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Revealed: The Inbreeding That Ruined The Hapsburgs
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D. Spencer Hines
2009-04-15 21:15:49 UTC
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As Renia previously noted in a drive-by post.
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The Motto of the Hapsburgs could best be described in simplest terms as...

"Keep It In The Family".
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
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Revealed: the inbreeding that ruined the Hapsburgs

Dynasty that dominated Europe for more than 500 years was undone by incest,
study finds

By Steve Connor

The Independent

Wednesday, 15 April 2009

The Hapsburg dynasty was one of the most important and influential royal
families in Europe dating back more than 500 years and producing rulers in
Austria, Hungary, Belgium, the Netherlands and the German empire. Then, in
1700, it suffered a sudden demise of its Spanish branch. Now scientists
believe they have come up with a definitive explanation.

This is NOT a NEW EXPLANATION. The inbreeding case of Carlos II of Spain
and the Habsburgs has often been discussed on SGM and SHM, over the past ten
years. -- DSH

A study of the extended family tree of the House of Hapsburg has found that
the last Spanish Hapsburg king, Charles II, was the offspring of a marriage
that was almost as genetically inbred as an incestuous relationship between
a brother and sister or parent and child.

Scientists have found that the Hapsburg fashion of marrying their relatives
to keep their dynastic heritage intact had dire consequences for subsequent
generations, which culminated in the last heir to the Spanish throne being
sickly and impotent.

Charles II of Spain was nicknamed El Hechizado – The Hexed – because people
at the time thought that his physical and mental disabilities were the
result of sorcery. Now a study into the genetics of his immediate ancestors
has found that he was so inbred that he probably suffered from at least two
inherited disorders.

Despite his deformities and severe health problems, Charles had married
twice in the hope of continuing the rule of the Hapsburgs, but he was
incapable of fathering an heir and died childless at the age of 39. He was
the last of a long line of Hapsburgs and it spelled the end for the Spanish
branch of the dynasty.

Scientists believe they can show just how inbred Charles was following a
study of more than 3,000 relatives of the Hapsburg family extending over 16
generations. The researchers found that his "inbreeding coefficient" – a
measure of the proportion of inbred genes he had inherited from his
parents – was on a par with that of the offspring of an incestuous marriage.

Professor Gonzalo Alvarez, of the University of Santiago de Compostela in
Spain, found that the Hapsburgs suffered a far higher child mortality than
the general population, even though the family was immensely wealthy and did
not experience the poverty related health problems faced by many people at
the time.

They also suffered a higher incidence of physical deformities, which were
best exemplified by the famous "Hapsburg lip", a disfiguringly prominent
lower jaw caused by an inherited medical condition called mandibular
prognathism, when the lower jaw grows faster than the upper jaw.

Charles II not only suffered an extreme version of the Hapsburg lip, his
tongue was said to be so big for his mouth that he had difficulty speaking
and drooled. He also suffered from an oversized head, intestinal upsets,
convulsions and, according to his first wife, premature ejaculation.

"He was unable to speak until the age of four, and could not walk until the
age of eight. He was short, weak and quite lean and thin. He was described
as a person showing very little interest in his surroundings," Professor
Alvarez said. "He looked like an old person when he was 30 years old,
suffering edemas [swellings] on his feet, legs, abdomen and face. During the
last years of his life he could barely stand up and suffered from
hallucinations and convulsive episodes," he said.

The medical problems of Charles II of Spain were not the random consequences
of life, but the direct result of many generations of interbreeding between
close relatives within the extended Hapsburg dynasty, according to the study
published in the online journal Plos One.

The motto of the Hapsburg dynasty – "Let others wage wars, but you, happy
Austria, shall marry" – extolled the tendency of family members to marry
within their ranks.

Charles' father, Philip IV, was the uncle of his mother, Mariana of Austria;
his great-grandfather, Philip II, was also the uncle of his
great-grandmother, Anna of Austria; and his grandmother, Maria Anna of
Austria, was simultaneously his aunt.

