of Suffolk, by her first Husband, - Spencer of Red-Lion-Square, Esq; and Sister to Her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, a very agreeable young lady of 70,000 l. Fortune."
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"On Tuesday Night died, at Sproughton in Suffolk, (the Seat of Sir John Barker, Bart.) the Dowager Lady Barker, Relict of the late Sir William Barker, and Mother to her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, and to the Lady of Sir James Dashwood, Bart."
Anne Barker was buried 2 December 1754 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, according to a transcription of the National Burial Index available in Findmypast.
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Anne Duchess of Hamilton married (2) Hon Richard Savage Nassau
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/51d9da1f-4fce-4012-b863-fb7742137ebc
and The Newcastle Courant, December 28, 1751, p. 1, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com
"On Monday last was married, at her Seat in Suffolk, by the Rev. Dr. Newton, Rector of Bow, and Lecturer of St. George Hanover-square, her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, to the Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, Esq., Brother to the Right Hon. the Earl of Rochfort, and Member of Parliament for Colchester."
"On Saturday died her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton. Her Grace was relict and third wife of the Duke of Hamilton, grandfather of the present Duke. She was one of the daughters and coheiresses of – Spencer, Esq; near Ipswich, in Suffolk, and after his Grace’s death married the Right Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, brother to Lord Rochford, by whom she had two sons and a daughter.
By the death of the late Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, a jointure of 2,000l. per annum descends to her eldest son, Lord Archibald Hamilton."
Ann Nassau was buried 17 March 1771 at All Saints, Easton, Suffolk per a transcription of the National Burial Index in Findmypast.
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The National Burial Index states Elizabeth Dashwood was buried 28 April 1798 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, aged 80 years. Her will identifies her as the widow of Sir James Dashwood of Kirtlington Park, Oxford (dated 20 Dec 1796, proved 26 Apr 1798, PROB 11/1305/218, digital image in Ancestry).
"The following entry is given in Davy's Suffolk Collections (Add. MSS. 19,097, p. 272.): 'Edward Spencer, son of John Spencer, Esq., ob. 1718. Edward, now living at Naunton Hall, is a barrister-at-law. He married Anne, the only daughter of William Baker of Layham, clerk, by whom he had issue Henry Spencer, who died an infant, and Anne Spencer, their only daughter, and now living.' ..."

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Notes_and_Queries_A_Medium_of_Inter_Comm/40io5RUgzzAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22layham+clerk+by+whom%22&pg=PA273&printsec=frontcover

