Carl-Henry Geschwind

2021-03-27 00:55:29 UTC

Jeanne de Montfort, wife of Guy VI Comte de Forez and then of Louis de Savoie, Seigneur de Vaud, is shown as the daughter of Philippe II de Montfort, Seigneur de Castres, and his wife Jeanne de Lévis by both Père Anselme (in Histoire généalogique et chronologique de la Maison Royale de France, VI: 80, viewable at https://digital.ub.uni-duesseldorf.de/ihd/content/pageview/8915808) and by André Du Chesne (in Histoire des rois, ducs, et comtes de Bourgogne et d'Arles, p. 437, viewable at https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k1056857z/f461.item). This assignment has been adopted by ESNF 3:643, as shown at https://genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00079354&tree=LEO

But what are the contemporary or near-contemporary documents supporting this parentage? From a citation in Cawley I have gotten to an extract from her will of November 1293, in which she describes herself as "dominæ Joannæ de Monteforti, quondam comitissæ Forensis, uxorisque quondam illustris domini Ludovici de Sabaudia, domini Vaudi" (Jean Marie de La Mure, Histoire des ducs de Bourbon et des comtes de Forez, III: 73-74, viewable at https://books.google.com/books?id=PMvkAAAAMAAJ). So she clearly was a Montfort of some sort. But (as also already pointed out by Cawley) neither she nor any of her (very many) children appear in the 1295 charter by which Joannes, Laura and Elienoris de Monteforti as children of D. Philippi de Monteforti and D. Joannæ de Leviers assign a portion of their estates to Elienoris (Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Notre-Dame de La Roche, pp. 458-459, viewable at https://books.google.com/books?id=wsEQAAAAIAAJ).

So what is the evidence (earlier than Du Chesne) that this Jeanne de Montfort was the daughter of specifically Philippe II de Montfort-Castres and not of one of the many other Montforts floating around out there?

Thanks!

But what are the contemporary or near-contemporary documents supporting this parentage? From a citation in Cawley I have gotten to an extract from her will of November 1293, in which she describes herself as "dominæ Joannæ de Monteforti, quondam comitissæ Forensis, uxorisque quondam illustris domini Ludovici de Sabaudia, domini Vaudi" (Jean Marie de La Mure, Histoire des ducs de Bourbon et des comtes de Forez, III: 73-74, viewable at https://books.google.com/books?id=PMvkAAAAMAAJ). So she clearly was a Montfort of some sort. But (as also already pointed out by Cawley) neither she nor any of her (very many) children appear in the 1295 charter by which Joannes, Laura and Elienoris de Monteforti as children of D. Philippi de Monteforti and D. Joannæ de Leviers assign a portion of their estates to Elienoris (Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Notre-Dame de La Roche, pp. 458-459, viewable at https://books.google.com/books?id=wsEQAAAAIAAJ).

So what is the evidence (earlier than Du Chesne) that this Jeanne de Montfort was the daughter of specifically Philippe II de Montfort-Castres and not of one of the many other Montforts floating around out there?

Thanks!