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C.P. Addition: Isabel de Steeton, wife of Robert Ughtred, Knt. [died 1310], and William de Roos, Knt., of Ingmanthorpe [died 1334]
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Douglas Richardson
2017-06-05 19:19:57 UTC
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Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage 11 (1949): 118–119 (sub Ros) has a good account of Sir William de Roos, of Ingmanthorpe (in Kirk Deighton), Yorkshire, who died in 1334. Regarding his marriage, the following information is given:

"He married, in 1310, Isabel, daughter and co-heiress (eventually heiress) of Richard, son of Richard de Steeton, niece and heiress of Sir Thomas de Steeton, and widow of Robert de Ughtred (died 1310), by whom she was mother of Thomas, 1st Lord Ughtred. He [William de Roos] died before 12 Nov. 1334. His widow was living in 1347." END OF QUOTE.

Elsewhere the online Discovery Catalogue lists two petitions by Isabel, then widow of William de Roos, of Ingmanthorpe to the king and council. The first one is dated by the archivist as being "between the death of the petitioner's husband in 1334 and the last recorded mention of her in 1348 (Complete Peerage)." Yet as we see above, Isabel is last mentioned by Complete Peerage as being alive in 1347, not 1348.

Also the petitioner's name is given by an archivist as Isabella in the first Discovery entry, but Isabel in the other. However, when the originals are checked, I find that her name is spelled Isabelle in one original and Isabel in the other. We see here once again where an archivist has resorted to a Latin name form, Isabella, when the vernacular form, Isabel, would have been much more suitable to use.

The second petition by Isabel is dated to 1348 "as the petition was transcribed by Matthew Hale who ascribed a date of 1348 to the group of petitions amongst which this belongs." Possibly this is how the other petition was dated c.1334-c.1348.

To date, I've located three Common Pleas lawsuits for Isabel de Steeton as widow of William de Roos as follows:

1. In Trinity term 1335 Isabel, widow of William de Ros, of Ingmanthorp, sued Master Simon de Stanes, clerk, and Simon his son regarding the third part of lands in Cattall Magna (in Hunsingore), Yorkshire, which she claimed as her dower.

Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/303, image 54f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/E3/CP40no303/aCP40no303fronts/IMG_0054.htm).

2. In Hilary term 1336 Isabel, widow of William le Ros, of Ingmanthorpe, sued William son of John Gra, of York, regarding land in Steeton (in Bolton-Percy), Yorkshire.

Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/305, image 572d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/E3/CP40no305/bCP40no305dorses/IMG_0572.htm).

See also Wrottesley, Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls (1905):29; Yorkshire Deeds 2 (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Recs. 50) (1914): 121.

3. In Michaelmas term 1361 Thomas Ughtred, Knt. sued [?Amice] Ughtred and William Gryvell, executors of the will of Isabel, widow of William de Roos, of Ingmanthorpe, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £100.

Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/407, image 31f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/E3/CP40no407/aCP40no407fronts/IMG_0031.htm).

Reviewing the above, we see that Isabel de Steeton had lawsuits in 1335 and 1336. She was living as late as 1348 (date of her petition). Isabel died testate sometime before Michaelmas term 1361, when her son and heir, Sir Thomas Ughtred, sued her executors.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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Source: Online Discovery catalogue

1. Reference: SC 8/138/6853

Description:
Petitioners: Isabella Roos (Ros), widow of William de Roos of Ingmanthorp.
Name(s): Roos (Ros), Isabella
Addressees: King and council.
Nature of request: Petition concerning rights to land.
Nature of endorsement: Let it be held over to the next parliament.
Places mentioned: Steeton, [West Riding of Yorkshire]; York.
People mentioned: William [Gra], son of John Gra of York; John Gra of York Thomas de Steneton (Steeton), uncle of the petitioner; William de Roos (Ros), husband of the petitioner.
Note: Datable between the death of the petitioner's husband in 1334 and the last recorded mention of her in 1348 (Complete Peerage).
Date: [c. 1334-c. 1348]