There were many marriages between first and third cousins within the
Hapsburg family, as well as between uncles and nieces and more remote family
members.

This meant that down the generations, with no let up on the amount of
intermarriage, the degree of genetic inbreeding gradually built up. The
founder of the Spanish dynasty, Philip I, is calculated to have an
inbreeding coefficient of 0.025, which meant that just 2.5 per cent of his
genes were likely to be identical by common descent. But 200 years and seven
generations later, the coefficient had leapt ten-fold to 0.25 in the genome
of Charles II, meaning up to one in four of his genes might have been
identical.

The medical dangers of such a high level of inbreeding is that dangerously
defective genes, which are usually recessive, can come together in one
individual and so manifest themselves as an ailment. This is why the
offspring of first-cousin marriages are at higher risk of inherited
disorders.

Professor Alvarez and his colleagues believe that Charles II suffered the
consequences of a high level of marriage between biological relatives. Nine
of the 11 marriages over 200 years that preceded his birth were
consanguineous, including two uncle-niece marriages and two first-cousin
marriages.

Professor Alvarez suggested that Charles II had inherited genes that caused
two genetic disorders. One was a hormone imbalance called pituitary hormone
deficiency, which would have affected his growth and development, and the
other was a kidney problem that led to a metabolic disorder which caused
impotence and infertility. "His muscular weakness at a young age, rickets,
haematuria [blood in the urine] and big head relative to his body size could
be attributed to this genetic disorder," he said. "In this way, we may
speculate that most of the symptoms showed by Charles II could be explained
by two genetic disorders."

