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Possible 19th Century Gateway - Henry Maiben to James Stewart II, King of Scotland
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2015-11-06 00:05:48 UTC
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Folks,



A 19th Century immigrant of mine, Henry Cater Maiben (1819-1883) , was from
Brighton, England. His family worked on coaches and painted, among other
things, the heraldic insignias of the coaches at the Brighton Pavilion. On
coming to Utah, he continued to paint and some of his original work can
still be seen in the Mormon Temple (a very significant work of 19th century
architecture) in Manti, UT. Additionally, the beehive, a state symbol of
Utah is also his work and was incorporated into the Utah state flag. His
music can also be found in early Deseret Hymnals (19th century Mormon Hymn
book). He was a member of the first Theatrical troop organized in Salt
Lake, the first ballet master into the territory... That's the introduction.



19th Century Mormon Gateways to nobility appear to be very rare. In a
short bio of his brother John, written at John's death, it is stated the
family Maiben was descended from the McBean/McBain/Mabon family of Stirling,
Scotland; with descent from the Stewarts. Indeed, the family originated
in Stirling - no doubt on that fact, but until recently, I've never seen a
line that connected the Maibens to the Stewarts to prove the family rumor
expressed in the stated bio. I've quoted the stated line below.



I'm going to tackle it, but thought it best to throw it to this readership
for an initial looksee at the earlier connections to see if it quickly
tumbles apart. Though it is not early American, it is indeed a possible
gateway to medieval nobility.



Henry Cater Maiben (1819-1883) m. Flora Louise Maddison

William Maiben (1788-1870) m. Catherine Williams Cater

Adam Maiben (b 1757, Stirling, d 1817), Scotland m. Sarah Osmer

Robert Maiben (1722-1763) m Elizabeth Toshack

David Toshack (1707-1753) m Janet Paterson

James Paterson (b c 1678) m. Marion Motheral

James Paterson (b c 1645) m. Isobell Provan

John Paterson (b c 1615) m. Jonnet Ker

Thomas (Sir) Ker (b c 1590) m. Margaret Ramsay

Andrew Ker (1562-1631) m Anne Stewart (1566-1670)

Andrew Stewart, Master of Ochiltree (1540-1578) m. ?

Andrew Stewart (2nd Lord of Ochiltree) m. Agnes Cunningham

Andrew Stewart (1490-1548) m Lady Margaret Hamilton (1505-1544)

James Hamilton 1st Earl of Arran (1470-1529) m. Beatrice Drummond

James Hamilton (1415-1488) m. Princess Mary Stewart

James Stewart II, King of Scotland



Just looking for a cursory view letting me know if it immediately falls
apart.



Cheers,

Kevan
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2015-11-13 00:23:14 UTC
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The first problem is that according to Scots Peerage, vol. V, pp. 75-76, Andrew Kerr, Lord Jedburgh, and his wife, Anna Stewart, had only one son, Andrew, who died without issue. Is there some evidence to tie Sir Thomas Kerr to them?
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2015-11-13 22:49:12 UTC
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You understand it as I do. I took the line and moved forward in time
knowing that good proven sources are more readily available in published
form. I couldn't come any farther forward than you have. I'm trying to
get in touch with the author of the line, but have not yet succeeded.

Interestingly, Sir Thomas Kerr's wife has a "line" to Robert the Bruce.
It too will have to be proven. Data is out of reach at the moment, but
will be shared when I can.

thank you kindly for your response,

Kevan

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The first problem is that according to Scots Peerage, vol. V, pp. 75-76,
Andrew Kerr, Lord Jedburgh, and his wife, Anna Stewart, had only one son,
Andrew, who died without issue. Is there some evidence to tie Sir Thomas
Kerr to them?
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2016-07-12 19:24:29 UTC
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Kevan,
I am so happy to find this information. Henry Maiben is my 3rd great grandfather :). I read somewhere else that he was the one who designed the Utah Beehive, but I haven't been able to find a source to mark it as fact - Do you have the source for this? How exciting! I'm looking forward to hear from you!

