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several descents from Canute IV.
rhetorical question: the uncertainty common to all her claimed descents
For medieval genealogists, the pivotal uncertainty is whether Ingegerd is daughter of Edel of Flanders or daughter of a concubine or something like that.
how could one of the twin girls left behind in Denmark by Adela (that
is, Ingegerd and Cecilia) have become mother to a contender for the
countship of Flanders if they were daughters of "a concubine or
something like that" and not of Adela herself?
Firstly, such a contender could derive a claim as being half-sister's son of Carl Knudsen (Charles), regnant count of Flanders. (He is son of Edel, that's not at issue.)
Secondly, the said contender was not widely accepted in Flanders.
Thirdly, there was at the time also some suspicion about the contender. Being impostor or whatnot.
The contender Arnulf/Ulf/?? is not counted among the counts who reigned Flanders.
Several publications have expressed doubt of the maternity of those two girls. And a real treatise was published about the issue; its author arrived to accept the maternity.
His name was Arnold or Arnulf, and he is explicitly described as son of
Count Charles' elder sister in Flandria generosa ("Arnoldum scilicet,
nepotem Karoli ex sorore eius primogenita"). He is described as nephew
of Charles by Walter of Thérouanne when he presented himself as a
candidate to Loius VI at Arras in March 1127 ("plures, qui sibi
comitatum terre nostre competere assererent, Arnulfus scilicet nepos
domni Karoli, Balduinus Montensis, et prefati Guillelmi, qui iam partem
terre nostre prelibatam violenter tenebat, nuntii frequentes hoc ipsum
expetentes ad regem venissent"). Galbert of Bruges also called him
nephew of Charles when the citizens of Saint-Omer did homage to him in
opposition to William Clito of Normany ("At cives subintroduxerant
Arnoldum, nepotem Karoli consulis, et hominia ei fecerant et
securitates, si forte perduraret comes novus in injusta obsidione, ad
illum Arnoldum se converterent").
These sources and the perfectly cogent narrative behind them, augmented
by Saxo Grammaticus relating that Adela left twin daughters behind in
1092 ("regina patriam cum filio impubere repetit, geminis post se
relictis filiabus" - named as Ingertha and Caecilia) are not to be
turned into nonsense by suggesting that he might have been a concubine's
son and not Adela's, no matter what "several publications" have proposed.
Medieval genealogy does not pivot on make-weight expressions of doubt
where none is warranted.