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Ferrers, Ensor, Endesore, Endesovere
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Robert Harney
2006-02-05 17:22:24 UTC
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I would be most grateful if anyone searching the Ferrers family of
Tamworth would, if they have access to wills, property records etc of
the 13th and 14th centuries, examine them for any references to Ensor
(variously spelled Endesore and Ednesovere). Dugdale, Antiquities of
Warwickshire, thought the Ensors may have been stewards/sub-tenants
of the Ferrers because of a shared element of their arm. bearings,
viz., horseshoes.
Robert H
London
Clive West
2006-02-06 22:18:52 UTC
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Dear Robert,

In case it is of interest, you may like to know that there was a family link
between Hugh de Meynell, seneschal of William Ferrers, Earl of Derby in the
mid 13th century and a Thomas Ednesor/Ensor.

Amongst the children of Geoffrey le Savage (d. 1230) and his wife Pernel le
Despenser were William, Philippa and Lucy. Philippa married Hugh de Meynell
of Meynell Langley, seneschal of William Ferrers. Her sister Lucy married
Thomas Ensor.(see Journal of the Derbyshire Archaeological Soc. Vol 2
1926/7. Article by SPH Statham p 314). In the Rydeware cartulary there is a
charter of 1253 by William Ferrers which is witnessed by Hugh de Meynell and
Thomas de Ednesevore amonst others. Hugh de Meynell also had horseshoes in
his coat of arms.

When William le savage (heir of Geoffrey) died in 1259 (see ipm) his heirs
were Philippa and his nephew Thomas Ensor (son of Thomas and Lucy). This
Thomas had sisters Joan and Amice. Joan married Sir Adam de Hertwell. This
couple had a son Sir Richard de Hertwell who together with Amice were the
heirs in 1285 (ipm) of Thomas Ensor junior.

It may also be relevant that the Domesday holder of the manor of Ednesor in
Derbyshire was Henry de Ferrers.

Regards,

CNW

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Subject: Ferrers, Ensor, Endesore, Endesovere
Post by Robert Harney
I would be most grateful if anyone searching the Ferrers family of
Tamworth would, if they have access to wills, property records etc of the
13th and 14th centuries, examine them for any references to Ensor
(variously spelled Endesore and Ednesovere). Dugdale, Antiquities of
Warwickshire, thought the Ensors may have been stewards/sub-tenants of the
Ferrers because of a shared element of their arm. bearings, viz.,
horseshoes.
Robert H
London
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2006-02-06 23:10:49 UTC
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In a message dated 2/6/06 2:19:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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<< When William le savage (heir of Geoffrey) died in 1259 (see ipm) his heirs
were Philippa and his nephew Thomas Ensor (son of Thomas and Lucy). This
Thomas had sisters Joan and Amice. Joan married Sir Adam de Hertwell. This
couple had a son Sir Richard de Hertwell who together with Amice were the
heirs in 1285 (ipm) of Thomas Ensor junior. >>

I do not doubt that Thomas Ensor was son of Thomas and Lucy and heir to his
uncle who d 1259.
I also do not doubt that the heirs to Thomas Ensor junior with a Joan de
Hertwell and Amice

However what is your proof that they were sisters of Thomas Ensor rather than
perhaps first cousins?

Thanks
Will Johnson
Robert Harney
2006-02-07 02:54:25 UTC
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Will,
The original document states clearly that Amicia was SOROR PREDICTI
THOMAE and that Thomas had DUAS SORORES QUARUM UNA JOHANNA

Could there be better proof

Robert
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In a message dated 2/6/06 2:19:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
<< When William le savage (heir of Geoffrey) died in 1259 (see ipm) his heirs
were Philippa and his nephew Thomas Ensor (son of Thomas and
Lucy). This
Thomas had sisters Joan and Amice. Joan married Sir Adam de
Hertwell. This
couple had a son Sir Richard de Hertwell who together with Amice were the
heirs in 1285 (ipm) of Thomas Ensor junior. >>
I do not doubt that Thomas Ensor was son of Thomas and Lucy and heir to his
uncle who d 1259.
I also do not doubt that the heirs to Thomas Ensor junior with a Joan de
Hertwell and Amice
However what is your proof that they were sisters of Thomas Ensor rather than
perhaps first cousins?
Thanks
Will Johnson
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2018-05-07 03:14:25 UTC
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Post by Robert Harney
I would be most grateful if anyone searching the Ferrers family of
Tamworth would, if they have access to wills, property records etc of
the 13th and 14th centuries, examine them for any references to Ensor
(variously spelled Endesore and Ednesovere). Dugdale, Antiquities of
Warwickshire, thought the Ensors may have been stewards/sub-tenants
of the Ferrers because of a shared element of their arm. bearings,
viz., horseshoes.
Robert H
London
Dear Robert The Staffordshire Historical Collection Volume 4 written by George Wrottesley published London 1883 Roll between 66 and 68

Derbyshire Nicholas de Maur appeared against Hugh de Meynill the custos of Jeffrey son and heir of Adan de Ednesovere to warrent him a 1/3 part of 3 bovates of land in Brumic Olverston which Isolda widow of Adam de Ednesovere claimed as a dower against the said Nicholas. Hugh did not appear. The Sheriff therefore commanded to take into the Kings hand land of Hugh to the value of the dower claimed, and Hugh to be summoned to be at Huntingdon 15 days from St Martin.

Roll 67 is the record of proceeding before the same Justices of Hertford on the morrow of the close of Easter 32 H.111. it contains no Staffordshire suits.

The Peerage states the wife of Adam de Edensor son of Fulcher and Agnes was Sara fitz Ralph. Their sons were Richard and William. Sir Richard de Edensor son of Sara married Isolda de Grendon they lived at Edensor, Their son was Sir Adam de Edensor living in 1242 married Avice Sandiacre. There is no mention of a son named Geoffrey the only children mentioned were William and Loscia.

The Catalogue of the Harleian Manuscripts in the British Museum mention Simon de Ednesovere appellavit Henrici Bracton no. 817 Volume 1 p.448

Do your think they may be the link that leads to Thomas b.1475. I have found other possible links form the rolls which I will send Gloria
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