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Ancestry of Katherine Bulkeley, m. Randle Brereton?
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r***@gmail.com
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Seeking information on the ancestry of Katherine Bulkeley who married
as his 2nd wife, Randle Brereton of Ipstones, Cheshire (first wife,
Joan, da of William Holford). The only source I can find mentioning
her is Carl Boyer, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Santa
"He [Randle] married second, Katherine Bulkeley, daughter of William
Bulkeley of Eaton in Davenham, a parish in the center of Cheshire. A
chronological study might determine whether the William Bulkeley in
question was likely the son and heir of John Bulkeley of Ayton,
Cheshire, who was aged 21 in 1 Ric. II (1397-1398) and dead in 3 Hen.
V (1417-1419). The next generation William Bulkeley of Ayton, king's
sergeant-at-law, was of record 5 Hen. VI (1426-1427), and was deputy
justice of Cheshire and Flint in 7, 19, and 26 Hen. VI (1428-1429,
1440-1441 and 1447-1448, respectively, died 1 May 1467, and was buried
at Davenham [Ormerod, 3:269]. Ormerod [2:652] contains further data
on the family of Bulkylegh or Bulkeley."
For what it's worth, LDS files (submissions, not extractions)list
Katherine's father William, as son of John Bulkeley, son of Robert and
Isabel de Egerton. Katherine's mother is listed as Margaret de
Molyneux, daughter of Sir Richard and Elizabeth de Stanley.
From Mr. Boyer's entry, I assume Ormerod doesn't provide Katherine's
place in the Bulkeley or Molyneux lines....can anyone provide
information on her ancestry?
Many thanks,
Roger Tansey
William White married Susanna Jackson.

Re Katherine Bulkeley she is the daughter of William Bulkeley and Christian Rivers the daughter of John Rivers.
J. Sardina
2021-08-14 14:20:08 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
Seeking information on the ancestry of Katherine Bulkeley who married
as his 2nd wife, Randle Brereton of Ipstones, Cheshire (first wife,
Joan, da of William Holford). The only source I can find mentioning
her is Carl Boyer, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Santa
"He [Randle] married second, Katherine Bulkeley, daughter of William
Bulkeley of Eaton in Davenham, a parish in the center of Cheshire. A
chronological study might determine whether the William Bulkeley in
question was likely the son and heir of John Bulkeley of Ayton,
Cheshire, who was aged 21 in 1 Ric. II (1397-1398) and dead in 3 Hen.
V (1417-1419). The next generation William Bulkeley of Ayton, king's
sergeant-at-law, was of record 5 Hen. VI (1426-1427), and was deputy
justice of Cheshire and Flint in 7, 19, and 26 Hen. VI (1428-1429,
1440-1441 and 1447-1448, respectively, died 1 May 1467, and was buried
at Davenham [Ormerod, 3:269]. Ormerod [2:652] contains further data
on the family of Bulkylegh or Bulkeley."
For what it's worth, LDS files (submissions, not extractions)list
Katherine's father William, as son of John Bulkeley, son of Robert and
Isabel de Egerton. Katherine's mother is listed as Margaret de
Molyneux, daughter of Sir Richard and Elizabeth de Stanley.
From Mr. Boyer's entry, I assume Ormerod doesn't provide Katherine's
place in the Bulkeley or Molyneux lines....can anyone provide
information on her ancestry?
Many thanks,
Roger Tansey
William White married Susanna Jackson.
Re Katherine Bulkeley she is the daughter of William Bulkeley and Christian Rivers the daughter of John Rivers.
Hello,

Based on various documentation on William Bulkeley, he was a descendant of Christian Rivers (or Ripariis), daughter of one of several John Rivers (or Ripariis).

Catalogue description: Account of descent of manor of Burgate

This record is held by Hampshire Archives and Local Studies See contact details Reference: 1M53/371

Title: Account of descent of manor of Burgate Description: From John de Ripariis and Matilda and claim of William Bulkeley as son of John, son of Christian de Ripariis.

