Post by Will Johnson Post by Roger Bradshaw
Is there a consensus on the ancestry of the Elizabeth Echyngham who married Richard Wakehurst in the 15thC. Church's 2011 paper on the Echynghams, if I have it correctly, has Elizabeth the daughter of Robert Echyngham and Joan Thorpe, Robert being the son of William Echyngham and Elizabeth Criol.
This seems to conflict with the abstract of the account of the ownership of Dixter manor by Salzman where Elizabeth is purported to be the daughter of a Robert Echyngham who is descended from Richard Echyngham, the Brother of William Echyngham and his wife Joan at Gate.
It that the state of play at the moment or have I missed something?
You might review this
and point out any errors or omissions
Thank you for your response.
I have concocted a tree from Charlotte Smith’s well researched paper on the Echynghams (for some reason I called her Church in my first posting!) and have the following query.
On page 23 we have Robert11 Echyngham a son of (14) William10 Echyngham and Elizabeth Criol who married Joan Thorpe, with no recognised descendants.
I am descended from his younger brother (20) Richard11 Echyngham and an unknown wife who had the (26) Robert12 Echyngham marrying Joan Aps. (Joan seems to be an extraordinarily popular christian name at that time!)
Page 20 has a (16) Richard10 Echyngham as a brother to the aforementioned William10 who on page 23 is said to have had a son through an un-named wife, a second Robert11 Echyngham.
Are we certain (as far as can be ascertained after 700 years) which Richard was the father of the Robert who married Joan Aps.
I am also slightly confused by the various quotes of Saltzman’s history of the Manor of Dixter, the best I have found says:-
Salzmann (p. 153): “Hamo’s daughter Joan married Robert Echingham, and after their death, without issue, Dixter passed to the descendants of Robert’s younger brother, Richard; accordingly in 1411 we find a later Robert Echingham possessed of “Dyksterve” and Gatecourt, each valued at 20.li. This Robert’s daughter Elizabeth married Richard Wakehurst…”
Have you seen the original, the reference to “a later Robert’ could mean either of the two Roberts available, both sons of Richards..