2. Reference: SC 8/171/8521

Description:
Petitioners: Isabel de Roos (Ros), widow of William de Roos of Ingmanthorpe.
Name(s): de Roos (Ros), Isabel
Addressees: King and council.
Nature of request: [The petition is damaged and the full sense of the petition is not clear].Roos requests that the roll of her plea for certain lands and tenements in Steventon be brought and viewed and considering the statute of W. . . that the justices go to judgment according to the effect of the statute. She brought a writ of formdon in reverter against York but he claimed that her uncle had granted the same lands to his father and called her to warranty.1)
Nature of endorsement: The bishop of Chichester, the earl of Devon, the earl of Huntingdon, lord Wake, Thomas de Berkeley are to be assigned by commission to determine the pleas that are sent into parliament out of the Bench.2) The record is to be brought into parliament, and the parties if they wish, and their arguments are to be heard, and let discussion be made.
Places mentioned: Ingmanthorpe, [West Riding of Yorkshire]; Steeton, [West Riding of Yorkshire].
People mentioned: William Deverwyk (York); Thomas de Steventon (Steeton), knight, uncle of the petitioner; John de Stonore (Stonor); [Robert Stratford], bishop of Chichester; [Hugh de Courtenay], Earl of Devon; [William de Clinton], Earl of Huntingdon; Lord Wake; Thomas de Berkeley.
Note: The petition is dated to 1348 as the petition was transcribed by Matthew Hale who ascribed a date of 1348 to the group of petitions amongst which this belongs (Rot. Parl., vol. II, p.195b (no.81)).
Date: [1348]
Related material:
For a related petition see SC 8/138/6853
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Language: French
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
Access conditions: Open on Transfer
Publication note:
Rotuli Parliamentorum; ut et Petitiones, et Placita in Parliamento, vol. II, Edw III p.195b (no.81) (full edition of later copy of original petition).
Douglas Richardson
2017-06-06 00:31:36 UTC
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Dear Newsgroup ~

Here's an additional legal action for Isabel de Steeton, widow of Sir William de Roos:

In Michaelmas 1341 Isabel, widow of William [de] Ros, of Ingmanthorpe, brought a writ of formedon in the reverter against W. Graa, of York, on which was pleaded in bar the feoffment of one Thomas, the demandant’s ancestor, with warranty.

Reference: Pike, Year Books of Edward III: Year XV 6 (Rolls Ser. 31b) (1891): 388–395, which may be viewed at the following weblink:

https://books.google.com/books?id=VL9KAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA388

