I have set out below a copy of some Lucy-Boulogne notes which I posted earlier. These notes are meant as a discussion piece rather than purporting to establish any genealogical facts, which remain elusive. As always, I encourage and welcome any comments, criticisms or suggestions for further research – whether privately by e-mail (pdale(at)peterdale(dot)com) or via this forum. Thank you.
Arguments for a Sibling or Close Relationship between Sir Richard de Lucy’s wife Rose and Pharamus de Boulogne:
1. Godfrey de Lucy, son of Richard de Lucy, referred to Pharamus as his “uncle” in a charter confirmation .
2. There is nothing that is known about Richard de Lucy’s family that suggests he is the point of relationship to Pharamus, i.e. they do not appear to have shared the same mother. At a close to contemporaneous time c. 1130/31 Richard is referenced in charters of Henry II with his mother Aveline  whereas Pharamus is referenced in the Pipe Rolls in connection with his deceased step-mother . There is, however, some debate regarding whether Pharamus’ step-mother was still alive. Unfortunately, a review of the original Pipe Roll evidence does not clarify this matter. The identity of Richard's father remains unknown. Presumably, Richard’s family originated in Luce in Normandy v. Boulogne (which, in any event, I would have expected to have been a more prominent name to possess). Richard's family (i.e. his mother’s) known landholdings were not Boulogne related. Richard held 19 knights’ fees in Normandy c. 1172. The property he owned of the old feoffment identified in the Black Book of the Exchequer was not held of the Honour of Boulogne .
3. Richard's (and presumably his wife Rose's - as there are no other wives identified in existing records) children were named: Geoffrey (a common name but may be named after Rose's proposed great-grandfather Geoffrey I de Mandeville, grandfather of the 1st Earl of Essex, or Rose’s proposed grandfather Geoffrey de Boulogne), Godfrey (a less common and clearly Boulogne family name, i.e. Godfrey of the 1st Crusade – Rose’s proposed great-uncle), Reginald, Rose (after her mother), Matilda (a very common name but still a Boulogne family name, i.e. Queen Matilda wife of King Stephen), Aveline (after Richard's mother) and Alice. Of course there may have been additional children that either did not survive to adulthood and/or are not included in the surviving written record.
4. Richard’s wife Rose died sometime before Queen Matilda’s death in 1152. Queen Matilda and her son and heir, Eustace, witnessed a notification by Richard that he had, “granted to the canons of Holy Trinity, London, in frank almoin, 20s. yearly rent from Niweton [Newington] for the soul of Roheis his wife, who is buried in their church…” (see A.2326 - http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64260) . Having no personal interest in Newington, Matilda and Eustace may have witnessed Richard’s charter as patrons of Holy Trinity, but also, possibly, because of familial ties. Apart from the year of her immediate succession as queen, when she witnessed around 15 charters, Matilda only witnessed three to four charters per year, so her attestation of Richard’s charter may be considered significant .
5. I reviewed ‘Families, Friends and Allies – Boulogne and Politics in Northern France and England, c. 879-1160’, (2004), by Heather J. Tanner. In its list of charters by William de Boulogne, son of King Stephen (pp. 319-24), I saw only 3 gifts of land to individuals (as opposed to religious institutions) being to Richard de Lucy and Pharamus (and to Ragniald castellan of Lille & his wife Matilda.
6. The Boulogne family favoured St. Martin le Grand in London. Godfrey de Lucy, son of Richard and Rose, was Dean of that institution  prior to becoming the Bishop of Winchester (1189-1204).
7. Richard de Lucy’s younger brother Robert was married to Emma de Sackville whose father Robert was the Steward of the English lands of the Counts of Boulogne. Robert de Lucy also held Honour of Boulogne property including Chrishall, Essex under Richard de Lucy .
Arguments Against a Sibling or Close Relationship
1. The identity of both Richard de Lucy’s father and Pharamus’ mother remains unknown. This leaves room for other possibilities for the “uncle” relationship between Godfrey de Lucy and Pharamus. In addition, the relationship may have been via a sister or half-sister of Richard or his wife Rose or, alternatively, a relationship not yet speculated, i.e. not a blood relationship.