I guess the note was made before the birth of the second daughter Elizabeth.
John Higgins
2021-08-19 17:52:56 UTC
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https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/76f98db2-a2a8-427e-810a-78ae824264ed
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10509919
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https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10497192
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"On Saturday Morning last Sir James Dashwood, of Northbroke in Oxfordshire, Bart. was marryed at St. George’s Chapel, Hyde-Park-Corner, to Miss Elizabeth Spencer, Daughter of the Lady Barker, of Suffolk, by her first Husband, - Spencer of Red-Lion-Square, Esq; and Sister to Her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, a very agreeable young lady of 70,000 l. Fortune."
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"On Tuesday Night died, at Sproughton in Suffolk, (the Seat of Sir John Barker, Bart.) the Dowager Lady Barker, Relict of the late Sir William Barker, and Mother to her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, and to the Lady of Sir James Dashwood, Bart."
Anne Barker was buried 2 December 1754 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, according to a transcription of the National Burial Index available in Findmypast.
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Anne Duchess of Hamilton married (2) Hon Richard Savage Nassau
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/51d9da1f-4fce-4012-b863-fb7742137ebc
and The Newcastle Courant, December 28, 1751, p. 1, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com
"On Monday last was married, at her Seat in Suffolk, by the Rev. Dr. Newton, Rector of Bow, and Lecturer of St. George Hanover-square, her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, to the Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, Esq., Brother to the Right Hon. the Earl of Rochfort, and Member of Parliament for Colchester."
"On Saturday died her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton. Her Grace was relict and third wife of the Duke of Hamilton, grandfather of the present Duke. She was one of the daughters and coheiresses of – Spencer, Esq; near Ipswich, in Suffolk, and after his Grace’s death married the Right Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, brother to Lord Rochford, by whom she had two sons and a daughter.
By the death of the late Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, a jointure of 2,000l. per annum descends to her eldest son, Lord Archibald Hamilton."
Ann Nassau was buried 17 March 1771 at All Saints, Easton, Suffolk per a transcription of the National Burial Index in Findmypast.
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The National Burial Index states Elizabeth Dashwood was buried 28 April 1798 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, aged 80 years. Her will identifies her as the widow of Sir James Dashwood of Kirtlington Park, Oxford (dated 20 Dec 1796, proved 26 Apr 1798, PROB 11/1305/218, digital image in Ancestry).
"The following entry is given in Davy's Suffolk Collections (Add. MSS. 19,097, p. 272.): 'Edward Spencer, son of John Spencer, Esq., ob. 1718. Edward, now living at Naunton Hall, is a barrister-at-law. He married Anne, the only daughter of William Baker of Layham, clerk, by whom he had issue Henry Spencer, who died an infant, and Anne Spencer, their only daughter, and now living.' ..."
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Notes_and_Queries_A_Medium_of_Inter_Comm/40io5RUgzzAC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22layham+clerk+by+whom%22&pg=PA273&printsec=frontcover
I guess the note was made before the birth of the second daughter Elizabeth.
A number of these sources, as well as others, have been mentioned before in this thread. Will has said that he is now trying "to track down any primary sources which might exist". I think the sources above, whether primary or secondary, establish the facts pretty clearly.
Will Johnson
2021-08-19 22:38:13 UTC
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https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/76f98db2-a2a8-427e-810a-78ae824264ed
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10509919
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https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C10497192
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"On Saturday Morning last Sir James Dashwood, of Northbroke in Oxfordshire, Bart. was marryed at St. George’s Chapel, Hyde-Park-Corner, to Miss Elizabeth Spencer, Daughter of the Lady Barker, of Suffolk, by her first Husband, - Spencer of Red-Lion-Square, Esq; and Sister to Her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, a very agreeable young lady of 70,000 l. Fortune."
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"On Tuesday Night died, at Sproughton in Suffolk, (the Seat of Sir John Barker, Bart.) the Dowager Lady Barker, Relict of the late Sir William Barker, and Mother to her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, and to the Lady of Sir James Dashwood, Bart."
Anne Barker was buried 2 December 1754 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, according to a transcription of the National Burial Index available in Findmypast.
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Anne Duchess of Hamilton married (2) Hon Richard Savage Nassau
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/51d9da1f-4fce-4012-b863-fb7742137ebc
and The Newcastle Courant, December 28, 1751, p. 1, col. 2, digital image in Newspapers.com
"On Monday last was married, at her Seat in Suffolk, by the Rev. Dr. Newton, Rector of Bow, and Lecturer of St. George Hanover-square, her Grace the Dutchess of Hamilton, to the Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, Esq., Brother to the Right Hon. the Earl of Rochfort, and Member of Parliament for Colchester."
"On Saturday died her Grace the Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton. Her Grace was relict and third wife of the Duke of Hamilton, grandfather of the present Duke. She was one of the daughters and coheiresses of – Spencer, Esq; near Ipswich, in Suffolk, and after his Grace’s death married the Right Hon. Richard Savage Nassau, brother to Lord Rochford, by whom she had two sons and a daughter.
By the death of the late Dutchess Dowager of Hamilton, a jointure of 2,000l. per annum descends to her eldest son, Lord Archibald Hamilton."
Ann Nassau was buried 17 March 1771 at All Saints, Easton, Suffolk per a transcription of the National Burial Index in Findmypast.
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The National Burial Index states Elizabeth Dashwood was buried 28 April 1798 at St. Gregory the Great, Rendlesham, Suffolk, aged 80 years. Her will identifies her as the widow of Sir James Dashwood of Kirtlington Park, Oxford (dated 20 Dec 1796, proved 26 Apr 1798, PROB 11/1305/218, digital image in Ancestry).
Thanks for all this. Great work.
Will Johnson
2021-08-19 22:42:21 UTC
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Anne Baker is called the "only daughter" of William Baker of Layham Suffolk

There was a William Baker who was the rector of Layham, who might fit this bill chronologically
I wonder if this is the same person?