Date: n.d [14th century] Held by: Hampshire Archives and Local Studies


https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/e137a0b8-6b1e-485d-8987-299459ea1fabCatalogue

He appears to have lived until 1465.

He appears to be the identical with the William Bulkeley, justice of Cheshire, esq. of Eyton.

However, I would like to know if he is he same William Bulkeley that appears with a few sons.
See, for example,

Reference: 1M53/400
Title: Feoffment
Description:
By William Bulkeley to Charles Bulkeley, his son, of the manor of Nether Burgate and hundred of Fordingbridge to him and his heirs male, with remainder to his brothers Thomas, John and Arthur,

Date: 10 Jan 1465
Held by: Hampshire Archives and Local Studies

And also, in a different document naming a son Arthur

Reference: C 146/5195
Description:
Indenture, 1 September, 3 Edward IV, witnessing that whereas variance and debate hath been had and moved between William Bulkeley of Ayton, Arthur his son, William Lowe and Isabel daughter of Gruffydd ap Jevan on the one part, and Hoell ap Morgan, Edward ap Jankyn ap Meredith, Margery wife of John Lleys, and Gruffydd Lewt' of the other part, the parties were bound to abide the award of William Stanley, knight, of all manner of debates between them; the said William awards that the said William and Arthur shall pay the said Hoell 6l. at certain dates, to the said Edward 20s, to the said Gruffydd Lewt' 40d, and to the said Margery 6s. 8d.; also that the said Hoell shall pay to the said William Lowe 13s. 4d, and to the said Isabel 6s. 8d. English.

Note: Fragment of seal
Date: 1463 Sept 1
Held by: The National Archives, Kew

I am not clear on whether Isabel was related to William's wife.


He seems to have had another son, Thomas:

Reference: 1M53/386
Title: Draft feoffment
Description:
By William Bulkeley of Ayton (Eaton), (Cheshire), Esq., Chief Justice of the King in that county, to his son Thomas, of all his lands and tenements in England and Weles to him and his heirs male, with remainder to his brothers and their heirs male,

Date: 4 Nov 1440
Held by: Hampshire Archives and Local Studies,

And apparently a few other sons.


A William Bulkeley was petitioning for exemption, due to his marriage with a half Welsh woman.


https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9149212
Petitioners: William Bulkely (Bulkeley), esquire. Name(s): Bulkely (Bulkeley),... Ordering and viewing options Free Download format PDF Approximate size 1.5 MB Add to basket Order up to 10 items per basket, and up to 100 in a 30 day period.

Reference: SC 8/94/4661

Description: Petitioners: William Bulkely (Bulkeley), esquire.


Addressees: Commons of the present parliament.

Nature of request: Bulkely requests the commons to pray to the king by the assent of the Lords spiritual and temporal in the present parliament that he be allowed to accept all manner of offices within Wales and their marches and be able to accept all manner of liberties, freedoms and franchises and customs therein, he having married Ellen who is half Welsh, and it being ordained in the reign of Henry IV that no Englishman marrying a Welsh woman be put in office in Wales.

People mentioned: Ellen [Bulkely (Bulkeley)], wife of the petitioner, and daughter of Gwillym ap Gruffuth; Gwillym ap Gruffith; William Stanley, knight.

Note: The petition dates 1444 as a petition from English towns asking for the upholding of statutes against the Welsh specifically refers to this petition, and requests that Bulkely be excluded from the prohibitions (Rot. Parl., vol. V, p.104a-b (no.II)).

Date: [1444]

Held by: The National Archives, Kew Former reference in its original department: Parliamentary Petition 784

Open Description Publication note: Calendar of Ancient Petitions Relating to Wales, Board of Celtic Studies, History and Law, (University of Wales, 1975), pp.146-7 (full summary of petition but misnumbered as SC 8/94/4660)

Rotuli Parliamentorum; ut et Petitiones, et Placita in Parliamento, vol. V, Hen VI and Edw IV, (Record Commission, 1783), p.104 (no.II) (petition from English towns asking for the upholding of statutes against the Welsh, with Bulkely being specifically excluded from this, and with reference to this petition)

I have not been able to find documentation on William Bulkeley's supposed daughters, one being the wife of Randall Brereton, or their mother. William may have married more than once.

