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C.P. Addition: Beatrice, wife of Walter Rossale, Knt., Thomas Cobham, Knt., and John Prendergast, Knt.
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c***@gmail.com
2019-06-22 18:13:55 UTC
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Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage 3 (1913): 352 (sub Cobham) includes a brief account of Sir Thomas Cobham, of Randall in Shorne and Allington castle, Kent, who died in 1394. Here is a copy of that information:

"Sir Thomas Cobham, son and heir, aged 19 at his father's death, was born 1343. M.P. for Kent 1376, 1382, 1384, and 1390. He married, 1stly, Maud, daughter and probably heir of Thomas Morice, a wealthy pleader in the King's Bench. She died between 1380 and 1389. M.I. at Cobham. He married, 2ndly, Beatrice, who was living as his widow in 1395. He died 1393-94, and was buried at Birling." END OF QUOTE.

Here is the documentation provided by Complete Peerage: Nothing.

Complete Peerage 14 (1998): 196 amends Sir Thomas Cobham's death date to read from "died 1393-94" to "died 8 Feb. 1393/4 [Genealogist, vol. xxix, 1913, p. 205.]."

A full modern biography of Sir Thomas Cobham [died 1394] is published in Roskell, The History of Parliament: the House of Commons 1386-1421. A copy of the biography may be viewed online at the following weblink:

https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/cobham-sir-thomas-1343-1394

Regarding Sir Thomas Cobham's two marriages, the following information is provided by Roskell:

"[He] married (1) before April 1367, Maud (died 9 April 1380), daughter of Thomas Morice (died 1368), pleader and common serjeant of London, 2 sons; (2) Beatrice, s.p." END OF QUOTE.

Regarding Sir Thomas Cobham's surviving wife, Beatrice, the following additional information is provided by Roskell:

"His widow Beatrice sued her stepson for dower in Allington in 1395 and was in danger of being arrested in London the following year at the suit of a tailor for detinue of four marks. Later, as executrix of Cobham's will (which has not survived), she herself brought suits for two much more substantial debts of £100 each." END OF QUOTE.

Recently I encountered a Common Pleas lawsuit which indicates that Beatrice, widow of Sir Thomas Cobham, remarried John Prendergast by Trinity term 1404. An abstract of the lawsuit is given below:

In Trinity term 1404 the Abbess of Mallyng sued John Prendergast and Beatrice his wife, alias Lady Beatrice relict of Thomas Cobeham, in the Court of Common Pleas in a Kent plea regarding a debt of 13 marks.

Court of Common Pleas, CP40/574, image 23f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/H4/CP40no574/aCP40no574fronts/IMG_0023.htm).

The following document found in the online Discovery catalog proves that Beatrice, wife of Sir Thomas Cobham, married Sir John Prendergast before 1402-3. Also we learn from this document that Beatrice had yet another previously unknown marriage to Walter Rossale (or Rossall), Knt., of Rosshall (in St. Chad’s Shrewsbury), Yagdons (in Shrewsbury), and Sleap (in High Ercall), Shropshire, Hunmanby, Yorkshire, etc. By her earlier marriage to Sir Walter Rossale, Beatrice was the mother of a son, John Rossale, as well as two daughters, Eleanor and Alice.

Reference: E 210/11173
Description:
John Prendergest, knight, and Dame Beatrice his wife to John Rossale, son and hier of Walter Rossale, knight, and of the said Beatrice: Demise, indented, for life, of his share of the manors of Ross Hall (in St. Chad's, Shrewsbury), Zakedone, Eton, and Sleap (in Wem). Salop.

Date: 4 Hen. IV [1402-1403]
Held by: The National Archives, Kew. END OF QUOTE.

Beatrice Cobham's last husband, John Prendergast, can be readily identified as Sir John Prendergast, of Northumberland, who owed John Winslow, Citizen and draper of London, a debt of £60. See the following eight weblinks for this information:

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9537039
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9699865
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9553114
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9553090
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9552306
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9536996
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9553038
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9553115

The various records involving this debt document the dower of Beatrice Prendergast which she held from her previous Cobham and Rossale marriages:

In the first debt item above, the Kent jury says that "John Prendergast had on the day of the recognizance, in right of Beatrice, his wife, at Copheest in the vills of Horton and Stanford ..... John Prendergast has in right of his wife, Beatrice, the third part of the castle of Alynton ..." END OF QUOTE.

