2007-12-21 07:10:17 UTC
we see the pedigree for that Herbert Palmer, esq who married Dorothy
Pincheon and were parents to Thomas Palmer 4th Baronet of Wingham,
Kent and perhaps a few thousand descendents.
Leo has Herbert Palmer's mother rightly as Elizabeth Shirley (or
Shurley) but with nothing further on her. I can now correct that.
Elizabeth Shirley was born in 1599 to John Shirley, Knt (knighted by
1608) of Isfield (aka Iffield), Sussex by his wife (and possibly
cousin) Anne Shirley daughter of Thomas Shirley, Knt of Wiston.
I do note the problematic placement of Thomas Shirley Knt of Wiston.
I have no solution as yet for that.
John Shirley, Knt of Isfield was the son of Thomas Shirley of Isfield
by his wife Anne Pelham the daughter of Nicholas Pelham, Knt of
After his first wife Anne Shirley died (between 1603 and 1607), John
Shirley married secondly at Cuckfield Church on 16 Mar 1607 as her
second husband to Dorothy Goring, the daughter of George Goring of
Ovingdeane and Danny Park; Sheriff of Sussex and Surrey by his wife
Mary Everard "eldest daughter" of William Everard of Albourne, Sussex.
Dorothy was the relict of Henry Bowyer Knt of Cuckfield who had d.s.p.
23 May 1606
For more connections, by his first wife, John Shirley was the father
of that Jane Shirley who married firstly Sir Walter Covert of
Slougham, Sussex (dead by 1642), and secondly as his second wife in
1642 to Denzil Holles, Baron Holles (born 31 Oct 1599) "second son" of
John Holles, 1st Earl Clare by his wife Anne Stanhope
John Shirley died 25 Apr 1631 and his last wife Dorothy (Goring) died
1640, there is an tomb and MI at Shurley Chancel, Isfield.
I am fairly confident that Herbert Palmer's Shirley/Pelham ancestry
can be traced back further, but I wanted to share with you all my
progress on this startling, amazing and new identification for Leo and