Cara
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Folks,
A 19th Century immigrant of mine, Henry Cater Maiben (1819-1883) , was from
Brighton, England. His family worked on coaches and painted, among other
things, the heraldic insignias of the coaches at the Brighton Pavilion. On
coming to Utah, he continued to paint and some of his original work can
still be seen in the Mormon Temple (a very significant work of 19th century
architecture) in Manti, UT. Additionally, the beehive, a state symbol of
Utah is also his work and was incorporated into the Utah state flag. His
music can also be found in early Deseret Hymnals (19th century Mormon Hymn
book). He was a member of the first Theatrical troop organized in Salt
Lake, the first ballet master into the territory... That's the introduction.
19th Century Mormon Gateways to nobility appear to be very rare. In a
short bio of his brother John, written at John's death, it is stated the
family Maiben was descended from the McBean/McBain/Mabon family of Stirling,
Scotland; with descent from the Stewarts. Indeed, the family originated
in Stirling - no doubt on that fact, but until recently, I've never seen a
line that connected the Maibens to the Stewarts to prove the family rumor
expressed in the stated bio. I've quoted the stated line below.
I'm going to tackle it, but thought it best to throw it to this readership
for an initial looksee at the earlier connections to see if it quickly
tumbles apart. Though it is not early American, it is indeed a possible
gateway to medieval nobility.
Henry Cater Maiben (1819-1883) m. Flora Louise Maddison
William Maiben (1788-1870) m. Catherine Williams Cater
Adam Maiben (b 1757, Stirling, d 1817), Scotland m. Sarah Osmer
Robert Maiben (1722-1763) m Elizabeth Toshack
David Toshack (1707-1753) m Janet Paterson
James Paterson (b c 1678) m. Marion Motheral
James Paterson (b c 1645) m. Isobell Provan
John Paterson (b c 1615) m. Jonnet Ker
Thomas (Sir) Ker (b c 1590) m. Margaret Ramsay
Andrew Ker (1562-1631) m Anne Stewart (1566-1670)
Andrew Stewart, Master of Ochiltree (1540-1578) m. ?
Andrew Stewart (2nd Lord of Ochiltree) m. Agnes Cunningham
Andrew Stewart (1490-1548) m Lady Margaret Hamilton (1505-1544)
James Hamilton 1st Earl of Arran (1470-1529) m. Beatrice Drummond
James Hamilton (1415-1488) m. Princess Mary Stewart
James Stewart II, King of Scotland
Just looking for a cursory view letting me know if it immediately falls
apart.
Cheers,
Kevan
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2018-04-24 21:08:10 UTC
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Kevan,
I am so happy to find this information. Henry Maiben is my 3rd great grandfather :). I read somewhere else that he was the one who designed the Utah Beehive, but I haven't been able to find a source to mark it as fact - Do you have the source for this? How exciting! I'm looking forward to hear from you!
Cara
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Folks,
A 19th Century immigrant of mine, Henry Cater Maiben (1819-1883) , was from
Brighton, England. His family worked on coaches and painted, among other
things, the heraldic insignias of the coaches at the Brighton Pavilion. On
coming to Utah, he continued to paint and some of his original work can
still be seen in the Mormon Temple (a very significant work of 19th century
architecture) in Manti, UT. Additionally, the beehive, a state symbol of
Utah is also his work and was incorporated into the Utah state flag. His
music can also be found in early Deseret Hymnals (19th century Mormon Hymn
book). He was a member of the first Theatrical troop organized in Salt
Lake, the first ballet master into the territory... That's the introduction.
19th Century Mormon Gateways to nobility appear to be very rare. In a
short bio of his brother John, written at John's death, it is stated the
family Maiben was descended from the McBean/McBain/Mabon family of Stirling,
Scotland; with descent from the Stewarts. Indeed, the family originated
in Stirling - no doubt on that fact, but until recently, I've never seen a
line that connected the Maibens to the Stewarts to prove the family rumor
expressed in the stated bio. I've quoted the stated line below.
I'm going to tackle it, but thought it best to throw it to this readership
for an initial looksee at the earlier connections to see if it quickly
tumbles apart. Though it is not early American, it is indeed a possible
gateway to medieval nobility.
Henry Cater Maiben (1819-1883) m. Flora Louise Maddison
William Maiben (1788-1870) m. Catherine Williams Cater
Adam Maiben (b 1757, Stirling, d 1817), Scotland m. Sarah Osmer
Robert Maiben (1722-1763) m Elizabeth Toshack
David Toshack (1707-1753) m Janet Paterson
James Paterson (b c 1678) m. Marion Motheral
James Paterson (b c 1645) m. Isobell Provan
John Paterson (b c 1615) m. Jonnet Ker
Thomas (Sir) Ker (b c 1590) m. Margaret Ramsay
Andrew Ker (1562-1631) m Anne Stewart (1566-1670)
Andrew Stewart, Master of Ochiltree (1540-1578) m. ?
Andrew Stewart (2nd Lord of Ochiltree) m. Agnes Cunningham
Andrew Stewart (1490-1548) m Lady Margaret Hamilton (1505-1544)
James Hamilton 1st Earl of Arran (1470-1529) m. Beatrice Drummond
James Hamilton (1415-1488) m. Princess Mary Stewart
James Stewart II, King of Scotland
Just looking for a cursory view letting me know if it immediately falls
apart.
Cheers,
Kevan
Hi Carajo and kevan!