In the eighth debt item noted above, the Shropshire jury states that Sir John Prendergast "had on the day of the recognizance and afterwards the manor of Rossale and half the manor of Eton and Yakedon in Salop for the term of his wife, Beatrice's life, with reversion after her death to John de Rossale, knight." END OF QUOTE.

I find that Beatrice (______) (Rossale) (Cobham) Prendergast was living as late as 3 November 1413, as indicated by a fine found on Chris Phillips' helpful medieval genealogy website:

Reference:
CP 25/1/291/63, number 48.
County: Yorkshire. Shropshire.
Date: The day after All Souls, 1 Henry [V] [3 November 1413]. And afterwards one week from St Michael, 4 Henry [V] [6 October 1416].
Parties: Ralph Lobenham, Thomas Hunte and John Denys, querents, and John Mortemer, esquire, and Eleanor, his wife, deforciants.
Property: A moiety of the manor of Hundmanby in the county of York and a moiety of the manors of Rossale, Yaketon' and Slepe in the county of Shropshire.
Action: Plea of covenant.
Agreement: John and Eleanor have acknowledged the moieties to be the right of Thomas, of which Thomas, Ralph and John Denys have the moiety of the manor of Hundmanby of their gift.
For this: Ralph, Thomas and John Denys have granted to John Mortemer and Eleanor the same moiety of the manor of Hundmanby and have rendered it to them in the court, to hold to John Mortemer and Eleanor and the heirs of their bodies, of the chief lords for ever. And besides Ralph, Thomas and John Denys granted for themselves and the heirs of Thomas that the moiety of the manors of Rossale, Yaketon' and Slepe - which Thomas, earl of Arundel and Surrey, held for the life of Beatrice, who was the wife of John Prendirgest, knight, of the inheritance of Thomas Hunte on the day the agreement was made, and which after the decease of Beatrice ought to revert to Ralph, Thomas Hunte and [John] Denys and the heirs of Thomas - after the decease of Beatrice shall remain to John Mortemer and Eleanor and their aforesaid heirs, to hold together with the aforesaid moiety, of the chief lords for ever. In default of such heirs, remainder to the right heirs of Eleanor. END OF QUOTE.

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As to Walter Rossale/Rossall and Beatrice's surviving two daughters, on 12 May 1416, John Mortemer knight and Eleanor his wife "one of the daughters and heirs of Walter Russall knight" reached agreement with Philip Ingilfelde [Englefield], Esq., late husband of Alice, Eleanor’s sister, regarding the division of the lands of Eleanor and Alice's father, Walter Rossall, Knt. Reference: Cal. Close Rolls, 1413–1419 (1929): 356, which may be viewed at the following weblink:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.30000008749628&view=1up&seq=364

For further details of Eleanor Rossale/Rossall, wife of Sir Nicholas Dagworth and John Mortimer, Knt., please see my book, Royal Ancestry, published in 2013. Alice Rossale/Rossall, wife of Philip Englefield, has modern descendants. A poorly arranged pedigree of the Englefield family is published in Benolte et al., Four Vis. of Berkshire 1532, 1566, 1623 & 1665–6 2 (H.S.P. 57) (1908): 121–124, which may be viewed at the following weblink:

https://archive.org/details/fourvisitationso5657ryla/page/121

The Englefield family is ancestral to at least two 17th Century New World immigrants, Thomas Owsley, of Virginia, and John Baynard, of Maryland.