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Alumni_Cantabrigienses/-F6VCFd_VQUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA73
Will Johnson
2021-08-19 23:28:44 UTC
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Anne Baker is called the "only daughter" of William Baker of Layham Suffolk
There was a William Baker who was the rector of Layham, who might fit this bill chronologically
I wonder if this is the same person?
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Alumni_Cantabrigienses/-F6VCFd_VQUC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA73
It looks like Edward Spencer's mother in law was named Susan

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/fcabec5d-796f-44d2-815c-d08d8d1af0de
Will Johnson
2021-08-19 23:45:54 UTC
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William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)


but not an Anne

I suspect she was already born before that year

After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731

Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
Johnny Brananas
2021-08-20 13:35:29 UTC
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William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
Rev. William Baker of Layham was a son of an earlier minister of the same name, Rev. William Baker of Monks Eleigh, Suffolk.

Reference: HA61/436/64
Title: Lease and release by William Baker the elder, clerk, of Monks Eleigh, Suffolk to his son and heir Wm. Baker the younger, clerk, of Layham, Suffolk and wife Susanna, of buildings and land in Bramford called Hulver Hill and Alderfields (90 acres) lately occupied by Edward Freeman, now by Henry Broades.
Date: 19 & 20 April 1693
Held by: Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch, not available at The National Archives
Language: English

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/1c5fb3c0-8be4-4dbe-aadd-4e10a9882b01
Leslie Mahler
2021-08-21 08:14:19 UTC
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Post by Will Johnson
William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
Rev. William Baker of Layham was a son of an earlier minister of the same name, Rev. William Baker of Monks Eleigh, Suffolk.
Reference: HA61/436/64
Title: Lease and release by William Baker the elder, clerk, of Monks Eleigh, Suffolk to his son and heir Wm. Baker the younger, clerk, of Layham, Suffolk and wife Susanna, of buildings and land in Bramford called Hulver Hill and Alderfields (90 acres) lately occupied by Edward Freeman, now by Henry Broades.
Date: 19 & 20 April 1693
Held by: Suffolk Record Office, Ipswich Branch, not available at The National Archives
Language: English
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/1c5fb3c0-8be4-4dbe-aadd-4e10a9882b01
The will of William Baker of Layham, Suffolk, clerk, was dated 23 August 1727. It was proved
19 Oct. 1731 by his daughter Anne, Lady Barker, formerly the wife of Edward Spencer, esq.:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSN6-3GXN?i=247&cat=278818

Leslie
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William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
Sir Nicholas Bacon of Shrubland who mar. Bridget Tollemache has a royal descent from King John via the latter's illegitimate daughter Isabel FitzRoy, wife of Sir Richard Fitz Ives.
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William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
Sir Nicholas Bacon of Shrubland who mar. Bridget Tollemache has a royal descent from King John via the latter's illegitimate daughter Isabel FitzRoy, wife of Sir Richard Fitz Ives.
I don't see that.
I have his grandparents as
Edward Bacon
Helen Littel
Richard Bingham
Sarah Heigham

none of whom have royal descents
Brad Verity
2021-08-21 04:41:42 UTC
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I don't see that.
I have his grandparents as
Edward Bacon
Helen Littel
Richard Bingham
Sarah Heigham
none of whom have royal descents
Sarah (Heigham), Lady Bingham, who married 2nd, as his 2nd wife, Edward Waldegrave of Lawford Hall (c.1560-1621), is descended from Edward I - see my reply to you above.

Edward Waldegrave has an entry in HOP:
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1558-1603/member/waldegrave-edward-1556-1622

Cheers, ---Brad
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William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
Sir Nicholas Bacon of Shrubland who mar. Bridget Tollemache has a royal descent from King John via the latter's illegitimate daughter Isabel FitzRoy, wife of Sir Richard Fitz Ives.
I don't see that.
I have his grandparents as
Edward Bacon
Helen Littel
Richard Bingham
Sarah Heigham
none of whom have royal descents
Sir Richard Bingham, the 1st husband of Sarah Heigham, is the son of Robert Bingham and Alice Coker, both of whom are in Genealogics (although Sir Richard is not). The ancestry of Alice Coker in Genealogics leads back to Sir Richard FitzIves and his wife Isabel FizRoy (via Joan de Longland).

