Listons, Alstons, Alliston finding the DNA Link
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Following a DNA match with a Liston from Scotland with a TMRCA of between 600 and 900 years ago I am trying to find the links. The names I am researching are Liston, Alliston and Alston.

This is a draft of what I have so far. Now looking for the missing links if anyone has any information.

Alliston, Elliston and Alston are very much an East Anglian surname, Liston is more Scotland near Edinburgh

What I have researched so far:

Domesday Book:

Alestan holds Stambourne not far from Castle Hedingham in 1086 it is held invasio ( against the wishes of the King ). This could mean t is Alestan that is holding it or Hamo the registered holder.

Talbot holds Liston from Guernai

1163 Roger De Liston witnesses a charter by Richard Bishop of St Andrews

1185 Avicia De Liston daughter of Robert and widow of Godfrey the Chamberlain is confirmed her rights to make the wafers for the Kings coronation. She has a son, John of age.
The serjeancy of making the Kings wafers is inherited along with the manor of Liston and stays in the Liston family until the late 1300's when it is sold to Richard Lyons who is killed at the manor in the peasant revolt 12 June 1381

Richard I Feet of Fines Geoffrey son Godfrey buys land at Stanfeld, Suffolk a couple of miles from Liston

1212 John De Liston held "per serjantariam faciendi canestellos" or "wafres"

1224 John son od Adam De Alliston sells land at Stansfeld Suffolk

1226 Godfrey De Liston is found holding by the service of making them "ad coronacionem domini Regis" but the Inq. p.m. on Godfre De Liston in 1267 returns him as holding the manor "by servce of making wafers when the King wears teh crown at the Kings cost"
King S Sergeants and Officers Cb: Kings & Sergeants
By J. Horace Round

Godfrey also held lands in Witham by the serjeancy of carrying flour to make the wafers (the history and topography of Essex)

1250 Henry III Godfrey De Liston is ordered to buy six hundred Pike and let 100 of them be put into the Kings pond at Westminster to tock those ponds

1250's Godfrey de Liston, bailiff of Cookham, Berkshire, to Henry de Hengham: the lands of Henry de Henneye.

1255 Fine Roll C 60/53 Henry III 30 Oct. Westminster. Concerning wardships of the king’s castle of Windsor which have been committed. The king has committed to Godfrey de Liston’ custody of the wards, rents and and all other things belonging to the king’s castle of Windsor outside the body of the same castle for as long as it pleases the king so that he is to answer for the issues of the same at the Exchequer. Order to the same Godfrey to receive the custody of them, as aforesaid.

1256 Patent Roll May, Reading. Mandate to the justices next in eyre for please of the forest in the county of Berks, to reynold le Forester of teh forest of Windsor, and to Godfrey de Liston to cause the letter to be observed.

1267 Godfrey De Liston dies and his estate goes to his son Sir John De Liston

Edward I The family of Alston is upon record so early as the reign of Edward I when ” William Allston, of Stisted, in Essex, for want of warranty of Brocks-croft, in Stisted, did grant and confirm to John de Carpenter, of Naylinghurst, so much of the better land in Stisted, except his mansion-house there. In the time of Edward III Hugh Alston bore for arms, * asure, ten stars, or, four, three, two, one ; ‘ which was long before coat armour was granted by patent.” John Alston, of Newton, in Suffolk, descended from the above-mentioned William, of Stisted, was father of William Alston, of Newton, who had by Ann his wife, daughter of Thomas Symons, a son and heir, Edward or Edmund Alston, of Saxham Hall, in Newton, who m. Elizabeth, daughter of John Cole-man, and had two sons, viz. Henry and Robert Alston are also mentioned in the Botule (?) Hundredorum as having land at Fulbourn Cambridgeshire.(Cresswel, 1898)

1296 John De Liston is ordered to do military service for the defence of the sea coast for holding lands in Essex. He is unfit for service


Edward II 25 William Alston of Ixnyng and Margaret his wife v. Henry Alston of Ixnyng in Ixnyng (Exning near Newmarket) a bit further away but still in the same area as Stansfeld and Cambridge.

1320 Hugo ( Hugh ) Alston flees to Scotland with Hamilton after Hamilton Kill Earl Spencer
According to a seventeenth-century tradition the ancestor of the Scottish Alstons fled to Scotland from England during the reign of Edward II (1302-1327), as a retainer of Hamilton ( William De Hambleden ), who had killed Lord Spencer in a duel. Hamilton was pursued and to escape he disguised himself as a sawyer. Alston rode on with Hamilton's clothes and horses, acting as a decoy. This incident, according to the story, is the origin of the Hamilton crest: an oak tree being cut by a frame-saw.

1332 John De Liston dies and leaves Liston to his son John by his wife Maud. This John marries Elizabeth daughter of William Carbonell.