I also trying to determine if an Alice Brereton, daughter of a Randall Brereton (of Malpas), and wife of William de Sondford (Sandford), mentioned in another thread on the Cuertons, could have been a daughter of this Catherine Bulkeley, but so far exact dates are very elusive.

Another daughter of William Bulkeley appears to have been Maud, wife of Thomas Holford.

J. Sardina
J. Sardina
2021-08-14 15:37:38 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
Seeking information on the ancestry of Katherine Bulkeley who married
as his 2nd wife, Randle Brereton of Ipstones, Cheshire (first wife,
Joan, da of William Holford). The only source I can find mentioning
her is Carl Boyer, Medieval English Ancestors of Robert Abell (Santa
"He [Randle] married second, Katherine Bulkeley, daughter of William
Bulkeley of Eaton in Davenham, a parish in the center of Cheshire. A
chronological study might determine whether the William Bulkeley in
question was likely the son and heir of John Bulkeley of Ayton,
Cheshire, who was aged 21 in 1 Ric. II (1397-1398) and dead in 3 Hen.
V (1417-1419). The next generation William Bulkeley of Ayton, king's
sergeant-at-law, was of record 5 Hen. VI (1426-1427), and was deputy
justice of Cheshire and Flint in 7, 19, and 26 Hen. VI (1428-1429,
1440-1441 and 1447-1448, respectively, died 1 May 1467, and was buried
at Davenham [Ormerod, 3:269]. Ormerod [2:652] contains further data
on the family of Bulkylegh or Bulkeley."
For what it's worth, LDS files (submissions, not extractions)list
Katherine's father William, as son of John Bulkeley, son of Robert and
Isabel de Egerton. Katherine's mother is listed as Margaret de
Molyneux, daughter of Sir Richard and Elizabeth de Stanley.
From Mr. Boyer's entry, I assume Ormerod doesn't provide Katherine's
place in the Bulkeley or Molyneux lines....can anyone provide
information on her ancestry?
Many thanks,
Roger Tansey
William White married Susanna Jackson.
Re Katherine Bulkeley she is the daughter of William Bulkeley and Christian Rivers the daughter of John Rivers.
Hello,
Based on various documentation on William Bulkeley, he was a descendant of Christian Rivers (or Ripariis), daughter of one of several John Rivers (or Ripariis).
Catalogue description: Account of descent of manor of Burgate
This record is held by Hampshire Archives and Local Studies See contact details Reference: 1M53/371
Title: Account of descent of manor of Burgate Description: From John de Ripariis and Matilda and claim of William Bulkeley as son of John, son of Christian de Ripariis.
Date: n.d [14th century] Held by: Hampshire Archives and Local Studies
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/e137a0b8-6b1e-485d-8987-299459ea1fabCatalogue
He appears to have lived until 1465.
He appears to be the identical with the William Bulkeley, justice of Cheshire, esq. of Eyton.
However, I would like to know if he is he same William Bulkeley that appears with a few sons.
See, for example,
Reference: 1M53/400
Title: Feoffment
By William Bulkeley to Charles Bulkeley, his son, of the manor of Nether Burgate and hundred of Fordingbridge to him and his heirs male, with remainder to his brothers Thomas, John and Arthur,
Date: 10 Jan 1465
Held by: Hampshire Archives and Local Studies
And also, in a different document naming a son Arthur
Reference: C 146/5195
Indenture, 1 September, 3 Edward IV, witnessing that whereas variance and debate hath been had and moved between William Bulkeley of Ayton, Arthur his son, William Lowe and Isabel daughter of Gruffydd ap Jevan on the one part, and Hoell ap Morgan, Edward ap Jankyn ap Meredith, Margery wife of John Lleys, and Gruffydd Lewt' of the other part, the parties were bound to abide the award of William Stanley, knight, of all manner of debates between them; the said William awards that the said William and Arthur shall pay the said Hoell 6l. at certain dates, to the said Edward 20s, to the said Gruffydd Lewt' 40d, and to the said Margery 6s. 8d.; also that the said Hoell shall pay to the said William Lowe 13s. 4d, and to the said Isabel 6s. 8d. English.