2. Richard and Pharamus did not witness each other’s charters.
3. There is no conventionally established maritagium of Boulogne family land in Richard’s land holdings. The Boulogne family property that he held appears to have been acquired later.
4. Pharamus employed different family names from Richard and Rose.
Who is Richard de Boulogne and is he Related to the Lucy Family
1. J. H. Round in Geoffrey de Mandeville proposed that a Richard de Boulogne may be a brother of Pharamus .
2. Richard de Boulogne (d. c. 1139-47, a canon at St. Martin le Grand, London, and father of Robert and Bernard de Boulogne, both likewise canons at St. Martin le Grand) [9A] and Richard de Lucy both witnessed a number of charters of Queen Matilda in both France and England .
3. Pharamus witnessed a charter of Queen Matilda to the Abbey of Clairmarais [10A]. Richard de Lucy and Richard de Boulogne both likewise witnessed charters of Queen Matilda to this abbey 
4. Eustace de Boulogne, cleric, (‘Eustachio clerico de Bol.’) and Richard de Boulogne, cleric, (‘Ricardo clerico de Balon’) witnessed Richard de Lucy’s charter granting the church of Lesnes to Holy Trinity Priory Aldgate (“HTPA”) and a ‘Robert the Clerk’ (Rob'o Cl'ico.), possibly the son of Richard de Boulogne (who was, like his father, a canon at St. Martin le Grand [9A]), witnessed Richard de Lucy’s charter granting 20 shillings rent in Newington, Kent annually to HTPA in memory of his wife Rose [10B].
5. Richard de Boulogne held property in Witham and Chrishall, Essex and elsewhere of the Honour of Boulogne .
6. A Baldwin de Boulogne [9A] and his brother Eustace witnessed Queen Matilda’s grant of the church of Witham to St. Martin le Grand, London. It is proposed that Eustace is a previously identified brother of Pharamus  and Baldwin is a proposed brother of them both. Note that Richard de Lucy also witnessed said grant .
7. Richard de Lucy was granted Chrishall, among other properties of the Honour of Boulogne, by King Stephen (charter unknown) which was later confirmed by his son William .
 ‘English Episcopal Acta III – Canterbury 1193-1205’, (1986), edited by C. R. Cheney and Eric John, #545, p. 201-02.
 ‘Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum 1066-1154’, (1956), Vol. II, Regesta Henrici Primi 1100-1135, edited by Charles Johnson and H. A. Cronne, pp. 247, 249.
 Pipe Roll Society NS57, pp. 38-40.
 ‘The Red Book of the Exchequer, Volume 2’, (1896, 2012), edited by Hubert Hall, p. 639.
‘Liber Niger, Volume I’, (1774), by William Worcester, edited by Thomas Hearne, pp. 234-35, Charter of Richard de Lucy.
 Lansdowne 203, f. 19v., Number 5 (c. between March 14, 1148 and May 3, 1152).
 ‘Families, Friends and Allies – Boulogne and Politics in Northern France and England, c. 879-1160’, (2004), by Heather J. Tanner, ch. 5, p. 208, fn. 123.
 Colleges: St Martin le Grand, Pages 555-566, A History of the County of London: Volume 1, London Within the Bars, Westminster and Southwark. Originally published by Victoria County History, London, 1909. (source: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/london/vol1/pp555-566)
 (http://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/00880212), (http://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/00880214), (http://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/00880215), (http://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/00880213), (http://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/00880219)
Note, notwithstanding the proposed dating above, there is no evidence identified to date which supports Robert de Lucy holding Chrishall, Essex in a period prior to it being granted to his brother Richard de Lucy.
‘Liber Niger, Volume I’, (1774), by William Worcester, edited by Thomas Hearne, pp. 389-90.
 ‘Geoffrey de Mandeville, A Study of the Anarchy’, (1892), by J. H. Round, p. 120.