1332 Charter of Eleanor wife of John de Liston. ( http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/strelley.shtml )

Eleanor's husband John de Liston died shortly before 17 October 1332, leaving a son and heir John, aged 22 [Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 7, no 451]. The younger John died in 1349, leaving a son John who had been born in 1337 [Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 9, no 349; vol. 10, no 392], who in turn died in 1359, leaving as heir his uncle William de Liston, aged 30 and more [Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 10, nos 473, 551]. In fact William must have been well over 30 years old, as his son and heir Thomas was born around 1341 [Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem, vol. 12, no 151].
Other lands held by Sir William de Creye were later in the hands of the Liston family. The inquisition post mortem of Eleanor's husband John mentions a son of John and Eleanor named Thomas, presumably the same Thomas de Lystone who in 1346 was holding with others half a knight's fee in the hundred of Rokesley, Kent, formerly held by William de Crey [Archaeologia Cantiana, vol. 10, pp. 156, 157]. The inquisition also notes that John held lands in Ramsden Crays, Essex, as of the inheritance of Eleanor, and in 1330 a plea was pending between the king and Sir John de Liston concerning the advowson of Ramsden Crays [Calendar of Close Rolls, 1330-1333, p. 89]. Evidently this property, including the advowson, passed eventually to his son William [Calendar of Close Rolls, 1360-1364, pp. 527-8].
Eleanor's seal shows three shields of arms. At the top in the photograph above are the arms of Liston (vert ten bezants). At the bottom right are the arms of Sir William de Creye (gules a cross engrailed or, over all a bend azure), who bore the arms of Creye with a bend for difference [N. H. Nicolas, ed., A Roll of Arms, of the Reign of Edward the Second, p. 24 (1829)]. The arms at the bottom left appear to be those of the Trailly family (or a cross between four martlets gules). Comparison of the arrangement with that of similar seals and chronological considerations suggest that Eleanor's father may have been a Trailly, and her mother a daughter of Sir William de Creye.

NOTE: The coat of arms of Ealeanor de Liston are very similar to those in use by the Alstons later.

1341 Alston in Oxford from this story (EDITED BY REV. H. E. SALTER, 1917)
A woman named Alice fitz-Ralph obtained a writ from the king that she should receive her maintenance for life at the Hospital. Our information is derived from the Patent Roll of 15 Edward III, where we read that Alice on payment of twenty shillings obtained from the king that her complaint should be tried by a commission. She seems to have had difficulty in framing her complaint correctly, and it was first drawn up on May 1st, and amended on May 8th and July 3rd . Her statement was that Adam, master of the Hospital of St. John, Henry de Stodeleye, John le Peyntor, John Peggy, Richard Selwode, John Alston, John Norton, and others assaulted her in a suburb of Oxford, imprisoned her, afterwards veiled her face, brought her by night so veiled and imprisoned to a street there, threw her into a filthy place, took from her a writ under the privy seal addressed to the master of the Hospital that she should have her sustenance in the Hospital for life at the king's request, took her goods at Oxford and at Shaldeswell, and carried them away. We gather from this that she was a native of Shaldeswell (i. e. Shelswell), and as the residents of Oxford who took part in the assault are known to have been men of high position and the leading men of the town, we may guess that they represented public opinion and that the general feeling was that Alice was unfit to be admitted to the Hospital. We also notice that the writ she received was under the privy seal, which explains why the Close Rolls, of which there are calendars from 1270s for the next hundred years, give none of the writs which nominated women to be received in the Hospital. We do not know what was the result of the inquiry.

1342 John Coggeshale and Robert Bourchier both fought under Bohun in 1342/43 as did John and Thomas Liston. ( JohnHawkwood an English Mercenary in 14th century Intaly by William Caferro )

1343 638. Mich. John de Wauton, 'chivaler,' and Elizabeth his wife and John their elder son, pi. by John de Depeden in place of Elizabeth ami by the same as guardian of John the son. Thomas de Preston, vicar of Reydon, John de Alston, ' clerk,' and Avice his wife, def. 19 acres of land in Great Perndon PI. and the heirs of John the son to hold of the chief lords. Cons. 20 marks.

1346 Battle of Crecy (John fighting under De Vere their Feudal Lord)

1349 John dies and is succeeded by his son.

1359 The son dies and is succeeded by his uncle William.

1367 Joan Widow of William De Liston was returned as making wafers for the Kings Coronation.

1367 Joan dies and her son Thomas inherits who sells the estate to Richard Lyons whose servant was Wat Tyler leads the peasants revolt, killing Richard Lyons.

Henry IV Feet of Fines Thomas Alleston sells land at Cambridge to John Castre of London

1399 Hugo De lston is named in a charter ( Scotland)

1415 A Hugh Austyn or Allstyn (Essex) is recorded as being an Archer for Richard De Vere in the French Expedition which resulted in the battle of Agincourt. (Henley Business School, 2014) ( National Archives 101/46/36 )
Some Geneological sites list Hugh as being married to Elizabeth but give no reference.

1425 Hugo De Alston dies (Scotland) Dominus de Candor (Lord of Candor). Hugo's heir was his only daughter, Margaret, who married one of the Hamiltons of Cadzow.