In summary, we find that Sir Thomas Cobham [died 1394] married (2nd) Beatrice (_____), widow of Sir Walter Rossale/Rossall, of Shropshire. Following his death, Beatrice married (3rd) before 1402-3 Sir John Prendergast, of Northumberland. Beatrice was living 3 November 1413.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
John Higgins
2019-06-23 05:14:13 UTC
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Post by c***@gmail.com
Dear Newsgroup ~
"Sir Thomas Cobham, son and heir, aged 19 at his father's death, was born 1343. M.P. for Kent 1376, 1382, 1384, and 1390. He married, 1stly, Maud, daughter and probably heir of Thomas Morice, a wealthy pleader in the King's Bench. She died between 1380 and 1389. M.I. at Cobham. He married, 2ndly, Beatrice, who was living as his widow in 1395. He died 1393-94, and was buried at Birling." END OF QUOTE.
https://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/cobham-sir-thomas-1343-1394
"[He] married (1) before April 1367, Maud (died 9 April 1380), daughter of Thomas Morice (died 1368), pleader and common serjeant of London, 2 sons; (2) Beatrice, s.p." END OF QUOTE.
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The following document found in the online Discovery catalog proves that Beatrice, wife of Sir Thomas Cobham, married Sir John Prendergast before 1402-3. Also we learn from this document that Beatrice had yet another previously unknown marriage to Walter Rossale (or Rossall), Knt., of Rosshall (in St. Chad’s Shrewsbury), Yagdons (in Shrewsbury), and Sleap (in High Ercall), Shropshire, Hunmanby, Yorkshire, etc. By her earlier marriage to Sir Walter Rossale, Beatrice was the mother of a son, John Rossale, as well as two daughters, Eleanor and Alice.
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The marriage of Beatrice to Sir Thomas Rossale is not "previously unknown". It is noted in Ronny Bodine's "Ancestry of Dorothea Poyntz" in at least the most recent (4th) edition of that work (2013) and perhaps in earlier editions as well. Bodine notes that Beatrice remarried after the death of Sir Thomas Rossale but does not identify her subsequent husband or husbands - no doubt because it was peripheral to the purpose of his work. But he does cite exactly the same 1416 document that is mentioned in the current post.

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https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=inu.30000008749628&view=1up&seq=364
For further details of Eleanor Rossale/Rossall, wife of Sir Nicholas Dagworth and John Mortimer, Knt., please see my book, Royal Ancestry, published in 2013. Alice Rossale/Rossall, wife of Philip Englefield, has modern descendants.
Among the many modern descendants of Alice Rossale and Philip Englefield are such well-known individuals as Princes William and Harry.
c***@gmail.com
2019-06-23 20:01:19 UTC
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John ~

Beatrice, wife of Sir Thomas de Cobham and Sir John Prendergast, was previously the widow of Sir Walter Rossale/Rossall, not Sir Thomas Rossale/Rossall.

DR
John Higgins
2019-06-24 00:51:41 UTC
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Post by c***@gmail.com
John ~
Beatrice, wife of Sir Thomas de Cobham and Sir John Prendergast, was previously the widow of Sir Walter Rossale/Rossall, not Sir Thomas Rossale/Rossall.
DR
Yes, my mistake - I swapped the given names of Beatrice's Rossale and Cobham husbands. Mea culpa... But Ronny Bodine did get it right way back in 2013 (or earlier) when he noted the not so "previously unknown" marriage of Sir Walter Rossale and Beatrice.

We all make mistakes, don't we? Sometimes it's in exchanging the names of two individuals, and other times it's in asserting that a particular piece of information was "previously unknown". :-)
c***@gmail.com
2019-06-29 20:36:20 UTC
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Below is another record for Beatrice, wife of Sir Walter Rossale, Sir Thomas Cobham, and Sir John Prendergast.

In Easter term 1397 Beatrice widow of Walter de Rossale sued William de Eton in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a reasonable account of the time that he was her bailiff in Rossale [Rosshall (in St. Chad’s Shrewsbury)], Eton [Eyton (in Shrewsbury)], and Yakedon [Yagdons (in Shrewsbury)], Herefordshire and her receiver of money.

Reference:
Court of Common Pleas, CP40/545, image 42f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/R2/CP40no545/aCP40no545fronts/IMG_0042.htm).

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
c***@gmail.com
2019-06-29 22:55:03 UTC
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Below is another record for Beatrice, wife of Sir Walter Rossale, Sir Thomas Cobham, and Sir John Prendergast.

In Easter term 1397 Beatrice widow of Walter de Rossale sued William de Eton in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a reasonable account of the time that he was her bailiff in Rossale [Rosshall (in St. Chad’s Shrewsbury)], Eton [Eyton (in Shrewsbury)], and Yakedon [Yagdons (in Shrewsbury)], Shropshire and her receiver of money.

Reference:
Court of Common Pleas, CP40/545, image 42f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/R2/CP40no545/aCP40no545fronts/IMG_0042.htm).
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