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Could you please provide us with the currrently accepted version of the ancestry of Catherine van Gavere.
In advance, many thanks.
Of course, I meant Beatrix van Gavere.
When speaking of Warlop the correct title is Dr. Hist. E. Warlop, The Flemish Nobility before 1300, the English version (4 volumes), Kortrijk, 1976. His original doctorate was published in 1968 as De Vlaamse adel voor 1300.
Warlop (volume III nr.86 Gavere, page 803-819) follows the numbering which was given to the lords Gavere by Count G. De Liedekerke, Histoire de la Maison de Gavere et de Liedekerke, Brussels, 1957.
Beatrice x Guy of Montmorency-Laval (succeeds)
Razo VIII (1266-1300), † before 27-5-1301.
Lord of Gavre and Chièvres.
Nobilis 1266; knight 1271; butler of Flanders 1272.
X Beatrice of Longueval (1272).
Warlop errs in naming a Beatrice of Strijen (married before 1282, alive 1310) as the second wife of Razo VIII. She was the second wife of his cousin Razo (1267-1306), lord of Liedekerke, Breda, Boelare, Aspelare. HV = my input
Razo VII (1222-1253), † 4-7-1253 “battle” of Westkapelle on Walcheren.
Lord of Chièvres (1214) and Gavre (1241).
Nobilis 1243; butler of Flanders 1242; knight 1247/1248.
X Joan of Wavrin (?)(1255).
Razo (1190-1214), † 27-7-1214 battle of Bouvignes.
Knight 1204/05 (?); lord of Chièvres 1210 (and Boelare HV); nobilis 1210.
X (ca.1205 HV) Alice of Boelare,
widow of (1) Philips of Harnes (2) Gilles of Trazegnies.
Razo V (1181-1217), † bef. ..1218.
Lord of Gavere and Chièvres 1206; Liedekerke 1209; Eksaarde 1214.
Nobilis 1204; knight 1204; butler of Flanders 1210.
X (ca.1280/1) Clarissa (of Herzele?) (1290).
Razo IV (1156-1190), † bef.1190.
Lord of Gavere, of Chièvres (1186).
Knight, butler of Flanders 1171; nobilis 1180.
X Mathilda (1166), of Liedekerke ?; of Ghent ?; of Aalst ?.
Razo III (1130-1150), † 1150.
Knight, lord of Gavere.
X Eve of Chièvres
Razo II (1114-1149),† 27-6-1149.
Nobilis, butler of Flanders 1127; knight 1143.
X Elizabeth (alias Ida) (of Ghent ?)
Razo I (ca.1073-1094).
Lord of Gavere; on crusade 1096 (?).
X Catherine of Cysoing (?)
Possible father (or grandfather HV)
Razo de Gavera (1034/67)
Likely identical to a “Ratho” or “Razo” who appears in the region of Ghent from 1031/34 on; 1035/58; 1034/58