Henry Cater Maiben is my Great Great Grandfather! I'd love to know more about the beehive - it makes sense, since he was a designer/painter...do you have any source? Thanks!

Shannon Borg (my mother was Louise Jones Borg/grandfather William Jones/great grandmother Rosina Maiben Jones/great great grandfather Henry Cater Maiben)
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2018-04-24 21:40:18 UTC
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Folks,
A 19th Century immigrant of mine, Henry Cater Maiben (1819-1883) , was from
Brighton, England. His family worked on coaches and painted, among other
things, the heraldic insignias of the coaches at the Brighton Pavilion. On
coming to Utah, he continued to paint and some of his original work can
still be seen in the Mormon Temple (a very significant work of 19th century
architecture) in Manti, UT. Additionally, the beehive, a state symbol of
Utah is also his work and was incorporated into the Utah state flag. His
music can also be found in early Deseret Hymnals (19th century Mormon Hymn
book). He was a member of the first Theatrical troop organized in Salt
Lake, the first ballet master into the territory... That's the introduction.
19th Century Mormon Gateways to nobility appear to be very rare. In a
short bio of his brother John, written at John's death, it is stated the
family Maiben was descended from the McBean/McBain/Mabon family of Stirling,
Scotland; with descent from the Stewarts. Indeed, the family originated
in Stirling - no doubt on that fact, but until recently, I've never seen a
line that connected the Maibens to the Stewarts to prove the family rumor
expressed in the stated bio. I've quoted the stated line below.
I'm going to tackle it, but thought it best to throw it to this readership
for an initial looksee at the earlier connections to see if it quickly
tumbles apart. Though it is not early American, it is indeed a possible
gateway to medieval nobility.
Henry Cater Maiben (1819-1883) m. Flora Louise Maddison
William Maiben (1788-1870) m. Catherine Williams Cater
Adam Maiben (b 1757, Stirling, d 1817), Scotland m. Sarah Osmer
Robert Maiben (1722-1763) m Elizabeth Toshack
David Toshack (1707-1753) m Janet Paterson
James Paterson (b c 1678) m. Marion Motheral
James Paterson (b c 1645) m. Isobell Provan
John Paterson (b c 1615) m. Jonnet Ker
Thomas (Sir) Ker (b c 1590) m. Margaret Ramsay
Andrew Ker (1562-1631) m Anne Stewart (1566-1670)
Andrew Stewart, Master of Ochiltree (1540-1578) m. ?
Andrew Stewart (2nd Lord of Ochiltree) m. Agnes Cunningham
Andrew Stewart (1490-1548) m Lady Margaret Hamilton (1505-1544)
James Hamilton 1st Earl of Arran (1470-1529) m. Beatrice Drummond
James Hamilton (1415-1488) m. Princess Mary Stewart
James Stewart II, King of Scotland
Just looking for a cursory view letting me know if it immediately falls
apart.
Cheers,
Kevan
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Signed by Henry Maiben - "Drawn by Henry Maiben"

so cool! $5000!

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