I should perhaps have mentioned that Isabel FitzRoy is sometimes described as the "alleged" illegitimate daughter of King John. My data includes a note on this issue, and the Genealogics entry for Isabel (probably made by Leo van de Pas, based on its date) does not specifically link Isabel to King John but instead includes a remark that "Douglas Richardson alleges she could be an illeg daughter of King John".
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00555891&tree=LEO

OTOH Gary Boyd Roberts, in RD900 and his earlier books, includes descents from Isabel FitzRoy, without indicating any uncertainty about her paternity. I think this has been discussed before in this group. You can draw your own conclusion regarding the paternity of Isabel FitzRoy - and thus whether Sir Richard Bingham does have a royal descent.
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2021-08-21 04:33:54 UTC
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William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
William Baker married Susan Sparrow 10 Nov 1689 St Nicholas Church, Ipswich, Suffolk. Their daughter Anne was likely born the following year, probably in Ipswich, presumably before Rev. William was made rector of Layham.
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After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
Yes. Nick Kingsley has a thorough article on this Barker family on his Landed Families of Britain and Ireland website:
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2019/07/383-barker-of-grimston-hall-chantry.html
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Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
Bridget (Bacon), Lady Barker (1659-1719) has an Edward I descent through her paternal grandmother, Martha (Bingham) Bacon.

Edward I had:
1) Joan of Acre, Countess of Gloucester (1272-1307), who had
2) Elizabeth de Clare, Lady de Burgh (1295-1360), who had
3) Elizabeth Damory, Lady Bardolf (1318-by 1362), who had
4) William, 4th Lord Bardolf (1349-1386), who had
5) Cecily Bardolf, Lady Stapleton (c.1382-1432), who had
6) Sir Miles Stapleton of Ingham (c.1407-1466), who had
7) Elizabeth Stapleton, Lady Calthorpe (1441-1505), who had
8) Anne Calthorpe, Lady Drury (c.1470-by 1531), who had
9) Anne Drury (c.1492-1572) m. George Waldegrave of Smallbridge Hall, and had
10) Anne Waldegrave (1506-1590) m. Sir Clement Heigham of Barrow Hall, and had
11) Sir John Heigham of Barrow Hall (1540-1626), who had
12) Sarah Heigham (c.1566-1634) m. 1) Sir Richard Bingham of Bingham's Melcombe, and had
13) Martha Bingham (c.1592-1626) m. Nicholas Bacon of Shrubland Hall, and had
14) Sir Nicholas Bacon of Shrubland Hall (c.1622-1687) m. Bridget Tollemache (1634-1674, descended from Edward III), and had
15) Bridget Bacon, Lady Barker (1659-1719)
Post by Will Johnson
but Bridget's mother was Bridget /Tollemache/
bap 3 Jul 1634 Fakenham Magna, co Suff (Batch C099651 wj) and she is E3#11 (eleven steps from Edward III)
Yes. She's also descended from Elizabeth Woodville and from Thomas Cromwell.

Cheers, ----Brad
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2021-08-21 13:11:41 UTC
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William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
William Baker married Susan Sparrow 10 Nov 1689 St Nicholas Church, Ipswich, Suffolk. Their daughter Anne was likely born the following year, probably in Ipswich, presumably before Rev. William was made rector of Layham.
Post by Will Johnson
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2019/07/383-barker-of-grimston-hall-chantry.html
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Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
Bridget (Bacon), Lady Barker (1659-1719) has an Edward I descent through her paternal grandmother, Martha (Bingham) Bacon.
1) Joan of Acre, Countess of Gloucester (1272-1307), who had
2) Elizabeth de Clare, Lady de Burgh (1295-1360), who had
3) Elizabeth Damory, Lady Bardolf (1318-by 1362), who had
4) William, 4th Lord Bardolf (1349-1386), who had
5) Cecily Bardolf, Lady Stapleton (c.1382-1432), who had
6) Sir Miles Stapleton of Ingham (c.1407-1466), who had
7) Elizabeth Stapleton, Lady Calthorpe (1441-1505), who had
8) Anne Calthorpe, Lady Drury (c.1470-by 1531), who had
9) Anne Drury (c.1492-1572) m. George Waldegrave of Smallbridge Hall, and had
10) Anne Waldegrave (1506-1590) m. Sir Clement Heigham of Barrow Hall, and had
11) Sir John Heigham of Barrow Hall (1540-1626), who had
12) Sarah Heigham (c.1566-1634) m. 1) Sir Richard Bingham of Bingham's Melcombe, and had
That Sarah was a daughter not of John Heigham of Barrow Hall who m Anne Wright, and who (he) died 1626 "aged 98"

http://books.google.com/books?id=oGMBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA212
"Genealogical Memoirs of the Extinct Family of Chester of Chicheley, their Ancestors and Descendants", by Robert E. C. Waters, esq
Volume 1, page 212 wj