[9A] ‘Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum 1066-1154’, (1968), Vol. III, Regesta Regis Stephani AC Mathildis Imperatricis AC Gaufridi et Henrici Ducum Normannorum, 1135-1154, edited by H. A. Cronne and R. H. C. Davis, pp. xi-xii (Baldwin, Richard and Robert).
 ‘Registrum Roffense: or, A Collection of Antient Records, Charters, and Instruments of Divers Kinds’, (1769), by John Thorpe, pp. 325, 327.
‘Flanders’, Pages 481-505, Calendar of Documents Preserved in France 918-1206. Originally published by Her Majesty's Stationery Office, London, 1899.
The ‘Chartae galliae’ (http://www.cn-telma.fr/chartae-galliae/index/) website has the following entries, among others, under the search terms “de luci” for the period up to 1180: (source: http://www.cn-telma.fr/chartae-galliae/charte201158/), (source: http://www.cn-telma.fr/chartae-galliae/charte212355/)
‘Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum 1066-1154’, (1968), Vol. III, Regesta Regis Stephani AC Mathildis Imperatricis AC Gaufridi et Henrici Ducum Normannorum, 1135-1154, edited by H. A. Cronne and R. H. C. Davis, provides the following references to certain individuals named ‘de Boulogne’ – Baldwin (clerk), Eustace (brother of Baldwin), Faramus, Richard (clerk, canon at St. Martin le Grand, London, father of Robert, d. c. 1139-47), Robert (son of Richard, canon at St. Martin le Grand, London) and Bosoher: pp. xi-xii (Baldwin, Richard and Robert), pp. 9-10 (Richard and Richard de Luci), p. 44 (Richard and Baldwin), pp. 72-73 (Richard and Richard de Lucy), p. 87 (Richard), pp. 97-99 (Faramus and Richard de Lucy), pp. 102-03 (Faramus and Richard de Lucy), p. 110 (Robert), pp. 152-53 (Richard), pp. 195-96 (Richard), p. 198 (Robert son of Richard), p. 199 (Richard), p. 200 (Richard, Baldwin and his brother Eustace and Richard de Lucy), pp. 204-205 (Richard, Robert and Boshoher).
‘University of Toronto Libraries, Deeds – Documents of Early England Data Set’, provides the following charters referencing Robert de Boulogne and a Bernard de Boulogne: (source: http://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/02420076), (source: http://deeds.library.utoronto.ca/charters/02420078)
[10A] ‘Faramus of Boulogne’, (1896), by J. H. Round, from ‘The Genealogist’, n. s. xii, p. 147, fn. 2.
‘L’Abbaye de Clairmarais d’apres ses archives’, (1864) by Henri de Laplane, pp. 315-16.
[10B] Cartae Antiquae Rolls 11-20, no 403.
 See ‘Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum 1066-1154’, (1968), Vol. III, Regesta Regis Stephani AC Mathildis Imperatricis AC Gaufridi et Henrici Ducum Normannorum, 1135-1154, edited by H. A. Cronne and R. H. C. Davis, charters #539, 541 and 553, in footnote #10 above.
 ‘Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands – A prosopography of medieval European noble and royal families, NORTHERN FRANCE, nobility’.
‘Monasticon Anglicanum: A New Edition’, Vol. 6 – Part II, by John Caley, Sir Henry Ellis and Rev. Bulkeley Bandinel. – ‘Monasticon Anglicanum: A History of the Abbies and other Monasteries…in England and Wales’, (1846), Vol. 6 – Part II, p. 1017.
 See ‘Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum 1066-1154’, (1968), Vol. III, Regesta Regis Stephani AC Mathildis Imperatricis AC Gaufridi et Henrici Ducum Normannorum, 1135-1154, edited by H. A. Cronne and R. H. C. Davis, charter #541, in footnote #10 above.
 Charter for Richard de Lucy, Regesta Regum Anglo-Normannorum, vol. 3, no 569.
‘Early Yorkshire Charters’, Volume 8: The Honour of Warenne, (1949, 2013), edited by William Farrer and Charles Travis Clay, pp. 47-49, Appendix C. Charters of William son of King Stephen, Fourth Earl of Warenne.