Note: Fragment of seal
Date: 1463 Sept 1
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
I am not clear on whether Isabel was related to William's wife.
Reference: 1M53/386
Title: Draft feoffment
By William Bulkeley of Ayton (Eaton), (Cheshire), Esq., Chief Justice of the King in that county, to his son Thomas, of all his lands and tenements in England and Weles to him and his heirs male, with remainder to his brothers and their heirs male,
Date: 4 Nov 1440
Held by: Hampshire Archives and Local Studies,
And apparently a few other sons.
A William Bulkeley was petitioning for exemption, due to his marriage with a half Welsh woman.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9149212
Petitioners: William Bulkely (Bulkeley), esquire. Name(s): Bulkely (Bulkeley),... Ordering and viewing options Free Download format PDF Approximate size 1.5 MB Add to basket Order up to 10 items per basket, and up to 100 in a 30 day period.
Reference: SC 8/94/4661
Description: Petitioners: William Bulkely (Bulkeley), esquire.
Addressees: Commons of the present parliament.
Nature of request: Bulkely requests the commons to pray to the king by the assent of the Lords spiritual and temporal in the present parliament that he be allowed to accept all manner of offices within Wales and their marches and be able to accept all manner of liberties, freedoms and franchises and customs therein, he having married Ellen who is half Welsh, and it being ordained in the reign of Henry IV that no Englishman marrying a Welsh woman be put in office in Wales.
People mentioned: Ellen [Bulkely (Bulkeley)], wife of the petitioner, and daughter of Gwillym ap Gruffuth; Gwillym ap Gruffith; William Stanley, knight.
Note: The petition dates 1444 as a petition from English towns asking for the upholding of statutes against the Welsh specifically refers to this petition, and requests that Bulkely be excluded from the prohibitions (Rot. Parl., vol. V, p.104a-b (no.II)).
Date: [1444]
Held by: The National Archives, Kew Former reference in its original department: Parliamentary Petition 784
Open Description Publication note: Calendar of Ancient Petitions Relating to Wales, Board of Celtic Studies, History and Law, (University of Wales, 1975), pp.146-7 (full summary of petition but misnumbered as SC 8/94/4660)
Rotuli Parliamentorum; ut et Petitiones, et Placita in Parliamento, vol. V, Hen VI and Edw IV, (Record Commission, 1783), p.104 (no.II) (petition from English towns asking for the upholding of statutes against the Welsh, with Bulkely being specifically excluded from this, and with reference to this petition)
I have not been able to find documentation on William Bulkeley's supposed daughters, one being the wife of Randall Brereton, or their mother. William may have married more than once.
I also trying to determine if an Alice Brereton, daughter of a Randall Brereton (of Malpas), and wife of William de Sondford (Sandford), mentioned in another thread on the Cuertons, could have been a daughter of this Catherine Bulkeley, but so far exact dates are very elusive.
Another daughter of William Bulkeley appears to have been Maud, wife of Thomas Holford.
J. Sardina
And following up on this line, Joan Stanley has been discussed previously in the group, in a series.
"Joan Stanley, wife of Gwilym ap Gruffudd" but it is not clear which sir William Stanley was her father.
From that series, it seem that her marriage to Gwilym did not take place until after 1408 but before 1416, and that she went on to remarry later.
That would place her daughter Ellen after 1408, but anywhere until a few months after the death of her father in 1431, which does not help in establishing if Ellen was Catherine Bulkeley's mother, or if William Bulkeley had a previous wife.

J Sardina

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