But rather that she was a daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall who m Martha Yelverton (sometime after her prior husbands 1550 will). Who (he) died 1597 "aged 69"

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Index_to_Burke_s_dictionary_of_the_lande/S2hHAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton&pg=PA159&printsec=frontcover&bsq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton

http://books.google.com/books?id=vbARAAAAYAAJ&dq=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&f=true

Disconnecting her royal ascent
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2021-08-21 15:48:04 UTC
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William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
William Baker married Susan Sparrow 10 Nov 1689 St Nicholas Church, Ipswich, Suffolk. Their daughter Anne was likely born the following year, probably in Ipswich, presumably before Rev. William was made rector of Layham.
Post by Will Johnson
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2019/07/383-barker-of-grimston-hall-chantry.html
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Barker's mother was Bridget Bacon bap 20 Jan 1659 Barham
I don't know that these Bacons of Shrubland have a royal ascent
Bridget (Bacon), Lady Barker (1659-1719) has an Edward I descent through her paternal grandmother, Martha (Bingham) Bacon.
1) Joan of Acre, Countess of Gloucester (1272-1307), who had
2) Elizabeth de Clare, Lady de Burgh (1295-1360), who had
3) Elizabeth Damory, Lady Bardolf (1318-by 1362), who had
4) William, 4th Lord Bardolf (1349-1386), who had
5) Cecily Bardolf, Lady Stapleton (c.1382-1432), who had
6) Sir Miles Stapleton of Ingham (c.1407-1466), who had
7) Elizabeth Stapleton, Lady Calthorpe (1441-1505), who had
8) Anne Calthorpe, Lady Drury (c.1470-by 1531), who had
9) Anne Drury (c.1492-1572) m. George Waldegrave of Smallbridge Hall, and had
10) Anne Waldegrave (1506-1590) m. Sir Clement Heigham of Barrow Hall, and had
11) Sir John Heigham of Barrow Hall (1540-1626), who had
12) Sarah Heigham (c.1566-1634) m. 1) Sir Richard Bingham of Bingham's Melcombe, and had
That Sarah was a daughter not of John Heigham of Barrow Hall who m Anne Wright, and who (he) died 1626 "aged 98"
http://books.google.com/books?id=oGMBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA212
"Genealogical Memoirs of the Extinct Family of Chester of Chicheley, their Ancestors and Descendants", by Robert E. C. Waters, esq
Volume 1, page 212 wj
But rather that she was a daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall who m Martha Yelverton (sometime after her prior husbands 1550 will). Who (he) died 1597 "aged 69"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Index_to_Burke_s_dictionary_of_the_lande/S2hHAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton&pg=PA159&printsec=frontcover&bsq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton
http://books.google.com/books?id=vbARAAAAYAAJ&dq=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&f=true
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The 1623 Visitation of Berkshire also shows Sarah Heigham, the wife of Richard Bingham, as a daughter of John Heigham of Gifford's and his wife Martha (Yelverton) Fincham.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Four_Visitations_of_Bershire_Made_an/FcFCAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22john+heigham%22+yelverton+giffords&pg=PA96&printsec=frontcover
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2021-08-21 16:02:36 UTC
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But rather that she was a daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall who m Martha Yelverton (sometime after her prior husbands 1550 will). Who (he) died 1597 "aged 69"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Index_to_Burke_s_dictionary_of_the_lande/S2hHAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton&pg=PA159&printsec=frontcover&bsq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton
http://books.google.com/books?id=vbARAAAAYAAJ&dq=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&f=true
Disconnecting her royal ascent
The 1623 Visitation of Berkshire also shows Sarah Heigham, the wife of Richard Bingham, as a daughter of John Heigham of Gifford's and his wife Martha (Yelverton) Fincham.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Four_Visitations_of_Bershire_Made_an/FcFCAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22john+heigham%22+yelverton+giffords&pg=PA96&printsec=frontcover
This is a correction to HOP. I've disconnected Sarah (Heigham) Lady Bingham from John Heigham of Barrow Hall and Anne Wright in my database.

Thank you, Will and John.