<http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/revealed-the-inbreeding-that-ruined-the-hapsburgs-1668857.html>
Renia
2009-04-15 21:58:27 UTC
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Post by D. Spencer Hines
As Renia previously noted in a drive-by post.
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The Motto of the Hapsburgs could best be described in simplest terms as...
"Keep It In The Family".
Stiff lower lip, and all that.
Peter Jason
2009-04-15 22:00:09 UTC
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One can never be sure that one or more queens were not
impregnated by a lusty stable boy or a plethora of hall
porters. Maybe the inbreeding was not thorough!
Post by D. Spencer Hines
As Renia previously noted in a drive-by post.
----------------------------------------------------------------
The Motto of the Hapsburgs could best be described in
simplest terms as...
"Keep It In The Family".
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
------------------------------------------------
Revealed: the inbreeding that ruined the Hapsburgs
Dynasty that dominated Europe for more than 500 years was
undone by incest,
study finds
By Steve Connor
The Independent
Wednesday, 15 April 2009
The Hapsburg dynasty was one of the most important and
influential royal
families in Europe dating back more than 500 years and
producing rulers in
Austria, Hungary, Belgium, the Netherlands and the German
empire. Then, in
1700, it suffered a sudden demise of its Spanish branch.
Now scientists
believe they have come up with a definitive explanation.
This is NOT a NEW EXPLANATION. The inbreeding case of
Carlos II of Spain and the Habsburgs has often been
discussed on SGM and SHM, over the past ten years. -- DSH
A study of the extended family tree of the House of
Hapsburg has found that
the last Spanish Hapsburg king, Charles II, was the
offspring of a marriage
that was almost as genetically inbred as an incestuous
relationship between
a brother and sister or parent and child.
Scientists have found that the Hapsburg fashion of
marrying their relatives
to keep their dynastic heritage intact had dire
consequences for subsequent
generations, which culminated in the last heir to the
Spanish throne being
sickly and impotent.
Charles II of Spain was nicknamed El Hechizado - The
Hexed - because people
at the time thought that his physical and mental
disabilities were the
result of sorcery. Now a study into the genetics of his
immediate ancestors
has found that he was so inbred that he probably suffered
from at least two
inherited disorders.
Despite his deformities and severe health problems,
Charles had married
twice in the hope of continuing the rule of the Hapsburgs,
but he was
incapable of fathering an heir and died childless at the
age of 39. He was
the last of a long line of Hapsburgs and it spelled the
end for the Spanish
branch of the dynasty.
Scientists believe they can show just how inbred Charles
was following a
study of more than 3,000 relatives of the Hapsburg family
extending over 16
generations. The researchers found that his "inbreeding
coefficient" - a
measure of the proportion of inbred genes he had inherited
from his
parents - was on a par with that of the offspring of an
incestuous marriage.
Professor Gonzalo Alvarez, of the University of Santiago
de Compostela in
Spain, found that the Hapsburgs suffered a far higher
child mortality than
the general population, even though the family was
immensely wealthy and did
not experience the poverty related health problems faced
by many people at
the time.
They also suffered a higher incidence of physical
deformities, which were
best exemplified by the famous "Hapsburg lip", a
disfiguringly prominent
lower jaw caused by an inherited medical condition called
mandibular
prognathism, when the lower jaw grows faster than the
upper jaw.
Charles II not only suffered an extreme version of the
Hapsburg lip, his
tongue was said to be so big for his mouth that he had
difficulty speaking
and drooled. He also suffered from an oversized head,
intestinal upsets,
convulsions and, according to his first wife, premature
ejaculation.
"He was unable to speak until the age of four, and could
not walk until the
age of eight. He was short, weak and quite lean and thin.
He was described
as a person showing very little interest in his
surroundings," Professor
Alvarez said. "He looked like an old person when he was 30
years old,
suffering edemas [swellings] on his feet, legs, abdomen
and face. During the
last years of his life he could barely stand up and
suffered from
hallucinations and convulsive episodes," he said.
The medical problems of Charles II of Spain were not the
random consequences
of life, but the direct result of many generations of
interbreeding between
close relatives within the extended Hapsburg dynasty,
according to the study
published in the online journal Plos One.
The motto of the Hapsburg dynasty - "Let others wage wars,
but you, happy
Austria, shall marry" - extolled the tendency of family
members to marry
within their ranks.
Charles' father, Philip IV, was the uncle of his mother,
Mariana of Austria;
his great-grandfather, Philip II, was also the uncle of
his
great-grandmother, Anna of Austria; and his grandmother,
Maria Anna of
Austria, was simultaneously his aunt.
There were many marriages between first and third cousins
within the
Hapsburg family, as well as between uncles and nieces and
more remote family
members.
This meant that down the generations, with no let up on
the amount of
intermarriage, the degree of genetic inbreeding gradually
built up. The
founder of the Spanish dynasty, Philip I, is calculated to
have an
inbreeding coefficient of 0.025, which meant that just 2.5
per cent of his
genes were likely to be identical by common descent. But
200 years and seven
generations later, the coefficient had leapt ten-fold to
0.25 in the genome
of Charles II, meaning up to one in four of his genes
might have been
identical.
The medical dangers of such a high level of inbreeding is
that dangerously
defective genes, which are usually recessive, can come
together in one
individual and so manifest themselves as an ailment. This
is why the
offspring of first-cousin marriages are at higher risk of
inherited
disorders.
Professor Alvarez and his colleagues believe that Charles
II suffered the
consequences of a high level of marriage between
biological relatives. Nine
of the 11 marriages over 200 years that preceded his birth
were
consanguineous, including two uncle-niece marriages and
two first-cousin
marriages.
Professor Alvarez suggested that Charles II had inherited
genes that caused
two genetic disorders. One was a hormone imbalance called
pituitary hormone
deficiency, which would have affected his growth and
development, and the
other was a kidney problem that led to a metabolic
disorder which caused
impotence and infertility. "His muscular weakness at a
young age, rickets,
haematuria [blood in the urine] and big head relative to
his body size could
be attributed to this genetic disorder," he said. "In this
way, we may
speculate that most of the symptoms showed by Charles II
could be explained
by two genetic disorders."
<http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/revealed-the-inbreeding-that-ruined-the-hapsburgs-1668857.html>
Dennis
2009-04-16 04:11:06 UTC
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Post by Peter Jason
One can never be sure that one or more queens were not
impregnated by a lusty stable boy or a plethora of hall
porters. Maybe the inbreeding was not thorough!
Obviously not enough of them! Plainly they needed some new blood.
Post by Peter Jason
Post by D. Spencer Hines
The Motto of the Hapsburgs could best be described in
simplest terms as...
"Keep It In The Family".
Was Franz Josef an ancestor of Josef Fritzl? <shudder> What about
Hitler's ancestors?