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
John Watson
2017-06-06 08:08:48 UTC
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Dear Newsgroup ~
"He married, in 1310, Isabel, daughter and co-heiress (eventually heiress) of Richard, son of Richard de Steeton, niece and heiress of Sir Thomas de Steeton, and widow of Robert de Ughtred (died 1310), by whom she was mother of Thomas, 1st Lord Ughtred. He [William de Roos] died before 12 Nov. 1334. His widow was living in 1347." END OF QUOTE.
Elsewhere the online Discovery Catalogue lists two petitions by Isabel, then widow of William de Roos, of Ingmanthorpe to the king and council. The first one is dated by the archivist as being "between the death of the petitioner's husband in 1334 and the last recorded mention of her in 1348 (Complete Peerage)." Yet as we see above, Isabel is last mentioned by Complete Peerage as being alive in 1347, not 1348.
Also the petitioner's name is given by an archivist as Isabella in the first Discovery entry, but Isabel in the other. However, when the originals are checked, I find that her name is spelled Isabelle in one original and Isabel in the other. We see here once again where an archivist has resorted to a Latin name form, Isabella, when the vernacular form, Isabel, would have been much more suitable to use.
The second petition by Isabel is dated to 1348 "as the petition was transcribed by Matthew Hale who ascribed a date of 1348 to the group of petitions amongst which this belongs." Possibly this is how the other petition was dated c.1334-c.1348.
1. In Trinity term 1335 Isabel, widow of William de Ros, of Ingmanthorp, sued Master Simon de Stanes, clerk, and Simon his son regarding the third part of lands in Cattall Magna (in Hunsingore), Yorkshire, which she claimed as her dower.
Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/303, image 54f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/E3/CP40no303/aCP40no303fronts/IMG_0054.htm).
2. In Hilary term 1336 Isabel, widow of William le Ros, of Ingmanthorpe, sued William son of John Gra, of York, regarding land in Steeton (in Bolton-Percy), Yorkshire.
Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/305, image 572d (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT1/E3/CP40no305/bCP40no305dorses/IMG_0572.htm).
See also Wrottesley, Pedigrees from the Plea Rolls (1905):29; Yorkshire Deeds 2 (Yorkshire Arch. Soc. Recs. 50) (1914): 121.
3. In Michaelmas term 1361 Thomas Ughtred, Knt. sued [?Amice] Ughtred and William Gryvell, executors of the will of Isabel, widow of William de Roos, of Ingmanthorpe, in the Court of Common Pleas regarding a debt of £100.
Reference: Court of Common Pleas, CP40/407, image 31f (available at http://aalt.law.uh.edu/AALT4/E3/CP40no407/aCP40no407fronts/IMG_0031.htm).
Reviewing the above, we see that Isabel de Steeton had lawsuits in 1335 and 1336. She was living as late as 1348 (date of her petition). Isabel died testate sometime before Michaelmas term 1361, when her son and heir, Sir Thomas Ughtred, sued her executors.
Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah
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Source: Online Discovery catalogue
1. Reference: SC 8/138/6853
Petitioners: Isabella Roos (Ros), widow of William de Roos of Ingmanthorp.
Name(s): Roos (Ros), Isabella
Addressees: King and council.
Nature of request: Petition concerning rights to land.
Nature of endorsement: Let it be held over to the next parliament.
Places mentioned: Steeton, [West Riding of Yorkshire]; York.
People mentioned: William [Gra], son of John Gra of York; John Gra of York Thomas de Steneton (Steeton), uncle of the petitioner; William de Roos (Ros), husband of the petitioner.
Note: Datable between the death of the petitioner's husband in 1334 and the last recorded mention of her in 1348 (Complete Peerage).
Date: [c. 1334-c. 1348]
2. Reference: SC 8/171/8521
Petitioners: Isabel de Roos (Ros), widow of William de Roos of Ingmanthorpe.
Name(s): de Roos (Ros), Isabel
Addressees: King and council.
Nature of request: [The petition is damaged and the full sense of the petition is not clear].Roos requests that the roll of her plea for certain lands and tenements in Steventon be brought and viewed and considering the statute of W. . . that the justices go to judgment according to the effect of the statute. She brought a writ of formdon in reverter against York but he claimed that her uncle had granted the same lands to his father and called her to warranty.1)
Nature of endorsement: The bishop of Chichester, the earl of Devon, the earl of Huntingdon, lord Wake, Thomas de Berkeley are to be assigned by commission to determine the pleas that are sent into parliament out of the Bench.2) The record is to be brought into parliament, and the parties if they wish, and their arguments are to be heard, and let discussion be made.
Places mentioned: Ingmanthorpe, [West Riding of Yorkshire]; Steeton, [West Riding of Yorkshire].
People mentioned: William Deverwyk (York); Thomas de Steventon (Steeton), knight, uncle of the petitioner; John de Stonore (Stonor); [Robert Stratford], bishop of Chichester; [Hugh de Courtenay], Earl of Devon; [William de Clinton], Earl of Huntingdon; Lord Wake; Thomas de Berkeley.
Note: The petition is dated to 1348 as the petition was transcribed by Matthew Hale who ascribed a date of 1348 to the group of petitions amongst which this belongs (Rot. Parl., vol. II, p.195b (no.81)).
Date: [1348]
For a related petition see SC 8/138/6853
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Language: French
Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
Access conditions: Open on Transfer
Rotuli Parliamentorum; ut et Petitiones, et Placita in Parliamento, vol. II, Edw III p.195b (no.81) (full edition of later copy of original petition).
Dear Douglas,

Both petitions appear to have been made before May 1344: -

3 May 1344, To John de Stonore. Whereas a plea has long been pending before him and his fellows, justices of the Bench, by the king's writ, de forma donacionis, between Isabel late wife of William de Roos of Ingmanthorp, demandant, and William son of John Gra of York, tenant, concerning 16 messuages, 11 bovates, 8 acres of land and 3 acres of meadow in Steveton, and although the king several times ordered the justices to associate themselves with the chancellor, justiciary and others of the council, and after viewing the statute de formis donacionum to proceed to the final discussion of that affair without delay, yet for some insufficient causes, it is said, they have not cared to execute that order hitherto: the king therefore orders John to cause the tenor of the process of that affair held before him and his fellows to come before the king and his council in the next parliament at Westminster, so that after it has been examined what pertains to the law and custom of the realm may be ordained for the final discussion thereof without further prosecution.
Calendar of Close Rolls, Edward III, vol. 7: 1343-1346 (1904), 365.

Regards,

John
Douglas Richardson
2017-06-07 01:41:54 UTC
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Thanks John for posting this additional record regarding Isabel de Steeton. Much appreciated.

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

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