Cheers, -----Brad
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2021-08-21 17:31:27 UTC
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But rather that she was a daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall who m Martha Yelverton (sometime after her prior husbands 1550 will). Who (he) died 1597 "aged 69"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Index_to_Burke_s_dictionary_of_the_lande/S2hHAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton&pg=PA159&printsec=frontcover&bsq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton
http://books.google.com/books?id=vbARAAAAYAAJ&dq=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&f=true
Disconnecting her royal ascent
The 1623 Visitation of Berkshire also shows Sarah Heigham, the wife of Richard Bingham, as a daughter of John Heigham of Gifford's and his wife Martha (Yelverton) Fincham.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Four_Visitations_of_Bershire_Made_an/FcFCAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22john+heigham%22+yelverton+giffords&pg=PA96&printsec=frontcover
This is a correction to HOP. I've disconnected Sarah (Heigham) Lady Bingham from John Heigham of Barrow Hall and Anne Wright in my database.
Thank you, Will and John.
Cheers, -----Brad
Another source that supports Sarah Heigham, wife of Richard Bingham, as the daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall and Martha Yelverton is part 1, p. 76 of Joan Corder's 1981 edition of the 1561 Visitation of Suffolk (Harleian Society, Visitation Series, new series, vol. 2).

By her 2nd husband Edward Waldegrave, Sarah Heigham is ancestral to Princess Diana.

Out of curiosity, which HOP entry needs correction?
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2021-08-21 17:54:51 UTC
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But rather that she was a daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall who m Martha Yelverton (sometime after her prior husbands 1550 will). Who (he) died 1597 "aged 69"
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Index_to_Burke_s_dictionary_of_the_lande/S2hHAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton&pg=PA159&printsec=frontcover&bsq=john%20heigham%20martha%20yelverton
http://books.google.com/books?id=vbARAAAAYAAJ&dq=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&pg=PA156#v=onepage&q=drew%20drury%20anne%20waldegrave&f=true
Disconnecting her royal ascent
The 1623 Visitation of Berkshire also shows Sarah Heigham, the wife of Richard Bingham, as a daughter of John Heigham of Gifford's and his wife Martha (Yelverton) Fincham.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Four_Visitations_of_Bershire_Made_an/FcFCAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22john+heigham%22+yelverton+giffords&pg=PA96&printsec=frontcover
This is a correction to HOP. I've disconnected Sarah (Heigham) Lady Bingham from John Heigham of Barrow Hall and Anne Wright in my database.
Thank you, Will and John.
Cheers, -----Brad
Another source that supports Sarah Heigham, wife of Richard Bingham, as the daughter of John Heigham of Giffords Hall and Martha Yelverton is part 1, p. 76 of Joan Corder's 1981 edition of the 1561 Visitation of Suffolk (Harleian Society, Visitation Series, new series, vol. 2).
By her 2nd husband Edward Waldegrave, Sarah Heigham is ancestral to Princess Diana.
Out of curiosity, which HOP entry needs correction?
You can ignore my question about the HOP entry - I see that it's the one for Edward Waldegrave which you cited, which links Sarah to the wrong John Heigham.
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2021-08-21 18:16:15 UTC
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William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
William Baker married Susan Sparrow 10 Nov 1689 St Nicholas Church, Ipswich, Suffolk. Their daughter Anne was likely born the following year, probably in Ipswich, presumably before Rev. William was made rector of Layham.
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After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2019/07/383-barker-of-grimston-hall-chantry.html
Cheers, ----Brad
There are Edward I descents for Sir William Barker, 5th Baronet, vis his paternal grandmother Winifred Parker and her mother Dorothy Gawdy.
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2021-08-21 20:26:22 UTC
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William Baker was rector of Layham 1690-1728 when he died.
William and Susannah were having children at Layham in the 1690s
Layham, co Suff (Batch C06320-2 wj)
but not an Anne
I suspect she was already born before that year
William Baker married Susan Sparrow 10 Nov 1689 St Nicholas Church, Ipswich, Suffolk. Their daughter Anne was likely born the following year, probably in Ipswich, presumably before Rev. William was made rector of Layham.
Post by Will Johnson
After Edward Spencer died 1728, Anne remarried to
William /Barker/ , Knt and Bnt; of Grimston Hall, co Suff; W
who himself died 23 Jul 1731
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/2019/07/383-barker-of-grimston-hall-chantry.html
Cheers, ----Brad
There are Edward I descents for Sir William Barker, 5th Baronet, vis his paternal grandmother Winifred Parker and her mother Dorothy Gawdy.
I don't have a royal descent at all for Dorothy Gawdy
But Philip Parker her husband is twelve steps from Edward I
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2021-08-21 21:09:37 UTC
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I don't have a royal descent at all for Dorothy Gawdy
But Philip Parker her husband is twelve steps from Edward I
I have the same, Will. No Edward I descent for Dorothy (Gawdy), Lady Parker (d. 1639), but five lines of descent from Edward I for her husband Sir Philip Parker of Erwarton Hall (1601-1675), all through his paternal grandfather, Sir Philip Parker of Erwarton Hall (d. 1604).