Dennis
Jack Linthicum
2009-04-15 23:07:37 UTC
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Post by D. Spencer Hines
As Renia previously noted in a drive-by post.
----------------------------------------------------------------
The Motto of the Hapsburgs could best be described in simplest terms as...
"Keep It In The Family".
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
------------------------------------------------
Revealed: the inbreeding that ruined the Hapsburgs
Dynasty that dominated Europe for more than 500 years was undone by incest,
study finds
By Steve Connor
The Independent
Wednesday, 15 April 2009
The Hapsburg dynasty was one of the most important and influential royal
families in Europe dating back more than 500 years and producing rulers in
Austria, Hungary, Belgium, the Netherlands and the German empire. Then, in
1700, it suffered a sudden demise of its Spanish branch. Now scientists
believe they have come up with a definitive explanation.
This is NOT a NEW EXPLANATION.  The inbreeding case of Carlos II of Spain
and the Habsburgs has often been discussed on SGM and SHM, over the past ten
years. -- DSH
A study of the extended family tree of the House of Hapsburg has found that
the last Spanish Hapsburg king, Charles II, was the offspring of a marriage
that was almost as genetically inbred as an incestuous relationship between
a brother and sister or parent and child.
Scientists have found that the Hapsburg fashion of marrying their relatives
to keep their dynastic heritage intact had dire consequences for subsequent
generations, which culminated in the last heir to the Spanish throne being
sickly and impotent.
Charles II of Spain was nicknamed El Hechizado – The Hexed – because people
at the time thought that his physical and mental disabilities were the
result of sorcery. Now a study into the genetics of his immediate ancestors
has found that he was so inbred that he probably suffered from at least two
inherited disorders.
Despite his deformities and severe health problems, Charles had married
twice in the hope of continuing the rule of the Hapsburgs, but he was
incapable of fathering an heir and died childless at the age of 39. He was
the last of a long line of Hapsburgs and it spelled the end for the Spanish
branch of the dynasty.
Scientists believe they can show just how inbred Charles was following a
study of more than 3,000 relatives of the Hapsburg family extending over 16
generations. The researchers found that his "inbreeding coefficient" – a
measure of the proportion of inbred genes he had inherited from his
parents – was on a par with that of the offspring of an incestuous marriage.
Professor Gonzalo Alvarez, of the University of Santiago de Compostela in
Spain, found that the Hapsburgs suffered a far higher child mortality than
the general population, even though the family was immensely wealthy and did
not experience the poverty related health problems faced by many people at
the time.
They also suffered a higher incidence of physical deformities, which were
best exemplified by the famous "Hapsburg lip", a disfiguringly prominent
lower jaw caused by an inherited medical condition called mandibular
prognathism, when the lower jaw grows faster than the upper jaw.
Charles II not only suffered an extreme version of the Hapsburg lip, his
tongue was said to be so big for his mouth that he had difficulty speaking
and drooled. He also suffered from an oversized head, intestinal upsets,
convulsions and, according to his first wife, premature ejaculation.
"He was unable to speak until the age of four, and could not walk until the
age of eight. He was short, weak and quite lean and thin. He was described
as a person showing very little interest in his surroundings," Professor
Alvarez said. "He looked like an old person when he was 30 years old,
suffering edemas [swellings] on his feet, legs, abdomen and face. During the
last years of his life he could barely stand up and suffered from
hallucinations and convulsive episodes," he said.
The medical problems of Charles II of Spain were not the random consequences
of life, but the direct result of many generations of interbreeding between
close relatives within the extended Hapsburg dynasty, according to the study
published in the online journal Plos One.
The motto of the Hapsburg dynasty – "Let others wage wars, but you, happy
Austria, shall marry" – extolled the tendency of family members to marry
within their ranks.
Charles' father, Philip IV, was the uncle of his mother, Mariana of Austria;
his great-grandfather, Philip II, was also the uncle of his
great-grandmother, Anna of Austria; and his grandmother, Maria Anna of
Austria, was simultaneously his aunt.
There were many marriages between first and third cousins within the
Hapsburg family, as well as between uncles and nieces and more remote family
members.
This meant that down the generations, with no let up on the amount of
intermarriage, the degree of genetic inbreeding gradually built up. The
founder of the Spanish dynasty, Philip I, is calculated to have an
inbreeding coefficient of 0.025, which meant that just 2.5 per cent of his
genes were likely to be identical by common descent. But 200 years and seven
generations later, the coefficient had leapt ten-fold to 0.25 in the genome
of Charles II, meaning up to one in four of his genes might have been
identical.
The medical dangers of such a high level of inbreeding is that dangerously
defective genes, which are usually recessive, can come together in one
individual and so manifest themselves as an ailment. This is why the
offspring of first-cousin marriages are at higher risk of inherited
disorders.
Professor Alvarez and his colleagues believe that Charles II suffered the
consequences of a high level of marriage between biological relatives. Nine
of the 11 marriages over 200 years that preceded his birth were
consanguineous, including two uncle-niece marriages and two first-cousin
marriages.
Professor Alvarez suggested that Charles II had inherited genes that caused
two genetic disorders. One was a hormone imbalance called pituitary hormone
deficiency, which would have affected his growth and development, and the
other was a kidney problem that led to a metabolic disorder which caused
impotence and infertility. "His muscular weakness at a young age, rickets,
haematuria [blood in the urine] and big head relative to his body size could
be attributed to this genetic disorder," he said. "In this way, we may
speculate that most of the symptoms showed by Charles II could be explained
by two genetic disorders."
<http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/revealed-the-inbreeding-tha...>
Any Hapsburg geneaology that doesn't mention Juana la Loca is not
quite there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A393842
a***@hotmail.com
2009-04-16 01:32:43 UTC
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Post by D. Spencer Hines
The motto of the Hapsburg dynasty – "Let others wage wars, but you, happy
Austria, shall marry" – extolled the tendency of family members to marry
within their ranks.
Any Hapsburg geneaology that doesn't mention Juana la Loca is not
quite there.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A393842- Hide quoted text -
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Strictly speaking, she was Trastamara, not Habsburg. But she surely
contributed to the picture. And her father and mother had been
relatives so the principle was not limited to the Habsburgs.