1430 John Alston Born (Creswel 1898 )

c1440 Thomas Alston b about 1440 of Sudbury Will proved (Arch Sud) 1469 married Isabel 1469
The will mentions a brother William

1480 WILLIAM, yeoman c1480-1556 (will ERO 110 BW 10),
wives 1) Margaret, was wife in 1511 and 1515,
2) Elizabeth, was wife in 1528, 3) Alys, was wife in 1556

1) ROBERT (nothing else known), alive in 1528 (land records (ERO D/DMA M4-M57); could be the Robert living at Earls Colne in the 1550s (“fined for answering back the watch when told to put out his candle and go to bed”; wife fined for selling drink on the Sabbath). No indication of children.
2) William, linen draper, alive in 1528 (D/DMA M10), (will dated 1578), Joan was wife in 1538, bought Hopwell Farm, 1575, left to son Edward.
1) Elizabeth m. 1569 CH John Bedell, he died 1600 (will D/ABW 6/78)
2) Mathew the Elder, died 1625 (will PCC 45 Clarke), m. 1570, wife Anne Wighte
3) Joseph m Alice bu CH 1587, will 1586 (ERO 109 MW 2), only son Joseph bu 1589
4) John m. Joan Payne 1577 CH, was in Chelmsford 1586 (deed)

I THINK THIS IS MY LINE but the 1578 births page in the parish records has been destroyed ( St Nicholas )

5) Edward bap 1559 CH m. Agnes Purcas 1588 Great Yeldham (also called Anne), inherited Hopwell Farm in 1578, died 1620 (will ERO 31 MW 2), hers 1635 ERO 246 MW2.

3) GEORGE of St Botolph, Agnes was wife in 1540, died CH 1571 (will PROB11/53) , Mayor of Sudbury in 1564, Burgess from before 1554 to 1568 when he resigned to go to London.

4) LAWRENCE -of Colchester m. dau of John Jenkyn, may be buried CH 1578
Mentioned in the 15th Earl Of Oxfords Will as a Yeoman (THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES C 142/136/12 ) and in a document granting him a lifetimes use of Manors in Cornwall by the Earl. ( PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE WARD 8/13 )

A copy of several of the documents relating to the Alliston/Alstons and the De Veres can be seen at: http://www.oxford-shakespeare.com.

6) JOHN (searcher of woollen cloth (Sudbury town book), clothier (Morant), mayor of Sudbury twice), m Margaret Fisher, step-dau of Richard Goulding, John died 1588 (will).

7) Gilbert m. Alice Randall, Acton 1558, he died 1613 Sudbury, Alice bur 1562 Acton, 2nd wife 1610.

8) Hyeue (Hugh) or Eyan, not mentioned in William’s Hedingham property deals, Sergeant of Sudbury 1568-72 (1568 paid fee for tennis court, Sudbury town book)

In Scotland


The family of Liston has been one of distinction in the south east of Scotland from time immemorial.

Tradition says that the progenitor was a Norman who came to this country with William the conqueror, and tirst settled in Essex, where the family anciently possessed lands, still designated ' Liston
Manor.' Coming down to Scotland, at the time of one of the English invasions, and seeing the fertility of the Lothians,

some of them are said to have settled there. The first of the surname which we have seen mentioned is one Roger de Listona, whose name appears as witness to a charter of Richard, Bishop of St. Andrew's (anno) 1165—78, and also to a charter of Hugh, Bishop of St. .Andrews, 117S —

Reginald de Listona witnesses a charter of Earl David, brother to King William the Lion, 1189— 1214; and Robert de Liston, chaplain, was also witness to a charter of William, Bishop of St. .Andrews from 1202—1233

Thomas de Listoun, is mentioned in 1334 ; Symon de Lystone was a notary public 1410—13 ; William, of Hundby, was Serjeand of the Burgh of Edinburgh in 14S3, and John, Vicar of Glammis, was provost of St. Salvator's College 1488— 92,
professor of Theology 1496, and envoy to Denmark in 1491.

Thomas Liston was a doniinican monk at Perth in 1549, David a monk at New bottle in 1582.

The family seems also to have been connected with Linlithgowshire from very early times. John de Listoun witnesses
a deed at Linlithgow in 1440, anti the names of places in this county, such as ' Listonshiels,' ' Kirkliston," and ' Overnewliston,' seem to imply that the Listons have in times past been large landowners in that district.

The immediate ancestor of the funily in question is WILLIAM LISTON, who held the lands of Overnewliston in Linlithgowshire in the days of Oueen Mary. He had
three sons, viz. (i.) Patrick his heir: (ii.) Walter of Muirend, who had three sons, Patrick, Walter, and john ; and (iii.)
William, minister of the Gospel, fled to Ireland in troublous times and died, leaving a son William (Possibly Kenneths Ancestor).
2017-05-20 22:05:01 UTC
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William Alliston b. 1480 was Yeoman to De Vere 13th Earl of Oxford and received payment in the 13th Earls will.