Post by taf Post by taf Post by P J Evans Post by John Higgins Post by Paulo Ricardo Canedo
Back in 2014, in https://groups.google.com/d/msg/soc.genealogy.medieval/47wlQQ5ODME/fqtDQKwTCiUJ,
John Higgins said that the Hollands of Denton had no apparent connection to the Hollands of Exeter. However, Todd Farmerie recently told me that a series of charts posted in Wikipedia, apparently from the late 19th century or early 20th century, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4e/Hollands_of_Upholland_in_Lancashire.jpg, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/A_Pedigree_of_the_Family_of_Holland_of_Conway.jpg and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Pedigree_of_the_Hollands_of_Upholland_and_Denton.jpg, would make both the Hollands of Denton and the Hollands of Conway part of the same male line as the Hollands of Exeter.
He also said that those lines may still survive. After reading John Higgins's post, I can confirm that, at the least, the Hollands of Denton, still survive. The Viscounts Knutsford are descended from them.
What is the source of these charts? Who developed them and where were they first published?
(And don't just say "Wikipedia"...)
It appears to be "The Lancashire Hollands", by Bernard Henry Holland, published in 1917. Internet Archive has it; there's and index to the pedigree charts that appear in the book. The first one is the one facing the first page of Chapter I, which is on the Hollands of Upholland.
That is where one is from. The other I just found in "A history of the family of Holland of Mobberley and Knutsford" by Edgar Swinton Holland, 1902. Unfortunately, as is often the case, the copy I found at Hathi and Internet Archive did not consider the chart worth scanning, but I could see just enough of the far right of the table to see that it matches.
The same is true for the Google Books copy, but Ancestry has a copy with the full chart, split in two at exactly the same place - the uploader got it from the Ancestry copy.
Todd, I assume you're referring to the third pedigree mentioned by Paulo, "Pedigree of the Hollands of Upholland and Denton". The Hathi and IA copies were both filmed by Google - hence the mangled pedigree (SOP for Google). My access to Ancestry is via my local library, which is closed due to the pandemic [sigh] - but at least I have a picture of the pedigree and now know its source.
The first pedigree mentioned by Paulo, "Hollands of Upholland in Lancashire", is indeed in the 1917 book mentioned by P. J. Evans. That book also has an abbreviated copy of the second pedigree, "Pedigree of the Family of Holland of Conway" and notes that the original (with authorities) was compiled by Sir Thomas Erskine Holland and was published in Archaeologica Cambrensis, 3rd series, vol. 12 (1866). The pedigree in the Google copy of that volume is mangled (of course), but I think I can find a better copy...in the morning.
Thanks to both of you for your bibliographic sleuthing on this!