Speaking of which, Louis XIII of France married Anna of Austria
(sister of Phillip IV of Spain) and his son, Louis XIV, married Maria
Theresa, daughter of Phillip IV and Elizabeth of Bourbon, daughter of
Louis' grandfather, Henry IV. In other words, his cousin both on
maternal and paternal sides. Good record of inbreeding for such a
young dynasty.
Dom
2009-04-17 17:22:02 UTC
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Post by D. Spencer Hines
As Renia previously noted in a drive-by post.
----------------------------------------------------------------
The Motto of the Hapsburgs could best be described in simplest terms as...
"Keep It In The Family".
--
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
------------------------------------------------
Revealed: the inbreeding that ruined the Hapsburgs
Dynasty that dominated Europe for more than 500 years was undone by incest,
study finds
By Steve Connor
The Independent
Wednesday, 15 April 2009
...
Post by D. Spencer Hines
<http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/revealed-the-inbreeding-tha...>
The Encyclopaedia Britannica article on Prince Eugene of Savoy
contains the following:

"Even as he faced a world of foes before him, he had a world of
enemies at his back, nourished by the 'hereditary curse' of Austria:
slothful souls and thoughtless minds, low intrigue, envy, jealousy,
foolishness, and dishonesty. He served three emperors: Leopold I,
Joseph I, and Charles VI. Toward the end of his life, Eugene observed
that, whereas the first had been a father to him and the second a
brother, the third (who was perhaps least worthy of so great a
servant) had been a master."