Cheers, ----Brad
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I don't have a royal descent at all for Dorothy Gawdy
But Philip Parker her husband is twelve steps from Edward I
I have the same, Will. No Edward I descent for Dorothy (Gawdy), Lady Parker (d. 1639), but five lines of descent from Edward I for her husband Sir Philip Parker of Erwarton Hall (1601-1675), all through his paternal grandfather, Sir Philip Parker of Erwarton Hall (d. 1604).
Cheers, ----Brad
Oops, my mistake – I read my data too quickly. The 5 Edward I lines for Winifred Parker are indeed through his father Sir Philip Parker and not through her mother Dorothy Gawdy, as Will and Brad have indicated.

But Dorothy Gawdy does (I believe) have Henry II descents – tracing back via the families of Bacon, Gresham, and Lynne, to Joan Knyvett, daughter of Sir John Knyvett and Elizabeth Clifton. Sir John Knyvett has a Henry II line via Knyvett, Botetourt, FitzThomas, Beauchamp, and Longespee to Henry II.

The Henry II lines for Elizabeth Clifton are actually lines to King John - one line through each of her parents. The Clifton line goes via Cromwell, Bernake and Marmion to Lorette de Dover, granddaughter of King John. The line for Elizabeth’s mother Margaret Howard goes via Howard and Cornwall to Richard, Earl of Cornwall, son of King John.

These lines are all in the Genealogics database – unless I’ve misread something!
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https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00112117&tree=LEO

Edward Spencer, of Rendlesham, Suffolk=Anne Baker, of Layham, Suffolk
Anne Spencer=James Douglas-Hamilton, 5th D/Hamilton, 2nd D/Brandon
Archibald Douglas-Hamilton, 9th D/Hamilton, 6th D/Brandon=Lady Harriet Stewart
Alexander Douglas-Hamilton, 10th D/Hamilton, 7th D/Brandon=Susan Eupemia Beckford
William Alexander Douglas-Hamilton, 11th D/Hamilton, 8th D/Brandon
=Princess Marie Elisabeth von Baden
Lady Mary Douglas-Hamiton=Albert I, Prince of Monaco
Louis II, Prince of Monaco=Marie Juliette Louvet
Princess Charlotte of Monaco, Duchess de Valentinois
=Pierre, Comte de Polignac, Duc de Valentinois
Rainier III Louis Henri Maxence Bertrand, Prince of Monaco=Grace Patricia Kelly
Albert Alexandre Louis Pierre, Prince of Monaco
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2021-09-03 00:50:07 UTC
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https://www.genealogics.org/pedigree.php?personID=I00112117&tree=LEO
Edward Spencer, of Rendlesham, Suffolk=Anne Baker, of Layham, Suffolk
Anne Spencer=James Douglas-Hamilton, 5th D/Hamilton, 2nd D/Brandon
Archibald Douglas-Hamilton, 9th D/Hamilton, 6th D/Brandon=Lady Harriet Stewart
Once Archibald married Harriet Stewart, all of their subsequent descendants, became also descendants of Richard Cecil
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2021-08-19 22:26:46 UTC
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Since there is a confusion as to name and number, cited secondary sources have to wait while I try to track down any primary sources which might exist.
Elizabeth Spencer, of Rendlesham, the other sister, married Sir James Dashwood in Feb. 1739.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_baronetage_of_England_revised_correc/mvIDAAAAQAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=elizabeth+dashwood+rendlesham&pg=PA154&printsec=frontcover
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Publications_of_the_Harleian_Society/Qi4EAAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22james+dashwood%22+spencer&pg=PA13&printsec=frontcover
Thanks.
I had seen the reference to their marriage date at "Keith's Chapel Mayfair" but had not been able to locate any such record.
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