Dear Douglas and all the medieval genealogists,
Gilbert and Adelaide
are two of my ancestors whom I have been busy writing biographies for lately.
Just today, I picked up a book which was mentioned by Douglas.
I haven't had a chance to translate it from French, but here is the citation
and page number for the counts of Clare, which does state that Adeliza was the
daughter of Hugh and Marguerite:
de Sainte-Marie, Anselme, Augustin Déchaussé, and M. du Fourny.
Histoire Genealogique et Chronologique de la Maison Royale de France, des
Pairs: Grands Officiers de la Couronne & de la Maison du Roy, & des
anciens Barons du Royaume… Troisiéme Édition. Tome Second (Second Book). La
Compagnie des Libraires Associez. 1726. Page 481.
From page 481:
II. du nom, comte de Clare & de Cardigan... Femme, Alix de Clermont,
fille d'Hugues comte de Clermont en Beauvoisis, & de Marguerite de Roucy,
mariée avant 1113."
"Gilbert II. name, Earl of Clare & Cardigan... Wife,
Alix de Clermont, daughter of Hugh Count of Clermont in Beauvoisis, & Margaret
of Roucy, married before 1113."
Here is a rough draft of the bios I've written for Gilbert and Adelaide. I realize that that when I send
this, the formatting is going to really ruin the superscript codes I've created
which I use as my citations. When you see two letters followed by a number,
just know that that is a code that refers to the alphabetical
bibliography of my book (which is not finished). Like I said, these bios aren't
complete, because I haven't had a chance to look at the Histoire Genealogique
yet, so more will be added. Additionally, I am not arguing with Douglas
Richardson at all. He may be absolutely correct! Thank you, Doug, for the additional reference. I just figured I'd add what
I've discovered thus far... and I’m sorry about what I’m sure will be ugly
Gilbert FitzRichard, Lord of Clare, Tonbridge, and Cardigan
(Richard, Rohese) was also known as “Gilbert de Clare” GI6, RO14 or
“Gilbert de Tonbridge” PL1, RO14; he was born before 1066 and
married Adelaide/Adeliza de Clermont WE3, GI6, RO14. In the spring
of 1088, he and his brother, Roger, fortified the castle of Tonbridge, located
in Kent and southeast of London, against King William Rufus, but he was injured
and taken captive when he defended it against the onslaught of the king’s army RO14.
He fell out of favor with King William Rufus after this BA9.
He succeeded his father as the Lord of Clare and Tonbridge WE3,
WH4, GI6, and was the founder of the Priory of Clare in 1090 WE3,
GI6. Gilbert may have been the recipient of the lands of Rainald FitzIvo
in Norfolk, and
he although he originally opposed King William, he did serve in his army in
1091 and 1095 BA9. He was mentioned, along with many other men, as
being present with William Rufus for his impending Channel crossing from either Dover or Hastings
in 1091, and Gilbert may have accompanied the king to Normandy BA9.
In June 1095, while William Rufus marched northward, Gilbert warned the king of
an ambush RO14. In Colchester on August 29, 1096, he helped lay the
cornerstones of St. John’s
Abbey, which was founded by his brother-in-law, Eudes RO14.
There is a good possibility that he was in attendance at
Brockenhurst (the alleged site of the king’s death) when William Rufus was
fatally shot with an arrow by Gilbert’s brother-in-law, Walter Tirel RO16,
in August 1100 RO14. He spent Christmas of 1101 with King Henry I at
Winchester RO14, and the king granted him the lordship of Cardigan
sometime between 1107 and 1111 GI6, WE3. In 1113, he consented to a
charter created by his mother, and he died of a prolonged illness RO14 between 1114 and 1117 WE3, RO14.
Adelaide de Clermont-en-Beauvaisis (Hugh, Marguerite) was
also known as “Adeliz” GI6, TA1 or “Adeliza de Claremont” WE4,
and was the wife of Gilbert FitzRichard GI6, WE4, TA1. She was the
mother of Adeliza (Alice) de Clare GI6, WE3, WH4, PL1,
Richard FitzGilbert, Gilbert de Clare, the first earl of Pembroke GI6,
WH4, PL1, Baldwin, Margaret, who married William de Montfichet RO19,
PL1, and perhaps also John, Walter, Henry (Hervey RO14), and
Rohaisia PL1. After Gilbert’s death, she married Bouchard de
Montmorency, although his given name is questionable GI6.
Barlow, Frank. William Rufus. University of California
1983. Pages 73, 140, 170-171, 228, 278-280, and 469.
Gibbs, The Hon. Vicary, George Edward Cokayne, and H. Arthur
Doubleday. The Complete Peerage, Volume III. Canonteign to Cutts. The St.
Catherine Press. London.
1913. Pages 242-243.
Planché, J.R., Esq. “The Earls of Worcester and Hertford.” The
Journal of the British Archaeological Association. Vol. XXVI. The British
Archaeological Association. London.
1870. Pages 150-152.
Round, J.H. “Clare, Gilbert de (d. 1115?).” Dictionary of
National Biography. Volume X. Chamber-Clarkson. Editor Leslie Stephen.
Macmillan and Co. New York.
1887. Page 377.
Round, J.H., M.A. Feudal England. Historical Studies on the
XIth and XIIth Centuries. Swan Sonnenschein & Co. London. 1895. Pages 322-324, 469-470, and 472.