The end of the article contains the initials A.L.-Ho. In the index of
contributors, these initials correspond to Alexander Marie Norbert
Lernet-Holenia (1897-1976), a very famous Austrian writer, dramatist
and poet.
Mike Stone
2009-04-17 18:32:29 UTC
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Post by D. Spencer Hines
Revealed: the inbreeding that ruined the Hapsburgs
Dynasty that dominated Europe for more than 500 years was undone by incest,
study finds
By Steve Connor
The Independent
Wednesday, 15 April 2009
The Hapsburg dynasty was one of the most important and influential royal
families in Europe dating back more than 500 years and producing rulers in
Austria, Hungary, Belgium, the Netherlands and the German empire. Then, in
1700, it suffered a sudden demise of its Spanish branch. Now scientists
believe they have come up with a definitive explanation.
This is NOT a NEW EXPLANATION. The inbreeding case of Carlos II of Spain
and the Habsburgs has often been discussed on SGM and SHM, over the past ten
years. -- DSH
It's been discussed much further back than that.

Olivia Leigh's novel _The Cretin Wore A Crown_ (1966) described Carlos II as
a "victim of incest and ignorance", while Margaret Irwin, in _Elizabeth and
The Prince Of Spain_ (1953) made a similar observation about Philip II's
son, Don Carlos.


--

Mike Stone - Peterborough, England

"Freddie experienced the sort of abysmal soul-sadness which afflicts one of
Tolstoy's Russian peasants when, after putting in a heavy day's work
strangling his father, beating his wife, and dropping the baby in the
reservoir, he turns to the cupboard only to find the vodka bottle empty".


P G Wodehouse - Jill the Reckless
D. Spencer Hines
2009-04-17 19:10:12 UTC
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More Interesting Details & Methodologies...
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DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
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Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
From: ***@st.net.au (Ian Fettes)
Date: 1999/08/13

Subject: More Edward III and British Royal ancestry

I have been asked by several people to expand my analysis to account for all
repeated ancestors in the cases I previously reported with my calculation of
the Wright Coefficient Of Inbreeding (COI).

To do this I have created a Coefficient Of Ancestry (COA), in effect the
calculation that Bryant Smith original sought last April. It uses the same
base methodology as the COI, but counts all ancestral repetitions, not just
those common to both parents. So while it is yet another index, it does not
require another calculation method.

The results shown by the COA are more in keeping with most people's
expectations of royal ancestry. The COA should be distinguished from the
COI, as "inbreeding" has a very specific technical meaning that has created
confusion in the past.

I have run my analysis over 15 generations beyond the parents. This
represents a possible 131,068 ancestral positions. The following figures
are prepared on this basis. Note that the COI "people for" means the number
of common parental ancestors occupying the stated number of positions, and
the COA "people for" means the number of repeated ancestors occupying the
stated number of positions.

Queen Elizabeth II has a COI = 0.00% with 21 people for 145 and COA =
2.6222% with 4,192 people for 56,281.

Prince Philip has a COI = 2.2078% with 2,167 people for 101,367 and COA =
6.6678% with 3,585 people for 105,484.

Prince Charles has a COI = 6.3899% with 3,083 people for 81,156 and COA =
7.5009% with 4,095 people for 83,874.

Lady Diana Spencer had a COI = 0.0002% with 72 people for 288 and COA =
0.3436% with 2,173 people for 7,670.

Prince William has a COI = 0.0096% with 855 people for 15,013 and COA =
1.9657% with 4,248 people for 47,684.

King Edward III had a COI = 7.0461% with 1,549 people for 35,177 and COA =
8.235% with 36,793 people for 131,068. Subject to further checking on
ancestry.

Carlos II Habsburg had a COI = 66.3765% with 628 people for 38,048 and COA =
66.3794% with 726 people for 38,560.

As before, if anyone wishes to discuss any aspects of the methodology of
this information, please contact me privately.

Ian Fettes
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Replyto:***@st.net.au
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