Round, J.H., M.A. “The Family of Clare.” The Archaeological
Journal. Volume LVI. Second Series, Vol. VI. The Royal Archaeological Institute of Great Britain
and Ireland. London. 1899.
Tait, James, M.A. The Chartulary or Register of The Abbey of
St. Werburgh Chester. PartI. Remains,
Historical and Literary Connected with the Palatine Counties of Lancaster and Chester.
Volume 79 – New Series. The Chetham Society. Manchester. 1920. Pages xviii-xix, and 140-141.
Weis, Frederick Lewis, Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr., William R.
Beall, and Kaleen E. Beall. Ancestral
Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to America before 1700, Eighth Edition.
From: Douglas Richardson <***@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 8:40 PM
Subject: C.P. Addition: Alice de Clermont, wife of Gilbert Fitz Richard (or de Clare) and Bouchard de Montmorency
Dear Newsgroup ~
Complete Peerage 3 (1913): 242-246 has an extended account of the
early baronial/comital Clare family of England. On page 242-243, a
brief account is given of Gilbert Fitz Richard (styled also de Clare
and de Tonbridge), lord of Clare, Suffolk, who died in 1117.
Regarding his marriage and death, the following information is
"He married Adeliz, daughter of Hugh, Count of Clermont in Beauvaisis,
by Marguerite, daughter of Hilduin, Count of Montdidier and Roucy. He
died 1114 or 1117. His widow married, 2ndly, (?Bouchard) de
Montmorency." END OF QUOTE.
Complete Peerage cites as its source for the marriage of Gilbert and
Alice as Père Anselme (no volume or page). it also refers the reader
to a note by J.R. Planché in Journal of the Biritish Arch. Assoc..,
vol. xxvi, p. 150. Neither source is quoted.
Elsewhere there is a modern biography of Gilbert de Clare [otherwise
Gilbert fitz Richard, Gilbert of Tonbridge] published in new Oxford
Dictionary of National Biography [ODNB]. Regarding Gilbert's marriage
and death, the following information is provided:
"Gilbert was married, probably before the division of his father's
estates with Roger, to Alice (Aliz), daughter of the count of Clermont
in the Beauvaisis ... Gilbert’s last dated appearance is at
Westminster on 16 September 1115; the Welsh annals note his death in
1117." END OF QUOTE
Strangely, ODNB cites neither Complete Peerage, Père Anselme, or
Planché as a source. Nor is any reference made to the 2nd marriage of
Alice de Clermont to [?Bouchard] de Montmorency. Both ODNB and C.P.
are in agreement, however, that Alice's father was Count of Clermont
Unfortunately both C.P. and ODNB are in error regarding Alice's
father, Hugues de Clermont, being the Count of Clermont. There is a
good account of Hugues de Clermont published in Luçay, Le Comté de
Clermont en Beauvaisis (1878): 9–11. This source may be viewed at the
On page 11, Luçay specifically states the following:
"Ni Suger, ni les chartes que nous avons eues sous les yeux, ne
donnent à Hugues le titre de comte; elles le qualifient seulement
seigneur de Clermont.” END OF QUOTE.
That Luçay is correct is borne out by two records published in Muller,
Prieuré de Saint-Leu d’Esserent: Cartulaire 1 (Pubs. Soc. Hist. du
Vexin) (1900), which may be viewed at the following weblink:
On page 44, there is a charter of Alice de Clermont, wife of Gilbert
de Clare, in which she styles herself "daughter of Hugues de
Clermont" [Hadalaidis, filia Hugonis de Claromonte, scilicet uxor
Gisleberti de Anglia]. The purpose of Alice's charter was to found an
anniversary at the Priory of Saint-Leu d’Esserent for herself and for
her parents, Hugues and Marguerite. Alice's father is no where styled
count in this document, even though he was surely then deceased.
Likewise, on pages 34–36, Muller presents the testament of Alice de
Clermont's sister, Marguerite de Gerberoy, who similarly styles
herself “daughter of Hugues de Clermont” [filia Hugonis de
Claromonte]. Marguerite arranged for her burial at the Priory of
Saint-Leu d'Esserent, for which she gave the Priory the sixth part of
the tithe of Courlaye for the foundation of her anniversary. This
document mentions her husband, Gerard [de Geberoy]; Pierre son of the
said Gerard; and Count Renaud brother of the said Marguerite). Once
again Hugues de Clermont is no where styled count in this document.
Jackson, Words, Names, & History: Selected Papers [of] Cecily Clark
(1995) gives evidence which confirms both Alice de Clermont's
parentage and her 2nd marriage. On page 335, according to Jackson,
Margareta de ierborai [Gerberoy] is entered in LV as the sister of
Alice de Clermont. LV is Liber Vitae of Thorney Abbey (BL., Add. MS.
40,000, Marguerite de Gerberoy is the same lady mentioned above by
Muller. On page 336, Jackson states that "Burchardus de muntmorenci"
is entered in LV as 2nd husband of Alice de Clermont.
Jackson may be viewed at the following weblink:
As far as I know, this is the first concrete evidence which confirms
the given name of Alice de Clermont's 2nd husband, Bouchard de
Montmorency. I presume this man is the same person as Bouchard [III]
de Montmorency seigneur of Montmorency, who was living in 1124.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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